2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[bwgood77]

Lakers 2018:

Ball, Wade, George, Carmelo, LeBron

Too many primary ball handlers. Too old and young. Likely too expensive. Still wouldn't beat GS unless GS has an injury or two. Up-coming teams like Utah, Portland and Denver might be tough to beat as well.

[bwgood77]

OK. Assume we draft Tatum.

DEN In: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18
DEN Out: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13

PHX In: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13
PHX Out: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18

What say ye?

[Livingston]/Ulis/Nelson
Booker/Harris/(Knight)
Tatum/Barton/DJJ
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
(Chandler)/Williams/[Collins, Allen, Patton]

I don't think they would trade Harris AND #13. Maybe Bledsoe and 32 or perhaps 54 for #13, Nelson, Will Barton and Arthur, but that might be too many players on our roster unless we let a center go and trade Knight

[TeamTragic]

OK. Assume we draft Tatum.

DEN In: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18
DEN Out: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13

PHX In: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13
PHX Out: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18

What say ye?

[Livingston]/Ulis/Nelson
Booker/Harris/(Knight)
Tatum/Barton/DJJ
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
(Chandler)/Williams/[Collins, Allen, Patton]

Warren/Bledsoe for #13? No thanks. Horrible trade.

[Saberestar]

OK. Assume we draft Tatum.

DEN In: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18
DEN Out: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13

PHX In: Gary Harris, Jameer Nelson, Will Barton, #13
PHX Out: TJ Warren, Eric Bledsoe, #53, TOR 2d '18

What say ye?

[Livingston]/Ulis/Nelson
Booker/Harris/(Knight)
Tatum/Barton/DJJ
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
(Chandler)/Williams/[Collins, Allen, Patton]

No.Please...no.

[Qwigglez]

If we draft Tatum I actually don't want us to trade anyone. I'd even be fine signing Millsap. We could definitely compete for the 8th seed with that roster.
Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Millsap/Chriss
Ulis/Knight/Tatum/Bender/Chandler

[Zelaznyrules]

Lakers 2018:

Ball, Wade, George, Carmelo, LeBron

and they won't win

Lebron wants to win again - call the Pacres about Love for George

Suns for Knight/Chandler for my deal - I think they would handle the Warriors a lot better

And if Paul George goes the way of Bosh and Love when he's put next to Lebron? Bosh saw his PER drop from 25 his last year in Toronto to 19 when he joined Lebron in Miami. Love saw his PER drop from 27 to 19 when he moved to Cleveland. With a PER of 20, George might fall to replacement level or below if he has to spend the winters near the Cuyahoga.

[Zelaznyrules]

If we draft Tatum I actually don't want us to trade anyone. I'd even be fine signing Millsap. We could definitely compete for the 8th seed with that roster.
Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Millsap/Chriss
Ulis/Knight/Tatum/Bender/Chandler

We could compete for the 8th spot even without drafting Tatum or anyone else, all it would take is a little health and maybe a return to sanity on the part of Brandon Knight. Each of our last 3 seasons has been sabotaged by unhappy players (Goran, Morris and Brandon) and significant injuries.

I don't know that we'd make the playoffs but we have enough talent to be in the running right now. But not if we play any of the young players more minutes than their performance warrants like we did last year with Chriss. It's tough to speed the development of even one young player if winning is your immediate goal, with two or more it becomes even more of a challenge. So I vote no on making winning a priority.

[BobbieL]

If we draft Tatum I actually don't want us to trade anyone. I'd even be fine signing Millsap. We could definitely compete for the 8th seed with that roster.
Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Millsap/Chriss
Ulis/Knight/Tatum/Bender/Chandler

I agree about not trading Bledsoe just to dump Bledsoe. I am only trading Bledsoe if I can get Ball. He seems like a unique difference maker. D'Aaron Fox could be a difference maker or Anthony Daniels one year wonder. I guess so could Ball

Suns need to start winning and I am not sure Fox or Smith at PG are better than Eric Bledsoe for the next 5-7 years. Now, Ball is a different story to me

So, my two choices are Ball and trade Bledsoe or JJ and keep Bledsoe. If you miss on Ball and JJ and the Kings want to give you 5/10 for 4 - I probably do that but still keep Bledsoe. Or I might ask for a future first rounder

[Kerrsed]

I still think we need to do something to address our C spot. Im cool with the rest of our line-up post draft. I just dont see Chandler or Len being our future at C, and for as big of a Big Sauce fan as i am, i dont think he is starter quality and is better suited bringing it off the bench in spurts.

