kingjawn100 wrote:Yeah we're most likely not making the playoffs anyway next year. With the glut of big men in next year's draft we really should draft 2 guards this year
City of Trees wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:Yeah we're most likely not making the playoffs anyway next year. With the glut of big men in next year's draft we really should draft 2 guards this year
I'm rooting for Michael Porter Jr. being a King!!! If not I can settle on Bridges. I think if the Kings are top5-7 Bridges is a real possibility.
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kingjawn100 wrote:Question...highly unlikely but if the draft plays out...
1.FULTZ (BOS)
2. BALL (LAL)
3.JACKSON (PHI)
4. TATUM (PHX)
5. FOX (SAC)
6.ISSAC (ORL)
7.MARKKANEN (MIN)
8. MONK (NYK)
9. NTILIKINA (DAL)....
would the kings pick Dennis Smith Jr at 10?
I know logic says we address our 2 biggest needs (PG, SF) with those picks and that 2 point guards doesn't make sense but there's such a huge talent gap between DSJ and anyone else left in the draft at that point. IMO drafting a starting PG and 1st man off the bench isn't the worst thing in the world (or a small ball starting backcourt).
With some of the personality/attitude red flags that DSJ has (plus the medical stuff), he seems like the prospect projected in the top 10 most likely to slide come draft night.
rpa wrote:GritAndMind wrote:What would be the point of drafting Z Collins #10 (latest DX mock) w/WCS, Koufos, Skal and that highly questionable pick of Papadapolous @ #13 last year? Only thing worse than that is drafting a 7 footer with even more question marks like Giles.
Hopefully the Kings can get a real potential, non-7 footer difference maker at #10 like Ntilikina or Mitchell or someone like that.
Totally agree. Worse still is how the 2018 draft looks great for bigs right now (though wing is the 2nd most stocked in the draft). There's also the problem that Papagiannis and Collins are supposed to be similar types of players if they develop: stretch bigs who can defend.
If forced to make an argument for Collins (or Markkanen) it would be that the Kings are in no position to be drafting for fit. They should be taking BPA. Based on a lot of feedback it looks like this draft is 10 or 11 deep before a big drop and that the back end of that 10 or 11 are bigs. So you take BPA and you sort it out later. Trade Koufos and you're left with 4 bigs to develop. Spread over 96 minutes and you've got 24 each. You could also send at least one of them (probably Collins and/or Papagiannis) to the D-League as well.
VeganKingsFan wrote:Breaking news: Sacramento Kings trade Willie Cauley-Stein for Evan Turner and and the 15th, 20th and 26th picks in the 2017 NBA draft, according to sources. The Trailblazers are happy to have unloaded the albatross contract of Turner while acquiring a young big who can help them win now while growing with the young team. The Kings may look to package some picks to move up, but they are said to be content with filling the roster with young talent. Kosta Koufos is said to be on the trade block.
KF10 wrote:VeganKingsFan wrote:Breaking news: Sacramento Kings trade Willie Cauley-Stein for Evan Turner and and the 15th, 20th and 26th picks in the 2017 NBA draft, according to sources. The Trailblazers are happy to have unloaded the albatross contract of Turner while acquiring a young big who can help them win now while growing with the young team. The Kings may look to package some picks to move up, but they are said to be content with filling the roster with young talent. Kosta Koufos is said to be on the trade block.
Source?
VeganKingsFan wrote:KF10 wrote:VeganKingsFan wrote:Breaking news: Sacramento Kings trade Willie Cauley-Stein for Evan Turner and and the 15th, 20th and 26th picks in the 2017 NBA draft, according to sources. The Trailblazers are happy to have unloaded the albatross contract of Turner while acquiring a young big who can help them win now while growing with the young team. The Kings may look to package some picks to move up, but they are said to be content with filling the roster with young talent. Kosta Koufos is said to be on the trade block.
Source?
Don't tell me you thought that was real lol
GritAndMind wrote:Still, I am not sure he or any other big would be a good move at all. And I have little faith in the front office to move around draft positions with #5 & #10 after recent draft history. (They were lucky to find Skal there at #28 after trading so far down and away from the #8 pick they had in 2016).
I'd still love any of D Smith, Ntilikina or Mitchell at #10 way more.
rpa wrote:GritAndMind wrote:Still, I am not sure he or any other big would be a good move at all. And I have little faith in the front office to move around draft positions with #5 & #10 after recent draft history. (They were lucky to find Skal there at #28 after trading so far down and away from the #8 pick they had in 2016).
I'd still love any of D Smith, Ntilikina or Mitchell at #10 way more.
A lot of us were/are convinced that they made the trade last year for Bogdan more than anything else.
