Potential sleepers

doordoor123 · Post #941 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:50 am

ckchiruka wrote:Anyone know about Luka Bozic? or Tidjane Keita? Both of them are unknown international players who stayed in the draft.

For one Luka averaged 38 mins 22 points 6 rebs and 6 asts in the Croatian league. That seems amazing, but the Croatian league probably isn't that great, although some teams do make it to the Adriatic which is much better.

Tidjane apparently is 6'10 with a 7'3" wingspan but hasn't played college or overseas and just finished up high school in Canada, so basically no one has any film on him.

Bozic is a 3/4 when he comes to the NBA (but now plays 2/3) that likes to post up. He's really strong, has a good first step and he's aggressive. Not vertically athletic and has a 6'9 wingspan, but he's a good finisher. Might be a bit of a sleeper, but his jumper needs a little work. Won't be as good a passer or rebounder in the NBA. Needs to work on his handle, but he's a quick slasher. Also needs a lot of work on defense. I think he's someone the Celtics would like and I think they could take him in the second round. I guarantee a team will look at him after so many teams missed out on Giannis.

I know nothing about Tidjane, but after a quick google:

Watch on YouTube

Looks pretty damn good.

Mitchacho · Post #942 » by **Mitchacho** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:35 am

Semi Ojeleye, Derrick White and Kyle Kuzma for me.

Hoopz Afrik · Post #943 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:07 pm

Just_Bullz wrote:Semi Ojeleye anyone? Tank like body with an offensive skill set like Jimmy Butler.

But he's 22 though.

He's going to make some GM look like a genius.

BlazersBroncos · Post #944 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:55 pm

I think Ojeleye is a surefire hit as a late R1 pick. Think he can at least be a 3/D type with outside chance to be a supercharged 3/D type in the Crowder mold. His body is ready for the NBA, and he tries on defense, so he just needs a standstill 3PT shot and he can get immediate minutes IMO.

doordoor123 · Post #945 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:41 pm

Ojeleye is interesting to me and I'm not as high on him as other people for a few reasons. #1 he spent a lot of minutes at PF and I just don't think he's going to get as many minutes at that position in the NBA. #2 I'm not high on his ability to create space off the bounce and his 6'9 1/2 wingspan questions how often he'll be able to get his step-backs off. #3 his steals and blocks were low in college. I think the best comparison is probably PJ Tucker, but I can see him turning into a Crowder-type too. Those lack of blocks and steals really scare me though.

clyde21 · Post #946 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:57 pm

Hamidou Diallo

doordoor123 · Post #947 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:02 pm

clyde21 wrote:Hamidou Diallo

Do you mean next year?

RipCity71252 · Post #948 » by **RipCity71252** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:09 am

Frank Jackson, PJ Dozier, Kadeem Allen, Vlatko Cancar.

DrCoach · Post #949 » by **DrCoach** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:21 am

doordoor123 wrote:Ojeleye is interesting to me and I'm not as high on him as other people for a few reasons. #1 he spent a lot of minutes at PF and I just don't think he's going to get as many minutes at that position in the NBA. #2 I'm not high on his ability to create space off the bounce and his 6'9 1/2 wingspan questions how often he'll be able to get his step-backs off. #3 his steals and blocks were low in college. I think the best comparison is probably PJ Tucker, but I can see him turning into a Crowder-type too. Those lack of blocks and steals really scare me though.

Crowder and Draymond Had ridiculous advanced stats in college

MotownMadness · Post #950 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:31 am

DrCoach wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Ojeleye is interesting to me and I'm not as high on him as other people for a few reasons. #1 he spent a lot of minutes at PF and I just don't think he's going to get as many minutes at that position in the NBA. #2 I'm not high on his ability to create space off the bounce and his 6'9 1/2 wingspan questions how often he'll be able to get his step-backs off. #3 his steals and blocks were low in college. I think the best comparison is probably PJ Tucker, but I can see him turning into a Crowder-type too. Those lack of blocks and steals really scare me though.

Crowder and Draymond Had ridiculous advanced stats in college

Yeah Draymond was really good at Michigan State. I loved the guy in his time here.

doordoor123 · Post #951 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:42 am

MotownMadness wrote:
DrCoach wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Ojeleye is interesting to me and I'm not as high on him as other people for a few reasons. #1 he spent a lot of minutes at PF and I just don't think he's going to get as many minutes at that position in the NBA. #2 I'm not high on his ability to create space off the bounce and his 6'9 1/2 wingspan questions how often he'll be able to get his step-backs off. #3 his steals and blocks were low in college. I think the best comparison is probably PJ Tucker, but I can see him turning into a Crowder-type too. Those lack of blocks and steals really scare me though.

