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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#561 » by Zelaznyrules » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:27 am

Frank Lee wrote:Chriss package was actually 3 firsts and a second

2014 # 27 (bogdan)
2016 # 13 (papagianas) Morris deal
2016 # 28 (skal) Thomas deal
2020 2nd


One thing is certain, McDo shoots from the hip in trade land. Will the trend continue?


You know, when you say 3 firsts and a second it sounds like major coinage but when you actually look at the paper value of a 2nd round pick plus the 27th and 28th selections, it's a real steal. Sacramento must have had zero interest in the players slotted around 8th because that's almost a giveaway. If a couple of those picks hit for the Kings it will look like a smart move but I can't fault Ryan's draft moves including that trade.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#562 » by Frank Lee » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:04 pm

And your point emphasizes the way draft picks are over valued by fans. Outside of the first few picks, its a homogenous group with contributing talent hidden in a pool of 30-40 . With the influx of underclassmen, potential has become a dominating trait. BTW, Skal looks like he could be a very good late rounder. Who knows about Bogdan.

The strategy anymore, is to find those one or two guys that everyone else sleeps on. (see Gobert, Wes Mathews, Green, Milsap, etc)
Booker, Warren, and Ulis are McDos prize candies. More so on Ulis. Alando Tucker, Earl Clark, Kendal Marshall, Archie Goodwhine, Ennis, and arguably Len are the lumps of coal. At least our GM has had some good recent success, yet every selection, especially the prized early lottos, has the potential to be a flaming bag of Dog**** on your front porch.

I dont value picks as high as others. I think it is important and necessary to glean talent from the batch of youngsters, but swapping out legit NBA talent for picks on draft day is risky. And for a future down the road....? its the ultimate crap shoot.

That said, I'd be just fine with a Bled to Dallas for #9 and Powell. Powell is a guy who could be a solid contributor, especially if we opt to pass on Len. But who knows about 9 :eyebrows: Bled's value has to be its highest, due to the ridiculous FA money being tossed out, and of course, his contribution.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#563 » by GMATCallahan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:42 am

Frank Lee wrote:And your point emphasizes the way draft picks are over valued by fans. Outside of the first few picks, its a homogenous group with contributing talent hidden in a pool of 30-40 . With the influx of underclassmen, potential has become a dominating trait. BTW, Skal looks like he could be a very good late rounder. Who knows about Bogdan.

The strategy anymore, is to find those one or two guys that everyone else sleeps on. (see Gobert, Wes Mathews, Green, Milsap, etc)
Booker, Warren, and Ulis are McDos prize candies. More so on Ulis. Alando Tucker, Earl Clark, Kendal Marshall, Archie Goodwhine, Ennis, and arguably Len are the lumps of coal. At least our GM has had some good recent success, yet every selection, especially the prized early lottos, has the potential to be a flaming bag of Dog**** on your front porch.

I dont value picks as high as others. I think it is important and necessary to glean talent from the batch of youngsters, but swapping out legit NBA talent for picks on draft day is risky. And for a future down the road....? its the ultimate crap shoot.

That said, I'd be just fine with a Bled to Dallas for #9 and Powell. Powell is a guy who could be a solid contributor, especially if we opt to pass on Len. But who knows about 9 :eyebrows: Bled's value has to be its highest, due to the ridiculous FA money being tossed out, and of course, his contribution.


The Suns have enjoyed good luck at nine in the past: Shawn Marion in 1999 and Amare Stoudemire in 2002.

Obviously, those results do not mean anything moving forward, and even in 1999, there were still enough players spending enough time in college where NBA teams could assess and project based on better, deeper sources of information. Marion only spent one year at UNLV, but at least he was a junior. Immediately before him in the draft came Wally Szczerbiak (four years of college), Richard Hamilton (three years, including an NCAA championship), and Andre Miller (four years, including a trip to the NCAA title game), and immediately after Marion, with the tenth pick, came Jason Terry (four years, including an NCAA championship). All five of those guys, drafted consecutively, sixth through tenth (Szczerbiak, Hamilton, Miller, Marion, Terry), became good-to-very good NBA players who enjoyed very good careers.

