Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[TheNetsFan]

I'm going to take a break from chasing the OG, Giles, Patton train and relax on the train that will be handed to us.

All Aboard:
Semi Ojeleye
Jonah Bolden
D.J Wilson

Handles, Range, Positionless

throw devin robinson on that train too.

Choo choo!

Maybe on DJ Wilson and Patton, but I have no interest in any of the others.

If either Collins miraculously fall (unlikely), I take them. Else, I rate my wishlist as
Bigs:
1) John Collins (if he slides)
2) Pasecniks
3a) Wilson
3b) Hartenstein

G/SFs
1) Jackson
2) White
3) Ferguson
4) Hart

ND recently has a historical look at picks in the 20-30 range since the start of the one & dones (2006). There's a very low percentage chance that you get long-term starters or better, but of those that have developed into that, the majority were older and more experienced (20+, sophmore equivalent or higher). Analysts & GMs tend to overvalue youth and athleticism, and in my opinion, incorrectly overlook that a skilled player with "average" athleticism, can get a stronger or a bit quicker with NBA-level training, diet & sleep regimens. Late in the firs round, swing for singles and doubles in the form of skilled, high BBIQ players that you know at worst should be able to last in the league as a bench player, and occasionally you'll find the gem that has the work ethic and desire to develop into more.

[Prokorov]

Was talking to a friend earlier who works for the Celtics/TD Garden... He isnt some insider, he works in production for the television broadcasts but he is around mike gorman and guys and usually has an insightful perspective. We were talking about the draft and I asked him why Semi Ojeleye isnt projected higher when he looks like he could be the next Jimmy Butler... he brought up something i never considered...

He said that often scouts wont push older players later in the first round because there is a decent chance they wont be with the team after their rookie contract is up. Semi would be 26 or 27 when his rookie deal is up and if he is only a role player a team isnt super likely to give him a longterm deal for near MLE money. And appearantly it looks REALLY bad for a scout if you push for a player who the team drafts and then ends up not keeping after his rookie deal...

typically we think if the GM as the end all be all but apperantly these scouts jobs can hinge on stuff like that and they will often push younger players who are more likely to be brought back for a second contract.

if you look at the spurs, they often went with older players late. we ddid last year with levert. hopefully we do again with Semi

[TheNetsFan]

I can see that. This year is an exception, but typically teams that draft late are championship caliber. The players they draft late will often be riding the bench for the most part, and thus have a tough time earning that sizable pay day at the end of the rookie deal. That' plays into why the spurs go draft and stash so often. Rather than have guys riding the bench, they develop overseas, and don't come over until they're ready to contribute.

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[MrDollarBills]

Was talking to a friend earlier who works for the Celtics/TD Garden... He isnt some insider, he works in production for the television broadcasts but he is around mike gorman and guys and usually has an insightful perspective. We were talking about the draft and I asked him why Semi Ojeleye isnt projected higher when he looks like he could be the next Jimmy Butler... he brought up something i never considered...

He said that often scouts wont push older players later in the first round because there is a decent chance they wont be with the team after their rookie contract is up. Semi would be 26 or 27 when his rookie deal is up and if he is only a role player a team isnt super likely to give him a longterm deal for near MLE money. And appearantly it looks REALLY bad for a scout if you push for a player who the team drafts and then ends up not keeping after his rookie deal...

typically we think if the GM as the end all be all but apperantly these scouts jobs can hinge on stuff like that and they will often push younger players who are more likely to be brought back for a second contract.

if you look at the spurs, they often went with older players late. we ddid last year with levert. hopefully we do again with Semi

This post needs to be pinned to the top of the forum. great stuff Prok.

And yep, I'm with you. I have no qualms about getting a guy that is 21 years old. A basketball player imo doesn't fully reach his skill ceiling until age 25, 26. Plenty of time for development in areas of upside. Let everyone scramble for teenagers, we can get some real gems because of it.

[NyCeEvO]

I'm going to take a break from chasing the OG, Giles, Patton train and relax on the train that will be handed to us.

All Aboard:
Semi Ojeleye
Jonah Bolden
D.J Wilson

Handles, Range, Positionless

throw devin robinson on that train too.

Choo choo!

I've got Devin Robinson and Semi Ojeleye ranked higher than Bolden or Wilson. Bolden and Wilson doesn't possess the speed that is needed to truly excel as a focal point at the next level. I can see them becoming end of rotation players but not much more. I think Semi and Devin both have a chance to become pretty good players. While Semi has the higher floor IMO, Devin has the higher ceiling.

