2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[TeamTragic]

Nobody wanted IT, I dont think people will pay big bucks for him next summer either.

Based on what information?

Well literally any team with more than 6.5M in cap space could have signed him that summer.

IMO if McD was going to get fired for a move it's the whole Knightmare that should do him in not that IT move.

Knightmare could get him fired but IT puts it over the top. Especially if we see that stacked Boston team this upcoming season. Imagine if Lebron leaves and goes out West. Boston is going to be a beast in the East.

[Villalobos]

There were two times where the entire league could have gotten IT easily and no one gave a **** about him. First was when the Suns signed him to a cheapo deal because nobody wanted him. Then when he was traded the only thing he got was a crappy first rounder and two seconds because no one else, not even the genius Pat Riley (who gave up a ton for Goran Dragic instead), was interested besides Ainge.

You know Ainge and Brad Stevens had no idea he was that good because he came off the bench for his entire first season, and the start of his second season there until IIRC some guard injuries got him some burn as a starter.

Why did no one want him? Because everyone looked at him like he was a 5'9" Lou Williams or Patty Mills. A tiny bench scorer. No one rightly figured his offense would be so great it would negate most of his height/defense disadvantages.

[TeamTragic]

There were two times where the entire league could have gotten IT easily and no one gave a **** about him. First was when the Suns signed him to a cheapo deal because nobody wanted him. Then when he was traded the only thing he got was a crappy first rounder and two seconds because no one else, not even the genius Pat Riley (who gave up a ton for Goran Dragic instead), was interested besides Ainge.

You know Ainge and Brad Stevens had no idea he was that good because he came off the bench for his entire first season, and the start of his second season there until IIRC some guard injuries got him some burn as a starter.

Why did no one want him? Because everyone looked at him like he was a 5'9" Lou Williams or Patty Mills. A tiny bench scorer. No one rightly figured his offense would be so great it would negate most of his height/defense disadvantages.

I hate to break it to you but Miami has a decent team. Those picks we have might be worthless since they just cleared up cap space (Bosh). Riley didn't want IT nor does he need him.

I think we should face the reality that McD did a decent but not good job. Remember that Blanks was our previous GM. However that Knight and IT trade are two black eyes.

[Jdiddy701]

IT is the same player he was in Sacramento, same player with the Suns. The difference is that he's in the East now. Always been a fun player to watch and knows how to score.


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[carey]

Why did no one want him? Because everyone looked at him like he was a 5'9" Lou Williams or Patty Mills. A tiny bench scorer. No one rightly figured his offense would be so great it would negate most of his height/defense disadvantages.

It doesn't. Wall punished him routinely and thoroughly outplayed him. He's a liability in the playoffs. A great regular season player though. You're never going to win a championship with him as a starting PG. You see how having a defensive sieve at PG hurt Cleveland. IT is even worse than Kyrie.

[carey]

I hate to break it to you but Miami has a decent team. Those picks we have might be worthless since they just cleared up cap space (Bosh).

There's only 2 players that they could sign that would worry me. Hayward (who is unlikely) and Blake (who is also unlikely.) There's no other FAs that will convince me that the Heat will become good enough for that pick to be worthless. They played out of their mind the 2nd half of the season last year. I'm fairly sure it won't happen again. That magic rarely repeats itself.

[Frank Lee]

I could see Griffin going to Miami quite easily.... What are his choices, especially if Paul walks....?

Dallas, OKC ? Where would you want to live for the next 5 yrs with a giant sack of cash?

[BobbieL]

I could see Griffin going to Miami quite easily.... What are his choices, especially if Paul walks....?

Dallas, OKC ? Where would you want to live for the next 5 yrs with a giant sack of cash?

Phoenix?

Kidding

I think OKC in a possible S&T with Kanter might be an option

[WeekapaugGroove]

Been trying to think about some outside the normal Bledsoe for draft pick x trades. Utah seems like a good destination especially if hills price tag gets ridiculous but even if hill comes back i think those two could play together. If the suns took a pg in the draft something centered around Rodney hood could make sense if hayward was coming back to utah. For the suns he would slot in at sf and provide the shooting this lineup needs hed also be young enough to be part of the core but experienced enough that he could step right in. Another option I dont like as much would be something centered around favors and exum who i don't think is a lost cause and would be an interesting pairing with booker.



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[Frank Lee]

I think we just should accept the fact Bledsoe is our starting PG. He's better than most and certainly better than any rook.

We only need to trade him if we draft Ball or Fox....thats why I say Monk if we go guard. If/when he improves his PG skills we can address the Bled departure then.