The previous year, 1998, the ninth pick was Dirk Nowitzki and the tenth was Paul Pierce (three years of college). Of course, there have always been busts, but in 1999, only one of the top ten picks did not "hit" well enough (the fifth selection, Jonathan Bender out of high school, and what derailed him was mostly injuries).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html

You still have to use the draft, but picks do tend to be much chancier than they used to be. For instance, the Suns used to find a good contributing player in virtually ever draft, even when picking late in the first round or outside the lottery: Oliver Miller with the twenty-second selection in 1992, Wesley Person at twenty-three in 1994, Michael Finley at twenty-one (with a pick obtained from the Lakers in exchange for Cedric Ceballos) in 1995, Steve Nash at fifteen in 1996. And I might mention selecting Dan Majerle at fourteen in 1988, along with such second-round picks as Jeff Hornacek, Andrew Lang, Steve Kerr, Cedric Ceballos, Negele Knight, and Richard Dumas from 1986-1991. (Granted, Dumas only dropped so far due to his drug use.) Phoenix missed on Malcolm Mackey in 1993, but he constituted the final pick of the first round, and the point is that a franchise that proved strong in scouting and talent evaluation could really mine the draft on a perennial basis.

Nowadays, the guessing game has grown greater, so that even if you identify talent effectively, you have little idea how long that talent might take to blossom. Robin Lopez represents a reasonable example. A decade earlier, virtually no one would have encouraged him to enter the NBA after just two years of college in 2008: he was awkward, did not possess a high skill level, and was not an explosive athlete. He did possess some potential on the basis of his tenacity, height, and length, and he has ultimately become a pretty good starting center by today's standards. But he took several years to really develop the skill level and knowledge to become a worthwhile starting center, as evidenced by the fact that his assists-to-turnover ratio over four years with Phoenix was 0.27:1.00, compared to nearly 0.9:1.0 over the last two seasons. With four years in college, maybe Lopez would have developed into a competent passer much more quickly. Likewise, although he started showing a decent jump shot over his last two seasons as a Sun, Lopez is now a fairly dangerous pick-and-pop shooter who also has a respectable hook in the low post, which he will sometimes shoot off a nifty fake. But again, he might have been better sooner had he spent more time in college.

So not only is projecting NBA ability more difficult now, but projecting it along the timelines of a team's growth and free agency is perhaps even more arduous.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#564 » by bigfoot » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:52 pm

I'm hoping every year the NBA will be expanding roster size and the number of players who can be assigned to the D-league. A true minor league system with players under contract for multiple years will allow for some serious player development.
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Post#565 » by Frank Lee » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:36 pm

Crazy to think back in the seventies the draft had 6 - 7 rounds.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#566 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:44 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Crazy to think back in the seventies the draft had 6 - 7 rounds.


Actually when I first started paying attention to the NBA there wasn't even a fixed number of draft rounds. The teams that still had prospects that interested them would keep selecting until they were out of players of interest. They locked it down to 10 rounds in the early 70's and it stayed at 10 until the mid-80's when they changed it to 7 rounds. They started lopping off rounds quickly after that until they got it down to 2 by the end of that decade.
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Post#567 » by wheezy » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:56 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Crazy to think back in the seventies the draft had 6 - 7 rounds.


Actually when I first started paying attention to the NBA there wasn't even a fixed number of draft rounds. The teams that still had prospects that interested them would keep selecting until they were out of players of interest. They locked it down to 10 rounds in the early 70's and it stayed at 10 until the mid-80's when they changed it to 7 rounds. They started lopping off rounds quickly after that until they got it down to 2 by the end of that decade.

Kind of random but I had a calc professor a while back named Dave Schultz that had been drafted in the 9th round by the Clippers in '84. First time I had ever even heard the draft went longer than 2 rounds.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#568 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:25 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:Crazy to think back in the seventies the draft had 6 - 7 rounds.


Actually when I first started paying attention to the NBA there wasn't even a fixed number of draft rounds. The teams that still had prospects that interested them would keep selecting until they were out of players of interest. They locked it down to 10 rounds in the early 70's and it stayed at 10 until the mid-80's when they changed it to 7 rounds. They started lopping off rounds quickly after that until they got it down to 2 by the end of that decade.