Assuming the Kings get Fox at 5 I'd be a little worried grabbing Smith at 10 as it creates a similar problem as taking Collins: you have multiple young players and only so many minutes. I mean, consider that DSJ--at his size--can ONLY play the one. Then consider that Fox would be undersized at SG (and the lack of shooting is a problem). So while DSJ would unequivocally be BPA at 10 he almost certainly stunts the growth of your pick at 5 because they can't play together (conversely you could argue that Collins could play PF for stretches next to WCS or Papagiannis).
Mitchell or Ntilikina I wouldn't have much of a problem with because of their defensive upside. Having a hounding wing player in the vein of Beverley, Tony Allen, or Avery Bradley is super valuable. Even more valuable if that player can hit 3s (both can) and/or be a secondary ball handler (both can).
That said, I don't see a scenario where DSJ drops all the way to 10. He's got too much upside for BOTH the Mavs and Knicks (or the Magic and maybe T'Wolves for that matter) to pass on.
VeganKingsFan wrote:GritAndMind wrote:What would be the point of drafting Z Collins #10 (latest DX mock) w/WCS, Koufos, Skal and that highly questionable pick of Papadapolous @ #13 last year? Only thing worse than that is drafting a 7 footer with even more question marks like Giles.
Hopefully the Kings can get a real potential, non-7 footer difference maker at #10 like Ntilikina or Mitchell or someone like that.
Koufos isn't part of our plans and is likely to be traded. You just called Papagiannis a highly questionable pick. So a 3 big rotation of Skal, Cauley-Stein and Zach Collins sounds great to me. If the team does their homework and sees Zach Collins as the BPA, there's no reason they shouldn't take him. Remember when we skipped on Damian Lillard because "we have a point guard..." Collins would fit great alongside Skal or Willie because of his versatile defense, rim protection, rebounding, and shooting abilities. If we are lucky enough that Skal, Willie, Papa G and Collins all become superstars that need the minutes (extremely unlikely), then we have the best problem in the world where we have to trade one of them for a bunch of assets.
kingjawn100 wrote:Yeah be careful of the reporters who push these rumors this time of the year. Schultz's track record is shaky at best. Guys like him report something that has an outside chance to be true. Then whether it ends up happening or not they'll gain hundreds more followers by doing this.
Similar to the guy on this forum claiming to have 'sources' and pretending to be an insider. Insiders don't sit on message boards all day reporting rumors things they've heard from actual league sources. Kind of sad that anyone needs message board fame to feel validated but i digress...
I know it's the safe approach but if we stay at 5 & 10 and take Tatum at 5 and best available at 10 you cant really fault the Kings. Tatum is for some reason the most underrated guy in the top 10 right now. People talk like an isolation player cant help a team win. I saw the cavs use iso ball (mostly) to get them to the finals. People are really overthinking Tatum. The point of basketball is to score...he is the best or 2nd best projected scorer in the draft.
dozencousins wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:Yeah be careful of the reporters who push these rumors this time of the year. Schultz's track record is shaky at best. Guys like him report something that has an outside chance to be true. Then whether it ends up happening or not they'll gain hundreds more followers by doing this.
Similar to the guy on this forum claiming to have 'sources' and pretending to be an insider. Insiders don't sit on message boards all day reporting rumors things they've heard from actual league sources. Kind of sad that anyone needs message board fame to feel validated but i digress...
I know it's the safe approach but if we stay at 5 & 10 and take Tatum at 5 and best available at 10 you cant really fault the Kings. Tatum is for some reason the most underrated guy in the top 10 right now. People talk like an isolation player cant help a team win. I saw the cavs use iso ball (mostly) to get them to the finals. People are really overthinking Tatum. The point of basketball is to score...he is the best or 2nd best projected scorer in the draft.
You should know your facts and the person itself before you claim a pretend source on this thread . I always provide legit info and if you want to doubt me fine . To go off and say I am not legit directly is pathetic when you don't know the facts .
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:dozencousins wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:Yeah be careful of the reporters who push these rumors this time of the year. Schultz's track record is shaky at best. Guys like him report something that has an outside chance to be true. Then whether it ends up happening or not they'll gain hundreds more followers by doing this.
Similar to the guy on this forum claiming to have 'sources' and pretending to be an insider. Insiders don't sit on message boards all day reporting rumors things they've heard from actual league sources. Kind of sad that anyone needs message board fame to feel validated but i digress...
I know it's the safe approach but if we stay at 5 & 10 and take Tatum at 5 and best available at 10 you cant really fault the Kings. Tatum is for some reason the most underrated guy in the top 10 right now. People talk like an isolation player cant help a team win. I saw the cavs use iso ball (mostly) to get them to the finals. People are really overthinking Tatum. The point of basketball is to score...he is the best or 2nd best projected scorer in the draft.
You should know your facts and the person itself before you claim a pretend source on this thread . I always provide legit info and if you want to doubt me fine . To go off and say I am not legit directly is pathetic when you don't know the facts .