I would love to somehow score Jordan, and who knows, the Clippers have to do SOMETHING, as just sticking with the status quo hasnt been getting the job done. So here is my Jordan to the Suns (while also forming the start of the Superfriends squad in LA) idea:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y92m5jbr

Bulls In: Bledsoe/Lee/Kuzminskas
Bulls Out: Wade
Chicago turns old man Wade into Bledsoe to run the point. Gives them a great defensive backcourt with Bledsoe/Lee/Butler.

Clippers In: Wade/Melo/Chandler
Clippers Out: Griffin/Jordan/Crawford/Rivers
Start of the Superfriends, just waiting on LeBron. CP3/Wade/Lebron/Melo/Chandler

Knicks In: Griffin/Crawford/Knight
Knicks Out: Melo/Lee/Kuzminskas
Gets them their all-star, along with a set of 3 point shooting starting guards as a pretty damn low pice (besides having to eat Knights contract, but its ok as they will use him in the starting PG role.) Jackson triangle offense would work pretty good with the addition of Crawford at the 2-guard spot.

Suns In:Jordan/Rivers
Suns Out: Bledsoe/Chandler/Knight
We get our mobile defensive C that can out rebound damn near anybody and a scoring PG to come off the bench somewhere. No more Knight (ok Rivers IS Knight, but at a much cheaper cost). Chandler is sent to a contender.

Maybe some draft picks would be included in there as well, IDK and dont know who would give/get them.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I actually like Jordans fit on the suns but dude can opt out of his deal next summer and leave for nothing or sign an insane deal. That's why I'd rather go after Drummond who brings a similar skill set but is locked up long term and younger.

Or they could just roll one more year with chandler and if they don't draft a c next year then chase a guy like Jordan in free agency.

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[BobbieL]

Somehow Ryan McD needs to do something offseason that moves the Suns from the kiddie table to the adult table. Its going to be tricky as I doubt a guy like Hayward or Griffin wants to be a Sun. And do the Suns even want Griffin. Hayward would be an absolute yet. But Sarver mentioned probably not going to be players in free agency this summer.

I just don't have a clue what that is unless willing to give up Bender or Chriss and a Miami pick - and that might be a lot.

But next week is the draft; week after that is free agency. Always a hopeful yet realistic

So, maybe a good trade will shake things up.

[jredsaz]

I still think we need to do something to address our C spot. Im cool with the rest of our line-up post draft. I just dont see Chandler or Len being our future at C, and for as big of a Big Sauce fan as i am, i dont think he is starter quality and is better suited bringing it off the bench in spurts.

I would love to somehow score Jordan, and who knows, the Clippers have to do SOMETHING, as just sticking with the status quo hasnt been getting the job done. So here is my Jordan to the Suns (while also forming the start of the Superfriends squad in LA) idea:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y92m5jbr

Bulls In: Bledsoe/Lee/Kuzminskas
Bulls Out: Wade
Chicago turns old man Wade into Bledsoe to run the point. Gives them a great defensive backcourt with Bledsoe/Lee/Butler.

Clippers In: Wade/Melo/Chandler
Clippers Out: Griffin/Jordan/Crawford/Rivers
Start of the Superfriends, just waiting on LeBron. CP3/Wade/Lebron/Melo/Chandler

Knicks In: Griffin/Crawford/Knight
Knicks Out: Melo/Lee/Kuzminskas
Gets them their all-star, along with a set of 3 point shooting starting guards as a pretty damn low pice (besides having to eat Knights contract, but its ok as they will use him in the starting PG role.) Jackson triangle offense would work pretty good with the addition of Crawford at the 2-guard spot.

Suns In:Jordan/Rivers
Suns Out: Bledsoe/Chandler/Knight
We get our mobile defensive C that can out rebound damn near anybody and a scoring PG to come off the bench somewhere. No more Knight (ok Rivers IS Knight, but at a much cheaper cost). Chandler is sent to a contender.

Maybe some draft picks would be included in there as well, IDK and dont know who would give/get them.

I like the idea but it's too complicated. If we draft Jackson or Tatum we should make a move for a vet at the 5. Love the fit of DJ.