Kind of random but I had a calc professor a while back named Dave Schultz that had been drafted in the 9th round by the Clippers in '84. First time I had ever even heard the draft went longer than 2 rounds.


That't a pretty famous draft class although probably not because of your professor acquaintance.:) Jordan, Olajuwon, Barkley and of course, Sam Bowie. And the current Dallas Head Coach went in the 3rd or 4th round that same season.
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Post#569 » by GMATCallahan » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:58 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:That't a pretty famous draft class although probably not because of your professor acquaintance.:) Jordan, Olajuwon, Barkley and of course, Sam Bowie. And the current Dallas Head Coach went in the 3rd or 4th round that same season.


... John Stockton, too, plus guys who enjoyed very good careers like Otis Thorpe and Sam Perkins ... without looking matters up right now.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#571 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:37 am

Eric Bledsoe went live on FB today to talk to fans. Said he basically he wants to make the playoffs. Doesn't like Lavar Ball. Someone asked if he thinks the draft lottery is rigged because Suns should have gotten a top 2 pick and Bledsoe responded basketball gods will get ya if you mess with em. Laughed when someone mentioned who is getting traded him or Knight. Doesn't care who we get at No 4 as long as they are good. Someone said to go to Golden State he said **** NO!
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Post#572 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:46 pm

Hmm. Guess it's safe to go public on not liking Lavar. If the Suns draft Lonzo, Bled will be traded anyway.


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Post#573 » by TOO » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:42 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Hmm. Guess it's safe to go public on not liking Lavar. If the Suns draft Lonzo, Bled will be traded anyway.


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Lets be honest here, nobody but loud mouths like Lavar. So going public is just saying what the majority are thinking anyway.
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Post#574 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:14 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:Hmm. Guess it's safe to go public on not liking Lavar. If the Suns draft Lonzo, Bled will be traded anyway.


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Lets be honest here, nobody but loud mouths like Lavar. So going public is just saying what the majority are thinking anyway.


THIS is a must watch. It is hilarious and it says something about Lonzo's relationship with Lavar.


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Post#575 » by Fo-Real » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:24 pm

That's actually pretty damn funny! one point for Ball!
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Post#576 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:27 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:Hmm. Guess it's safe to go public on not liking Lavar. If the Suns draft Lonzo, Bled will be traded anyway.


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Lets be honest here, nobody but loud mouths like Lavar. So going public is just saying what the majority are thinking anyway.


THIS is a must watch. It is hilarious and it says something about Lonzo's relationship with Lavar.


I really don't think so. If you watch all of the Lonzo and Lavar interviews I think you might feel differently too. Anyway, I agree with Zach Lowe, his father was most likely behind the message and tone of this ad.
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Post#577 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:47 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
TOO wrote:
Lets be honest here, nobody but loud mouths like Lavar. So going public is just saying what the majority are thinking anyway.


THIS is a must watch. It is hilarious and it says something about Lonzo's relationship with Lavar.


I really don't think so. If you watch all of the Lonzo and Lavar interviews I think you might feel differently too. Anyway, I agree with Zach Lowe, his father was most likely behind the message and tone of this ad.


I think they have a good relationship, but he's definitely making fun of his dad there.
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Post#578 » by MrMiyagi » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:10 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
THIS is a must watch. It is hilarious and it says something about Lonzo's relationship with Lavar.


I really don't think so. If you watch all of the Lonzo and Lavar interviews I think you might feel differently too. Anyway, I agree with Zach Lowe, his father was most likely behind the message and tone of this ad.


I think they have a good relationship, but he's definitely making fun of his dad there.

And his dad is loving that his son is the star of this commercial.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#579 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:50 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
THIS is a must watch. It is hilarious and it says something about Lonzo's relationship with Lavar.


I really don't think so. If you watch all of the Lonzo and Lavar interviews I think you might feel differently too. Anyway, I agree with Zach Lowe, his father was most likely behind the message and tone of this ad.


I think they have a good relationship, but he's definitely making fun of his dad there.


Of course he is but I don't doubt that it was done with Lavar's awareness and approval. It's designed to make Lonzo and his father more likable and Lonzo, therefore, more draftable and more marketable. It isn't, IMO, a case of a young man pushing himself out of the nest as so many people seem to be taking it.
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