[Karate Diop]

Just wanted to say... I am PUMPED for the draft

[FlipFlopShot]

I'm going to take a break from chasing the OG, Giles, Patton train and relax on the train that will be handed to us.

All Aboard:
Semi Ojeleye
Jonah Bolden
D.J Wilson

Handles, Range, Positionless

throw devin robinson on that train too.

Choo choo!

I've got Devin Robinson and Semi Ojeleye ranked higher than Bolden or Wilson. Bolden and Wilson doesn't possess the speed that is needed to truly excel as a focal point at the next level. I can see them becoming end of rotation players but not much more. I think Semi and Devin both have a chance to become pretty good players. While Semi has the higher floor IMO, Devin has the higher ceiling.

I wasn't going to compare these second round picks among one another, but if you ask me I would actually weigh them the other way. Boldan and Wilson are bigs while Ojeleye and Robinson are wings. I am far more impressed with Boldan and Wilson skill set. Regarding potential, Boldan and Wilson can already play inside, outside and above the rim (post-up?). What they haven't shown is the ability to not get handled under the boards. While Ojeleye and Robinson are amazing physical specimens, I am left with hoping that isn't what they will only be.

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[NyCeEvO]

throw devin robinson on that train too.

Choo choo!

I've got Devin Robinson and Semi Ojeleye ranked higher than Bolden or Wilson. Bolden and Wilson doesn't possess the speed that is needed to truly excel as a focal point at the next level. I can see them becoming end of rotation players but not much more. I think Semi and Devin both have a chance to become pretty good players. While Semi has the higher floor IMO, Devin has the higher ceiling.

I wasn't going to compare these second round picks among one another, but if you ask me I would actually weigh them the other way. Boldan and Wilson are bigs while Ojeleye and Robinson are wings. I am far more impressed with Boldan and Wilson skill set. Regarding potential, Boldan and Wilson can already play inside, outside and above the rim (post-up?). What they haven't shown is the ability to not get handled under the boards. While Ojeleye and Robinson are amazing physical specimens, I am left with hoping that isn't what they will only be.

You can be very skilled but there is a minimum level of speed and athleticism that is needed in order to excel in the NBA.

Bolden and Wilson are skilled and effective in comparison to their current counterparts. IMO, their efficacy dovetails when they are faced with the speed of the NBA. There are players every year who are elite 3pt shooters, ballhandlers, and decision makers at the NCAA level but who don't perform at the NBA level because the faster pace of the NBA doesn't allow them to be as effective with their skillset as they were in college.

And conversely, there are plenty of guys who don't possess much skill at the college level but are molded into much better players in the league because they put in the time and effort to improve.

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[FlipFlopShot]

I've got Devin Robinson and Semi Ojeleye ranked higher than Bolden or Wilson. Bolden and Wilson doesn't possess the speed that is needed to truly excel as a focal point at the next level. I can see them becoming end of rotation players but not much more. I think Semi and Devin both have a chance to become pretty good players. While Semi has the higher floor IMO, Devin has the higher ceiling.

I wasn't going to compare these second round picks among one another, but if you ask me I would actually weigh them the other way. Boldan and Wilson are bigs while Ojeleye and Robinson are wings. I am far more impressed with Boldan and Wilson skill set. Regarding potential, Boldan and Wilson can already play inside, outside and above the rim (post-up?). What they haven't shown is the ability to not get handled under the boards. While Ojeleye and Robinson are amazing physical specimens, I am left with hoping that isn't what they will only be.

You can be very skilled but there is a minimum level of speed and athleticism that is needed in order to excel in the NBA.

Bolden and Wilson are skilled and effective in comparison to their current counterparts. IMO, their efficacy dovetails when they are faced with the speed of the NBA. There are players every year who are elite 3pt shooters, ballhandlers, and decision makers at the NCAA level but who don't perform at the NBA level because the faster pace of the NBA doesn't allow them to be as effective with their skillset as they were in college.

And conversely, there are plenty of guys who don't possess much skill at the college level but are molded into much better players in the league because they put in the time and effort to improve.

Same can be said for athletic brute guys. My point is they are already exceptionally nimble quick and their athleticism shouldn't be snuffed at either. Especially when I see Wilson playing the 5 and Bolden playing the 4. For wing players, both Robinson and Ojeleye are extremely limited by their handling and shot creating. But I feel you. Rather it's their age or weaknesses, all of these guys are going to be draft late for a reason. I'm just glad we have second and three options to discuss.

[Prokorov]

throw devin robinson on that train too.

