John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[payitforward]

So confusing. I'm so confused that you are confused by this. I saw you being confused, and wanted to let you know, that you are confusing me with your confusion.

I refuse confusion. I diffuse confusion. But for you blood breather, I infuse confusion & just plain call it fusion.

You with me in collusion? You think it's all illusion? Some other dumb delusion. Just plain come to no conclusion? Or count on race-based exclusion?

No I meant race-based collision. You know that's not my vision, so lets have no derision -- it's time to make our decision.

Before the dry up the ocean or it suffers some corrosion or you maybe take a notion to drink that other potion.

So here's my contribution. You can keep your retribution. Just give me global distribution.

That's all I ask you for. But wait there's something more. I want you to learn the score. Then open up the door. For the young ones & before. You head to the store. Won't you stop me I implore?

(I could go on forever of course -- but... Anyway, anyone who wants can use it)

Your style of rhyming is ancient like Aztecs and Myans....

Those are not the Mayans; those are the Your'uns.

[cdouglas]

Better enjoy him while we can because if the Wiz don't put together a championship team soon, Wall is outta here. Can see him joining Cousins and Davis in Louisiana.

[cdouglas]

Congratulations to John Wall for getting all NBA 3rd team. Curry was the All NBA PG and Isiah got second.

The honest truth is John Wall is a better PG than Isaiah Thomas and if the NBA didn't get all crazy about the 3 pointers, he would be better than Curry.

[deneem4]

Better enjoy him while we can because if the Wiz don't put together a championship team soon, Wall is outta here. Can see him joining Cousins and Davis in Louisiana.

I honestly wouldnt be mad if he did that...thats one hell of a tandum for a passing point guard...

Wouldnt be suprised if chris paul goes back this summer...
Sorta like pulling a lebron lol...
Ad and cousins is his love and irving

[Rafael122]

Better enjoy him while we can because if the Wiz don't put together a championship team soon, Wall is outta here. Can see him joining Cousins and Davis in Louisiana.

Or DMC comes here. Wall arguably has a better shot at the conference finals staying here than he would out West.

[payitforward]

Congratulations to John Wall for getting all NBA 3rd team. Curry was the All NBA PG and Isiah got second.

The honest truth is John Wall is a better PG than Isaiah Thomas and if the NBA didn't get all crazy about the 3 pointers, he would be better than Curry.

The honest truth, cdouglas, is that you are a wizards fan! Which is great -- but, whatever are you saying about Curry? That if he wasn't allowed to shoot 3 pointers he wouldn't be as good? That's what you're saying?

Here are 3 point guards last year, A, B & C. They all played a lot, & they all got more or less the same # of assists, they all scored a lot of points, & their teams all had pretty similar records:

A had a TS% of just over 62%. Per 48 minutes, he got 6.9 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.
B had a TS% a bit over 56%. Per 48 minutes, he got 9.7 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.
C had a TS% of just over 55.%. Per 48 minutes, he got 2.8 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.

Cdouglas -- based just on these numbers how would you rank these 3? You are certainly free to say that this simple set of numbers could never tell the full story, & I'd agree 100%, but obviously the numbers tell you something!

I used the combo stat as a way of obscuring who the guys are. Not saying who they are. One of them might be John Wall, one of them might be Isaiah Thomas, but it might not be that either of them is included.

So cdouglas -- with whatever caveats you like -- off of these numbers who is better? Or, who was better -- on the 1 season.

[Dat2U]

Congratulations to John Wall for getting all NBA 3rd team. Curry was the All NBA PG and Isiah got second.

The honest truth is John Wall is a better PG than Isaiah Thomas and if the NBA didn't get all crazy about the 3 pointers, he would be better than Curry.

The honest truth, cdouglas, is that you are a wizards fan! Which is great -- but, whatever are you saying about Curry? That if he wasn't allowed to shoot 3 pointers he wouldn't be as good? That's what you're saying?

Here are 3 point guards last year, A, B & C. They all played a lot, & they all got more or less the same # of assists, they all scored a lot of points, & their teams all had pretty similar records:

A had a TS% of just over 62%. Per 48 minutes, he got 6.9 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.
B had a TS% a bit over 56%. Per 48 minutes, he got 9.7 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.
C had a TS% of just over 55.%. Per 48 minutes, he got 2.8 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.

Cdouglas -- based just on these numbers how would you rank these 3? You are certainly free to say that this simple set of numbers could never tell the full story, & I'd agree 100%, but obviously the numbers tell you something!

I used the combo stat as a way of obscuring who the guys are. Not saying who they are. One of them might be John Wall, one of them might be Isaiah Thomas, but it might not be that either of them is included.

So cdouglas -- with whatever caveats you like -- off of these numbers who is better? Or, who was better -- on the 1 season.

In order to judge these lads fairly, wouldn't a defensive component need to be added into the equation? You would admit that 50% of the game is played on the defensive end, right?

[NatP4]

Curry was 14th among point guards in DRPM. Wall was 58th. That's your favorite stat Dat

[NatP4]

Wall certainly has the talent on any given night to play like the best point guard in the NBA. He struggles with focus and attention to detail, veteran players in the past and a non "players coach" kept him accountable in the past, the team we have no does not.

Signing veteran leaders in the offseason can have a huge impact on Wall going forward.

Rewatch wall vs Atlanta game 6 and then rewatch wall vs Boston games 1-7, it's all mental with him.

*remembers Truths "have to decide if you wanna be good or great" interview about Wall/Beal/Porter.*

[CobraCommander]

Almost fell for it...but remembering not to respond to the trolls....

[payitforward]

The honest truth is John Wall is a better PG than Isaiah Thomas and if the NBA didn't get all crazy about the 3 pointers, he would be better than Curry.