Crowder and Draymond Had ridiculous advanced stats in college

Yeah Draymond was really good at Michigan State. I loved the guy in his time here.

To be fair blocks and steals make up for good amount advanced stats. Semi is actually a pretty good on-ball defender and he's one of the quicker guys laterally. I just don't understand how that isn't translating to more blocks and steals. Especially since he's so athletic. I also think he was better at blocking and stealing in the tournament.

MotownMadness · Post #952 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:46 am

doordoor123 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
DrCoach wrote:

Crowder and Draymond Had ridiculous advanced stats in college

Yeah Draymond was really good at Michigan State. I loved the guy in his time here.

To be fair blocks and steals make up for good amount advanced stats. Semi is actually a pretty good on-ball defender and he's one of the quicker guys laterally. I just don't understand how that isn't translating to more blocks and steals. Especially since he's so athletic. I also think he was better at blocking and stealing in the tournament.

Draymond just did everything and ran the team. He much was just looked down as a tweener at that time coming into the draft and scared off teams. Just how the NBA has changed in that little bit of time.

nicnac215 · Post #953 » by **nicnac215** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:11 am

Ojeleye will be a solid NBA player in the mold of PJ Tucker.
DJ Wilson can be a great stretch 4 and would be a great big to come off the bench add shooting and athleticism.

DrCoach · Post #954 » by **DrCoach** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:00 am

doordoor123 wrote:I don't think he's going to get drafted, but Jeremy Senglin has a chance to make it in the NBA. He's a really good three point shooter that creates a ton of space. He's undersized at 6'0, has a 6'5 wingspan and an 8'0 standing reach. Apparently he has been defending really well in workouts. If he can defend, create space off the dribble and shoot threes, I don't see why he can't make it. Will be someone to watch in summer league.

Watch on YouTube

Name me a 6ft SG in the NBA

doordoor123 · Post #955 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:25 pm

DrCoach wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:I don't think he's going to get drafted, but Jeremy Senglin has a chance to make it in the NBA. He's a really good three point shooter that creates a ton of space. He's undersized at 6'0, has a 6'5 wingspan and an 8'0 standing reach. Apparently he has been defending really well in workouts. If he can defend, create space off the dribble and shoot threes, I don't see why he can't make it. Will be someone to watch in summer league.

Watch on YouTube

Name me a 6ft SG in the NBA

Isaiah Canaan
Brian Roberts
Kemba Walker
JJ Barea
Lou Williams
DJ Augustin
Shabazz Napier
Fred VanVleet

MotownMadness · Post #956 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:24 pm

Watch on YouTube

6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan guard who's a versatile offensive player and also plays defense.

Edit: just realized he's already 22 so there's probably not much upside there as I thought

Mirotic12 · Post #957 » by **Mirotic12** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:44 pm

ckchiruka wrote:Anyone know about Luka Bozic? or Tidjane Keita? Both of them are unknown international players who stayed in the draft.

For one Luka averaged 38 mins 22 points 6 rebs and 6 asts in the Croatian league. That seems amazing, but the Croatian league probably isn't that great, although some teams do make it to the Adriatic which is much better.

I have not seen Bozic play much, so I can't really comment on him personally. But as far as the Croatian League goes.....it's awful, easily one of the worst leagues in all of Europe.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #958 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:40 am

Kuzma

12footrim · Post #959 » by **12footrim** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:10 pm

Andre Washington from East Carolina/Wake Forest would be a great flier free agent signing.

He's 7 foot tall and had the 20th highest career block percentages since they started tracking about a decade ago in NCAA history.

7.3 blocks per 100 possessions.

AD's was 8.8 per 100 to give you some perspective.

I think he would be a good cheap defensive option for some team like the Cavs. He certainly transformed a piss poor ECU defense.

Watch on YouTube

The 5:03 mark when you get to his rim protection is where you see his value. It really was elite.

dukes_wild · Post #960 » by **dukes_wild** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:11 pm

PJ Dozier is a good sleeper. DX has him at 50 but I think he'll be one of the better 2nd round picks. His defensive instincts are crazy good and he can essentially guard 3 positions (1-3) at a fairly high level. Obviously shooting and just scoring efficiency in general is a huge concern but in my opinion he's the most NBA ready defensive wing player in this class aside from Josh Jackson and Donovan Mitchell

He's going to be a pretty big negative offensively (similar to what Marcus Smart is right now, though Smart is probably a better playmaker) as he provides little to no floor spacing, isn't really a great playmaker, and just doesn't have much in his toolbox there, but if he can find some sort of niche offensively that makes it so he's only a slight negative, I think he can be a very good role player. I mean, even though he shot only 30% from 3 last season, he still shot 2.5 more threes a game than he did in his freshman season, and despite that large increase in volume, he also shot 9% better (21% frsh, 30% soph).