Choo choo!

I've got Devin Robinson and Semi Ojeleye ranked higher than Bolden or Wilson. Bolden and Wilson doesn't possess the speed that is needed to truly excel as a focal point at the next level. I can see them becoming end of rotation players but not much more. I think Semi and Devin both have a chance to become pretty good players. While Semi has the higher floor IMO, Devin has the higher ceiling.

I wasn't going to compare these second round picks among one another, but if you ask me I would actually weigh them the other way. Boldan and Wilson are bigs while Ojeleye and Robinson are wings. I am far more impressed with Boldan and Wilson skill set. Regarding potential, Boldan and Wilson can already play inside, outside and above the rim (post-up?). What they haven't shown is the ability to not get handled under the boards. While Ojeleye and Robinson are amazing physical specimens, I am left with hoping that isn't what they will only be.

Semi shot 45% from three ono high volume and led the NCAA in pick and pop FG%. calling him athlete and hoping he is nothing more ignores he is an extremely skilled player and dead eye shooter. also, he can probably play PF in the NBA, he is a big dude.

[MrDollarBills]

I think if we come away with one of the bigs and Semi, that will be a solid draft. The more I look at Semi, the more I see a guy that fits right in with LeVert and RHJ.

[NyCeEvO]

Let's not forget about Dwayne Bacon. He's a guy who already has a very diverse set of skills and decent athleticism. I think he can improve both at the next level and become a very good player with the right development team.

[Keith Van Horn]

Let's not forget about Dwayne Bacon. He's a guy who already has a very diverse set of skills and decent athleticism. I think he can improve both at the next level and become a very good player with the right development team.

I like him too. If we land the Latvian big and Bacon, I'd be psyched. Also would really be looking forward to watching summer league with them, Whitehead, and Levert.

[Rockice_24]

OG just became a real possibility. Rumors out there he may miss most if not all of next season. This could be another Levert situation and if he's there we have to take him. He is everything you want in a PF. This would be the steal of the draft if we could land him.

[FlipFlopShot]

I've got Devin Robinson and Semi Ojeleye ranked higher than Bolden or Wilson. Bolden and Wilson doesn't possess the speed that is needed to truly excel as a focal point at the next level. I can see them becoming end of rotation players but not much more. I think Semi and Devin both have a chance to become pretty good players. While Semi has the higher floor IMO, Devin has the higher ceiling.

I wasn't going to compare these second round picks among one another, but if you ask me I would actually weigh them the other way. Boldan and Wilson are bigs while Ojeleye and Robinson are wings. I am far more impressed with Boldan and Wilson skill set. Regarding potential, Boldan and Wilson can already play inside, outside and above the rim (post-up?). What they haven't shown is the ability to not get handled under the boards. While Ojeleye and Robinson are amazing physical specimens, I am left with hoping that isn't what they will only be.

Semi shot 45% from three ono high volume and led the NCAA in pick and pop FG%. calling him athlete and hoping he is nothing more ignores he is an extremely skilled player and dead eye shooter. also, he can probably play PF in the NBA, he is a big dude.

You got me. That is what I already expect from a good wing prospect.

[shakendfries]

Semi Ojeleye, SMU

Every team has been looking for its Draymond Green, the super athletic, versatile forward that does a little bit of everything with a little bit of an edge. It is almost as if the league is overcorrecting to find this player. Teams are willing to take a risk on a player banking on his versatility.

Semi Ojeleye might be the exception. Or, at least, he is this year’s annual next Draymond Green winner. Ojeleye averaged 18.9 points per game and 6.8 rebounds per game while shooting 42.4 percent from beyond the arc. He has all the physical tools and athleticism to become a strong defender, although he was confined to the zone defense SMU typically employs.

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Ojeleye, at 6-foot-8, 230 pounds, seems to have the physical makeup and the athleticism and offensive skill to fill that versatile power forward role. He just has to prove he can do it at a high level after transferring from Duke to go to SMU last year. Then again, everyone doubted Green.

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[NyCeEvO]

Let's not forget about Dwayne Bacon. He's a guy who already has a very diverse set of skills and decent athleticism. I think he can improve both at the next level and become a very good player with the right development team.

I like him too. If we land the Latvian big and Bacon, I'd be psyched. Also would really be looking forward to watching summer league with them, Whitehead, and Levert.

Yeah, I'd be all in on that.

I'm kinda hoping that the Nets find a way to get a 3rd overall pick, because there are so many players who I believe can become very good players once our team has a chance to develop them.