Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

[76ciology]

We all knew Colangelo was going to burn through the assets, our only hope is that Hinkie gave us enough to build a Championship team out of.

Eventually someone's got to burn through the assets. At some point were going to give up value for impact. At some point the bigs are going to be traded for lesser talent but better impact players via cap structure&on court considerations.

I was looking around. There's not much "superstar" we can steal in this league and most of them (Butler or George) Fultz falls into that category. Atleast with Fultz, we don't have to overpay THAT much via assets or cap structure.

I think when everything is considered this is not an overpay of assets. Although I must admit that there's quite a risk for both teams in this deal. Just as the two popular point of views of Fultz and a gap between Ball/Jackson and the one where Ball, Fultz and Jackson are all in the same tier.

And if we do this deal, then THE OWNERSHIP falls into that group of guys that believes in Fultz over Ball/Jackson.

I don't think that the ownership is a factor here.

If we trade 3 plus an unprotected 2018 pick then that is more than twice the value that Cousins returned, and he is a pure superstar in his prime.

It is more than Butler or George is likely to fetch.

Fultz fits like a glove, but he is an unproven commodity. Couldn't we get Butler for the same package?


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DMC's value around the league isn't high as general fans do like to think

Everything considered (trend and headcase considered), Fultz is better than DMC.

[timLH]

Fultz better has a MCW-type debut to justify this trade.

[Lou_23]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

[76ciology]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

I dont like next year's draft

[Wilfried]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

I dont like next year's draft

How can you say that now already?

[Simmons25]

Why are we doing Ainge a favor and gifting extra picks to him?
I agree that on pick-wise, the value of #1 may be equal to #3 plus another top-5 pick next year.
BUT on player-wise, Fultz is not worth Jackson/Ball plus another top-5 pick next year.

People overrate the value of "top" draft picks especially those that are in the 3 to 10 range. If it's not pick 1 or maybe even 2... then you aren't guaranteed anything... never mind potential picks in 2018 and 2019 where we really have no idea yet who is going to be worthy.

It's because they are faceless. Once you put an actual player against a number suddenly the value decreases. For instance... replace "pick 3" and "pick 6" with the names Jahil Okafor and Nerlens Noel instead. Now ask yourself whether it would be crazy to trade that for the number 1 pick in the draft? You would do it every day of the week.

It's going to be no use afterwards us looking back and going damn I wish we'd given away that high draft pick we wanted to keep so badly that only got us Dante Exum or Mario Hezonja or Cody Zeller or Thomas Robinson.

[76ciology]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

I dont like next year's draft

How can you say that now already?

It's top heavy with bigs. I don't value bigs like how NBA people see it.

[Ericb5]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

In the end it could be the same value though. It is an embarrassment of riches, and a consolidation trade makes sense, but that generally means that an established player is coming back.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better. This is the ultimate fit over talent move, and as Hinkie preached, it isn't how a move turns out that should be remembered, but rather the information that was available at the time, and whether or not there was a sound decision making process.

That philosophy won on Embiid, and lost on Okafor, but over the long haul it makes for better results.

You don't just flail about and then hope to be judged on how it turns out.

Ainge is playing the long game like Hinkie did. Colangelo is cashing in some house money from bets placed by Hinkie. In a sense he is getting Fultz for MCW, cap space and the 5th pick.

Ainge just keeps the Billy King gravy train flowing by taking advantage of average GM's. What bugs me more than anything is the losing on points aspect of this deal, and not because I dislike Fultz. I love Fultz as a prospect, and he is a perfect fit next to Simmons.

We are Vlade Divac in this deal.

Also does this take us out of the running for one of the free agent point guards like Lowry or Jrue? That is another aspect of this because those guys could have been had for just cap space.




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[Rastas]

Fingers crossed for Philly fans this is only #3 and 76ers 1st (19) for this years #1, or at worst Philly's 1st (18) instead of (19).

If Boston wants more offer them a 2nd or Okafor.

[timLH]

In a sense he is getting Fultz for MCW, cap space and the 5th pick.

Thanks for making me feel better.

[Wilfried]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

In the end it could be the same value though. It is an embarrassment of riches, and a consolidation trade makes sense, but that generally means that an established player is coming back.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better. This is the ultimate fit over talent move, and as Hinkie preached, it isn't how a move turns out that should be remembered, but rather the information that was available at the time, and whether or not there was a sound decision making process.

That philosophy won on Embiid, and lost on Okafor, but over the long haul it makes for better results.

You don't just flail about and then hope to be judged on how it turns out.

Ainge is playing the long game like Hinkie did. Colangelo is cashing in some house money from bets placed by Hinkie. In a sense he is getting Fultz for MCW, cap space and the 5th pick.

Ainge just keeps the Billy King gravy train flowing by taking advantage of average GM's. What bugs me more than anything is the losing on points aspect of this deal, and not because I dislike Fultz. I love Fultz as a prospect, and he is a perfect fit next to Simmons.

We are Vlade Divac in this deal.

Also does this take us out of the running for one of the free agent point guards like Lowry or Jrue? That is another aspect of this because those guys could have been had for just cap space.


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You draft for talent

You trade for fit

Can someone tweet/text this again to BC?

Although Fultz seems like fit and talent?

[cksdayoff]

Not sure if this has been posted already... but very interesting.

Boston tweet out this image about the draft... and leave out Markelle Fultz. It's a done deal.

Read on Twitter

i hope they take tatum

[Lou_23]

Why are we doing Ainge a favor and gifting extra picks to him?
I agree that on pick-wise, the value of #1 may be equal to #3 plus another top-5 pick next year.
BUT on player-wise, Fultz is not worth Jackson/Ball plus another top-5 pick next year.