When are you going to give up? If people question you just ignore them. I don't believe you know anything more than any of us or that is out there on the internet. A lot of what you post is opinion and that is fine. Just post what you want and stop getting offended by what other people think.
dozencousins wrote:PetrieUnderstudy wrote:dozencousins wrote:
You should know your facts and the person itself before you claim a pretend source on this thread . I always provide legit info and if you want to doubt me fine . To go off and say I am not legit directly is pathetic when you don't know the facts .
When are you going to give up? If people question you just ignore them. I don't believe you know anything more than any of us or that is out there on the internet. A lot of what you post is opinion and that is fine. Just post what you want and stop getting offended by what other people think.
Doubting me as you do does not bother me . It is offensive when somebody speaks as if they know I don't have a source .
I don't claim to know anymore than anyone else . I don't care if I do or don't at all . If I felt I did though I would in most cases keep that to myself as I do not come here for nonsense .
I see posts were I think an opinion etc. makes no sense etc. but I keep all that to myself as to me it is childish to make statements that are in bad taste . I cannot claim to be perfect about that but I really try .
I will say things I post about rumors trade & draft are not made up . These are things I know for a fact . As all rumors , talks between teams etc. most all of what is talked about does not end up happening . That does not make me out to be a liar at all .
I have been proven correct a number of times . Most rumors I post won't happen as 99.5 % or higher of all rumors true rumors or not do not happen . Their is no way I or anyone else can be right all the time . Woj as everyone knows is the most reliable and accurate reporter about the NBA more than anyone . I don't claim to be anywhere's close to his level . I have 1 source he has tons of sources.
My recent reports of rumors are true . Yes some info I Provide is already known about or has been released however I have provided information many of times that has not been reported or was reported after I posted information here .
dozencousins wrote:PetrieUnderstudy wrote:dozencousins wrote:
You should know your facts and the person itself before you claim a pretend source on this thread . I always provide legit info and if you want to doubt me fine . To go off and say I am not legit directly is pathetic when you don't know the facts .
When are you going to give up? If people question you just ignore them. I don't believe you know anything more than any of us or that is out there on the internet. A lot of what you post is opinion and that is fine. Just post what you want and stop getting offended by what other people think.
Doubting me as you do does not bother me . It is offensive when somebody speaks as if they know I don't have a source .
I don't claim to know anymore than anyone else . I don't care if I do or don't at all . If I felt I did though I would in most cases keep that to myself as I do not come here for nonsense .
I see posts were I think an opinion etc. makes no sense etc. but I keep all that to myself as to me it is childish to make statements that are in bad taste . I cannot claim to be perfect about that but I really try .
I will say things I post about rumors trade & draft are not made up . These are things I know for a fact . As all rumors , talks between teams etc. most all of what is talked about does not end up happening . That does not make me out to be a liar at all .
I have been proven correct a number of times . Most rumors I post won't happen as 99.5 % or higher of all rumors true rumors or not do not happen . Their is no way I or anyone else can be right all the time . Woj as everyone knows is the most reliable and accurate reporter about the NBA more than anyone . I don't claim to be anywhere's close to his level . I have 1 source he has tons of sources.
My recent reports of rumors are true . Yes some info I Provide is already known about or has been released however I have provided information many of times that has not been reported or was reported after I posted information here .
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:VeganKingsFan wrote:GritAndMind wrote:What would be the point of drafting Z Collins #10 (latest DX mock) w/WCS, Koufos, Skal and that highly questionable pick of Papadapolous @ #13 last year? Only thing worse than that is drafting a 7 footer with even more question marks like Giles.
Hopefully the Kings can get a real potential, non-7 footer difference maker at #10 like Ntilikina or Mitchell or someone like that.
Koufos isn't part of our plans and is likely to be traded. You just called Papagiannis a highly questionable pick. So a 3 big rotation of Skal, Cauley-Stein and Zach Collins sounds great to me. If the team does their homework and sees Zach Collins as the BPA, there's no reason they shouldn't take him. Remember when we skipped on Damian Lillard because "we have a point guard..." Collins would fit great alongside Skal or Willie because of his versatile defense, rim protection, rebounding, and shooting abilities. If we are lucky enough that Skal, Willie, Papa G and Collins all become superstars that need the minutes (extremely unlikely), then we have the best problem in the world where we have to trade one of them for a bunch of assets.
We didn't skip on Lillard because we had a point guard, we passed on him because the player at one time predicted to go #1 (Thomas Robinson) dropped to #5. For those there to witness it they said Lillard had the best workout ever and made nearly every shot and they were prepared to draft him then Robinson drops and they chose him instead. Following year they were prepared to draft CJ McCollum at #7 and one time predicted #1 Ben McLemore drops. I wonder if they ever thought "Hmm I wonder why these other teams are passing on this guy?" Bad drafting has put this team in the position they're in and it's not like they've drafted guys that were good just not as good as others they could've drafted. We're talking non-NBA players selected versus All-Stars. This draft is huge, can't miss on these picks this year.