Nuts to snagging another lotto pick by trading Bledsoe. The group of talent between 5-20 is homogenous. Safe bet that someone taken late will be better than many taken early (see Booker at 14)

[BobbieL]

I think we just should accept the fact Bledsoe is our starting PG. He's better than most and certainly better than any rook.

We only need to trade him if we draft Ball or Fox....thats why I say Monk if we go guard. If/when he improves his PG skills we can address the Bled departure then.

Nuts to snagging another lotto pick by trading Bledsoe. The group of talent between 5-20 is homogenous. Safe bet that someone taken late will be better than many taken early (see Booker at 14)

I agree about not needing another first round pick - that discussed deal of 4 to the Kings for 5 and 10. Suns do not need young players - they have enough and are probably adding one more.
So, unless its Ball - I don't think I would want any other PG. I get the age thing with Bledsoe - but the Suns need to start winning. They need to start to improve. Taking D'Aaron Fox and trading Bledsoe to me is a step back

Lonzo Ball or Fultz seem like such top flight talent - fine, maybe trade Bledsoe

Suns will be a better team the next three years with Bledsoe at PG unless its Ball

[AtheJ415]

Based on what information?

Well literally any team with more than 6.5M in cap space could have signed him that summer.

IMO if McD was going to get fired for a move it's the whole Knightmare that should do him in not that IT move.

Knightmare could get him fired but IT puts it over the top. Especially if we see that stacked Boston team this upcoming season. Imagine if Lebron leaves and goes out West. Boston is going to be a beast in the East.

The retrospective history some want to hold McD to on here is just crazy. You can't simultaneously blame him for all results regardless of circumstance. Knight was seen as a borderline all star at the time of the trade. He had value. Nobody foresaw him becoming the worst player in basketball.

IT was a guy everybody here blasted McD for signing and complained about to no end. He was labeled a midget ballstopper who did nothing but piss off the almighty Goran Dragic. The truth is IT was seen as an offensively-gifted but defensively horrible controversial guard who was a better fit as a combo guard than a true 1 and a better fit for a 6th man role than a starter. That is why we got him for so little, and that is why when we offered him to the rest of the league, the best we got was a middling first.

Point being, this retrospective BS is inaccurate. If you are really out there thinking the league valued IT and that McD simply chose to trade him to somebody even though there were better offers on the table or coming imminently then I don't know what to tell you. Most of this board wanted the guy gone for nothing, and now most of the board blasts the GM for trading him for a mid-first.

[AtheJ415]

I think we just should accept the fact Bledsoe is our starting PG. He's better than most and certainly better than any rook.

We only need to trade him if we draft Ball or Fox....thats why I say Monk if we go guard. If/when he improves his PG skills we can address the Bled departure then.

Nuts to snagging another lotto pick by trading Bledsoe. The group of talent between 5-20 is homogenous. Safe bet that someone taken late will be better than many taken early (see Booker at 14)

I agree about not needing another first round pick - that discussed deal of 4 to the Kings for 5 and 10. Suns do not need young players - they have enough and are probably adding one more.
So, unless its Ball - I don't think I would want any other PG. I get the age thing with Bledsoe - but the Suns need to start winning. They need to start to improve. Taking D'Aaron Fox and trading Bledsoe to me is a step back

Lonzo Ball or Fultz seem like such top flight talent - fine, maybe trade Bledsoe

Suns will be a better team the next three years with Bledsoe at PG unless its Ball

I would argue that it is not in our best interest to try to win more games in the next 3 years with Bledsoe at PG than somebody younger and a better fit for our core agewise and healthwise for a host of reasons.

[bwgood77]

So Boston looking at maybe adding Butler and Hayward.

Plus they have Brown, Crowder, and Bradley


How many wings can they play at once? Are they going to run 3 small forwards in their starting lineup? Would make for interesting basketball:

IT/Smart
Butler/Bradley
Hawyard/Brown
Crowder
Horford/Olynk

I think they will go after Hayward, but with Crowder and Brown, Griffin makes more sense, and I think they ultimately have a better shot at landing him. I know Hayward played for Stephens, but he seems to love Utah and their is the Miami thing out there. With Griffin, you have Paul maybe leaving as well as the Warriors and Spurs in the conference. Going to the Celtics, especially if they land Butler, would probably give them the advantage over the Cavs

IT/Smart/Rozier
Butler/Bradley
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/Horford
Horford/Olynyk

[Frank Lee]

I think we just should accept the fact Bledsoe is our starting PG. He's better than most and certainly better than any rook.

We only need to trade him if we draft Ball or Fox....thats why I say Monk if we go guard. If/when he improves his PG skills we can address the Bled departure then.