Suns get DJ
Knicks get TJ, Crawford, Johnson, 18 MIA 1st
Clips get Melo, Chandler

Bledsoe/Uliss
Booker/Knight
Tatum/Dudley
Chriss/Bender
Jordan/Williams

We would need to add another vet and trade Knight but we need to start moving forward after this season.

It's time to start learning how to win. Unless we sign Steve Nash again it's going to take growing pains, effort, and planning to get to that point. We have to go forward with a Booker, Chriss, Bender, #4 and hope that three of them reach all star level.

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[Kerrsed]

I was also one that was in the Dummond camp too when that rumor was floating around. Dont want to take on Reggie Jackson to get him though, so have been searching for a solution and might have come up with one.

Seems the Orlando board is looking for a PG. Now there was a rumored trade that didnt end up going through in early Feburary with Jackson going to Orlando, but the fans really dont want him (Im not surprised), but they do like Bledsoe and were offering up trade ideas to nab Bledsoe. So taking some of their ideas and incorporating my own, i came up with this:

ORL IN: Bledsoe/S&T Len
ORL OUT: Vucevic/Payton/#25

DET IN: Vucevic/#25
DET OUT: Drummond

PHX IN: Drummond/Payton
PHX OUT: Bledsoe/S&T Len

[Mulhollanddrive]

Think about how desperate the Lakers could be to move cap space next week.

They are touted as favourites to get LeBron and George in 2018 and need to dump at least one of Mozgov or Deng to get a support cast.

The taboo of taking big losses in GM decisions isn't a factor as Magic has a clean slate.

They avoid another tricky issue of passing on Ball by trading down to 4.

I think I'm talking myself into the possibility of this happening.

[blee732]

Think about how desperate the Lakers could be to move cap space next week.

They are touted as favourites to get LeBron and George in 2018 and need to dump at least one of Mozgov or Deng to get a support cast.

The taboo of taking big losses in GM decisions isn't a factor as Magic has a clean slate.

They avoid another tricky issue of passing on Ball by trading down to 4.

I think I'm talking myself into the possibility of this happening.

Definitely agree that the Lakers are likely highly motivated to move salary. Mozgov's value will decrease significantly next year if Zubac gets more time (and I think he should). Similarly, Deng will lose value as Ingram and Randle take more minutes at the 3/4 spots. It'll be harder to move them the longer they wait, so hopefully there's a mutually beneficial move we can work out.

[Puff]

I think one thing seems pretty obvious.

If we do not draft a point guard, Bledsoe will be on our roster next year. If we do draft Fultz or Ball we will move Bledsoe.

I expect this is going to be a ho hum event come next Thursday and our choice will be either Tatum or Issac with the 4th pick in the draft.

I am fine with that.

[Walt_Uoob]

Lakers 2018:

Ball, Wade, George, Carmelo, LeBron

Too many primary ball handlers. Too old and young. Likely too expensive. Still wouldn't beat GS unless GS has an injury or two. Up-coming teams like Utah, Portland and Denver might be tough to beat as well.

Yeah that team would be better than the Garnett-Pierce-JJ Nets but similarly old and top-heavy and not quite good enough. And not to mention where Boston, Minnesota, and even Philadelphia could be in two years.

[bwgood77]

Man, Alex Len ranked low here. Alan Williams didn't even make the list.

http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/15/nba-free-agency-2017-centers/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5943ba3204d30110628c8ca9&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[Bogyo]

That list is sloppy AF. However, I do have to say that most of the forum is overvaluing Big Sauce, and undervaluing Len. That's understandable, with one being a top5 pick, and the other being a non-drafted local boy and all, but I think a lot of you will be surprised by the contracts they are offered. Just sayin'

[bwgood77]

That list is sloppy AF. However, I do have to say that most of the forum is overvaluing Big Sauce, and undervaluing Len. That's understandable, with one being a top5 pick, and the other being a non-drafted local boy and all, but I think a lot of you will be surprised by the contracts they are offered. Just sayin'

Yeah, I noticed on Indiana's draft thread they have a poster with a list of free agents he'd like to go after, and Williams was on the first list. I asked him how much he'd offer. He said $8 million a year. Then he had Len on another list and he said he'd offer him $10 million.

I can't see either getting too much money.