The honest truth, cdouglas, is that you are a wizards fan! Which is great -- but, whatever are you saying about Curry? That if he wasn't allowed to shoot 3 pointers he wouldn't be as good? That's what you're saying?

Here are 3 point guards last year, A, B & C. They all played a lot, & they all got more or less the same # of assists, they all scored a lot of points, & their teams all had pretty similar records:

A had a TS% of just over 62%. Per 48 minutes, he got 6.9 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.
B had a TS% a bit over 56%. Per 48 minutes, he got 9.7 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.
C had a TS% of just over 55.%. Per 48 minutes, he got 2.8 more combined rebounds & steals than turnovers.

Cdouglas -- based just on these numbers how would you rank these 3? You are certainly free to say that this simple set of numbers could never tell the full story, & I'd agree 100%, but obviously the numbers tell you something!

I used the combo stat as a way of obscuring who the guys are. Not saying who they are. One of them might be John Wall, one of them might be Isaiah Thomas, but it might not be that either of them is included.

So cdouglas -- with whatever caveats you like -- off of these numbers who is better? Or, who was better -- on the 1 season.

In order to judge these lads fairly, wouldn't a defensive component need to be added into the equation? You would admit that 50% of the game is played on the defensive end, right?

Certainly!! Which is why I made sure to bring up the fact that these numbers "could never tell the full story." Even my "combo stat" (rebounds plus steals minus turnovers) has the defect of not distinguishing between offensive & defensive rebounds.

But, as I say, these numbers do tell us something. & my real point is maybe a little different: I'm sure cdouglas won't take the risk of responding to my question. He'll need to know the names to know who's better.

Why? Because, obviously, if John Wall happened to be on the list, he might happen to rank him differently without names attached than he would if they were attached. & if so, he'd be revealing the fact that being part of the team he follows figures into his assessment of John Wall.

Would there be a reasonable way to add defense to my puzzle?

[payitforward]

Curry was 14th among point guards in DRPM. Wall was 58th. That's your favorite stat Dat

Please provide a link.

[NatP4]

Curry was 14th among point guards in DRPM. Wall was 58th. That's your favorite stat Dat

Please provide a link.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Looks like curry slipped to 18th during playoffs.

[DCZards]

Curry was 14th among point guards in DRPM. Wall was 58th. That's your favorite stat Dat

Please provide a link.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Looks like curry slipped to 18th during playoffs.

Any list that has Jose Calderon ranked higher defensively than JWall is suspect. There are probably 15-20 players ahead of Wall on this list who aren't better defenders than him.

[Kanyewest]

Please provide a link.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Looks like curry slipped to 18th during playoffs.

Any list that has Jose Calderon ranked higher defensively than JWall is suspect. There are probably 15-20 players ahead of Wall on this list who aren't better defenders than him.

I believe it must be that weird game where the Hawks went on that crazy run in the 2nd quarter when Calderon was in the game.

Anyways, I think Wall's defense instantly improves once/if the Wizards get a quality backup point guard, and Wall plays less so that he can play both ends of the floor. Although it seems like a long shot this offseason.

[CobraCommander]

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Looks like curry slipped to 18th during playoffs.

Any list that has Jose Calderon ranked higher defensively than JWall is suspect. There are probably 15-20 players ahead of Wall on this list who aren't better defenders than him.

I believe it must be that weird game where the Hawks went on that crazy run in the 2nd quarter when Calderon was in the game.

Anyways, I think Wall's defense instantly improves once/if the Wizards get a quality backup point guard, and Wall plays less so that he can play both ends of the floor. Although it seems like a long shot this offseason.

You think these stats actually prove who is the better defender? No - the list is flawed because its tough to prove who is a better defender- Ill take JW over damn near any of the guards in the league on defense. Wall would be significantly better on defense if he had a center that is a rim protector AND and the wiz had a back up point that can play legitimate minutes----plus if he didn't have to carry the offense sooooo much- It's about stamina

[Kanyewest]

Any list that has Jose Calderon ranked higher defensively than JWall is suspect. There are probably 15-20 players ahead of Wall on this list who aren't better defenders than him.

I believe it must be that weird game where the Hawks went on that crazy run in the 2nd quarter when Calderon was in the game.

Anyways, I think Wall's defense instantly improves once/if the Wizards get a quality backup point guard, and Wall plays less so that he can play both ends of the floor. Although it seems like a long shot this offseason.

You think these stats actually prove who is the better defender? No - the list is flawed because its tough to prove who is a better defender- Ill take JW over damn near any of the guards in the league on defense. Wall would be significantly better on defense if he had a center that is a rim protector AND and the wiz had a back up point that can play legitimate minutes----plus if he didn't have to carry the offense sooooo much- It's about stamina

Getting a quality backup will improve Wall's ability to play defense since he would be playing fewer minutes per game. I agree it is a stamina issue. I think his defense would have been better had he not played the entire second half.

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[deneem4]

When beal realizes he should be one of the best shooting guards of all time (and Otto can be one of the most efficient shooters ) vs trying to be the best guard/shooter on the team..wall will be seen as the best guard in the league....

[nate33]

Better enjoy him while we can because if the Wiz don't put together a championship team soon, Wall is outta here. Can see him joining Cousins and Davis in Louisiana.

New Orleans will never be in position to add a max free agent to that roster while also paying a max contract to Davis and a supermax contract to Cousins. Also, Wall would be walking away from a supermax contract here to take less money in New Orleans. And that team STILL wouldn't have any shooting.

[CobraCommander]

Or a chance to win .... that team would be built on a dinosaur mentality of twin towers and a traditional point guard ... but no shooting. Wall better suited waiting for Cousins here and hoping Beal takes another step forward...just so they can get run by GSWs super team if they can get by Lebron,Kyrie,PG and Melo


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