Nuts to snagging another lotto pick by trading Bledsoe. The group of talent between 5-20 is homogenous. Safe bet that someone taken late will be better than many taken early (see Booker at 14)

I agree about not needing another first round pick - that discussed deal of 4 to the Kings for 5 and 10. Suns do not need young players - they have enough and are probably adding one more.
So, unless its Ball - I don't think I would want any other PG. I get the age thing with Bledsoe - but the Suns need to start winning. They need to start to improve. Taking D'Aaron Fox and trading Bledsoe to me is a step back

Lonzo Ball or Fultz seem like such top flight talent - fine, maybe trade Bledsoe

Suns will be a better team the next three years with Bledsoe at PG unless its Ball

I would argue that it is not in our best interest to try to win more games in the next 3 years with Bledsoe at PG than somebody younger and a better fit for our core agewise and healthwise for a host of reasons.

I think you would have to argue with McD.... not me. I'm indifferent with Bled. But one thing, there is no guarantee we win more with him.

[Zelaznyrules]

I agree about not needing another first round pick - that discussed deal of 4 to the Kings for 5 and 10. Suns do not need young players - they have enough and are probably adding one more.
So, unless its Ball - I don't think I would want any other PG. I get the age thing with Bledsoe - but the Suns need to start winning. They need to start to improve. Taking D'Aaron Fox and trading Bledsoe to me is a step back

Lonzo Ball or Fultz seem like such top flight talent - fine, maybe trade Bledsoe

Suns will be a better team the next three years with Bledsoe at PG unless its Ball

I would argue that it is not in our best interest to try to win more games in the next 3 years with Bledsoe at PG than somebody younger and a better fit for our core agewise and healthwise for a host of reasons.

I think you would have to argue with McD.... not me. I'm indifferent with Bled. But one thing, there is no guarantee we win more with him.

True; his knees, aliens, an evil haboob or even tainted ice cream might take him down. But chances are, we will win a lot more games over the short run with Eric than without.

[bwgood77]

BTW, Knight wouldn't see a minute of play. Eventually structure a buy out if no one wants him. Eat his cap space, as we are likely going to be closer to the minimum than to the tax level.

We owe BK way to much money to do that. This is not a Josh Smith situation either where his absence would actually help the team. Unless we need that 15th roster spot we may as well keep him. Break glass in case of emergency. I don't know...

I wouldn't buy him out if I were Sarver, but if the FO doesn't seem him as a part of the team going forward and they don't plan on playing him, there is no reason not to waive him if no one wants him in trade this summer. Someone could claim him and you're off the hook. If he clears waivers and signs somewhere for a lesser amount, I think (but am not sure) what the Suns pay is reduced by that amount, so either way you save money unless you really think you can trade him in the future or don't mind adding an asset to do so. I might try Knight and 54 for a contract in the similar range that only has one year left.

[BobbieL]

BTW, Knight wouldn't see a minute of play. Eventually structure a buy out if no one wants him. Eat his cap space, as we are likely going to be closer to the minimum than to the tax level.

We owe BK way to much money to do that. This is not a Josh Smith situation either where his absence would actually help the team. Unless we need that 15th roster spot we may as well keep him. Break glass in case of emergency. I don't know...

I wouldn't buy him out if I were Sarver, but if the FO doesn't seem him as a part of the team going forward and they don't plan on playing him, there is no reason not to waive him if no one wants him in trade this summer. Someone could claim him and you're off the hook. If he clears waivers and signs somewhere for a lesser amount, I think (but am not sure) what the Suns pay is reduced by that amount, so either way you save money unless you really think you can trade him in the future or don't mind adding an asset to do so. I might try Knight and 54 for a contract in the similar range that only has one year left.

I think there is a deal for Brandon Knight. It just might involve taking back a terrible contract. I wrote about Knight for Shumpert and I think the Cavs might do it if they feel Knight can give them something more than Shumpert. Shumpert was horrible against the Warriors and his supposed good defense was negated by some dumb plays. For the Suns, it saves them money.

[LukasBMW]

I'd be OK taking Ball @ 4 and even OK taking him at 2 if the only cost to move up was to take on Deng.

I think Ball could bust hard, but after what I saw from Ulis last year...we may already have our future star PG. If Ball actually pans out, then we'd have two "pass first" point guards.

If we take on Deng's deal and ship out Bledsoe, it's a wash.

Ulis/Ball
Booker/
TJ/#
Bender/
Chris/

#Add whoever we draft with the pick we move Bledsoe for - One of Jackson/Tatum/Issac will fall.

That's a load of youth talent and potential.

One more year of tanking (this time naturally) then we start seriously trying to bring in free agents.

[Damkac]

Look at this crap
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1578134