People overrate the value of "top" draft picks especially those that are in the 3 to 10 range. If it's not pick 1 or maybe even 2... then you aren't guaranteed anything... never mind potential picks in 2018 and 2019 where we really have no idea yet who is going to be worthy.

It's because they are faceless. Once you put an actual player against a number suddenly the value decreases. For instance... replace "pick 3" and "pick 6" with the names Jahil Okafor and Nerlens Noel instead. Now ask yourself whether it would be crazy to trade that for the number 1 pick in the draft? You would do it every day of the week.

It's going to be no use afterwards us looking back and going damn I wish we'd given away that high draft pick we wanted to keep so badly that only got us Dante Exum or Mario Hezonja or Cody Zeller or Thomas Robinson.

Exactly. I agree 100% with you.

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

I think the Lakers pick will be 5-10 next year. They have some good young players, veterans and well, they are the Lakers. Sacramento always sucks, and they dont have potential to be decent in 2019 . Who is his potential star ? Buddy Hield? Fox? Nah, they will suck.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better.

I dont agree with you. I like Jackson, but in my opinion his ceiling is Iguodala. I think he is a little bit overrated.

I love Fultz, and i think he can be our potential Irving. He can be a perennial All star.

[Slacktard]

Fingers crossed for Philly fans this is only #3 and 76ers 1st (19) for this years #1, or at worst Philly's 1st (18) instead of (19).

If Boston wants more offer them a 2nd or Okafor.

Pretty sure it sounds like Lakers '18 is a lock part and the question is how much more BC gives up.

[timLH]

I think the Lakers pick will be 5-10 next year. They have some good young players, veterans and well, they are the Lakers. Sacramento always sucks, and they dont have potential to be decent in 2019 . Who is his potential star ? Buddy Hield? Fox? Nah, they will suck.

There is a great chance for the 2018 LAL to be a top 3 pick.

[PLO]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

In the end it could be the same value though. It is an embarrassment of riches, and a consolidation trade makes sense, but that generally means that an established player is coming back.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better. This is the ultimate fit over talent move, and as Hinkie preached, it isn't how a move turns out that should be remembered, but rather the information that was available at the time, and whether or not there was a sound decision making process.

That philosophy won on Embiid, and lost on Okafor, but over the long haul it makes for better results.

You don't just flail about and then hope to be judged on how it turns out.

Ainge is playing the long game like Hinkie did. Colangelo is cashing in some house money from bets placed by Hinkie. In a sense he is getting Fultz for MCW, cap space and the 5th pick.

Ainge just keeps the Billy King gravy train flowing by taking advantage of average GM's. What bugs me more than anything is the losing on points aspect of this deal, and not because I dislike Fultz. I love Fultz as a prospect, and he is a perfect fit next to Simmons.

We are Vlade Divac in this deal.

Also does this take us out of the running for one of the free agent point guards like Lowry or Jrue? That is another aspect of this because those guys could have been had for just cap space.




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How does a 31 year old Kyle Lowry fit with Embiid and Simmons at 22 and 21 years of age?

The Jackson faults are done over here repeatedly, but to reiterate a few of them: he's over a year older than Fultz and has only dominated against mediocre players and though he does have plus athleticism that's going to be much less of a factor in the NBA where most have plus athleticism. He can't shoot, has other offensive issues and will be limited to defending 3s and 2s and against the best of those at the college level he was smashed anyway. He's a role player at the next level, a beta who will be drafted too high when alphas are there on the board for the taking. He's clearly not anywhere near the prospect Fultz is, as Sean Derenthal says, there's Fultz then "a giant gap", which is the reason why Fultz has been perched on top of most draft boards for the best part of a year.

Would Hinkie try and trade up to get Fultz in this current situation? I think he would. This is the ultimate process move; because getting the best young players is what the process is all about.

[Lou_23]

Hinkie loved the risk. He would love this trade

[PLO]

I think the Lakers pick will be 5-10 next year. They have some good young players, veterans and well, they are the Lakers. Sacramento always sucks, and they dont have potential to be decent in 2019 . Who is his potential star ? Buddy Hield? Fox? Nah, they will suck.

There is a great chance for the 2018 LAL to be a top 3 pick.

Even if we get a top 3 pick from a non-tanking LAL how many guards are top 3 material next year? Next years guard class is looking thin at this stage. If you get a Jackson/Tatum/Isaac this year at three you're still looking at getting a guard next year that fits in with the timeline we have around our current players.

[timLH]

How does a 31 year old Kyle Lowry fit with Embiid and Simmons at 22 and 21 years of age?

The Jackson faults are done over here repeatedly, but to reiterate a few of them: he's over a year older than Fultz and has only dominated against mediocre players and though he does have plus athleticism that's going to be much less of a factor in the NBA where most have plus athleticism. He can't shoot, has other offensive issues and will be limited to defending 3s and 2s and against the best of those at the college level he was smashed anyway. He's a role player at the next level, a beta who will be drafted too high when alphas are there on the board for the taking. He's clearly not anywhere near the prospect Fultz is, as Sean Derenthal says, there's Fultz then "a giant gap", which is the reason why Fultz has been perched on top of most draft boards for the best part of a year.

Would Hinkie try and trade up to get Fultz in this current situation? I think he would. This is the ultimate process move; because getting the best young players is what the process is all about.

Embiid is 23. I think fit has nothing related to age and Lowry fits well with Biid and Simmons' game.

[CoreyGallagher]

The only reluctance I have with trading the LA pick is it essentially removes us from the Doncic sweepstakes. Otherwise, I'm fine with it because the odds were always going to be slim getting him and nobody else in that draft really entices me right now, also a lot of bigs.