Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

[PLO]

How does a 31 year old Kyle Lowry fit with Embiid and Simmons at 22 and 21 years of age?

The Jackson faults are done over here repeatedly, but to reiterate a few of them: he's over a year older than Fultz and has only dominated against mediocre players and though he does have plus athleticism that's going to be much less of a factor in the NBA where most have plus athleticism. He can't shoot, has other offensive issues and will be limited to defending 3s and 2s and against the best of those at the college level he was smashed anyway. He's a role player at the next level, a beta who will be drafted too high when alphas are there on the board for the taking. He's clearly not anywhere near the prospect Fultz is, as Sean Derenthal says, there's Fultz then "a giant gap", which is the reason why Fultz has been perched on top of most draft boards for the best part of a year.

Would Hinkie try and trade up to get Fultz in this current situation? I think he would. This is the ultimate process move; because getting the best young players is what the process is all about.

Embiid is 23. I think fit has nothing related to age and Lowry fits well with Biid and Simmons' game.

So you're going to pay something like $200 mill for a 31 year old who will be past it and nearer 40 than 30 years of age when Simmons and Embiid are in their primes vs paying a much better 19 year old prospect with better measurables rookie $ that you have locked up for 9 years? Yeah, that sounds like a great thing to do. That was exactly the thing I was hoping Colangelo would not do when he came in here but suspected he would.

[PLO]

The only reluctance I have with trading the LA pick is it essentially removes us from the Doncic sweepstakes. Otherwise, I'm fine with it because the odds were always going to be slim getting him and nobody else in that draft really entices me right now, also a lot of bigs.

Doncic is no lock to be top 3; the knock on him is obviously his athleticism and its a question mark that's going to continue to hang over him until he's drafted next year. I agree he's a really interesting, super-advanced prospect as is Porter. Bamba and Ayton look the best prospects to me though of the limited film I've watched of them and they're both centres. So basically even if we have a top 3 pick next year we could still be reaching for someone in that bracket vs getting someone this year who is the absolute stud from this class who fills a gaping hole on our roster.

[Ericb5]

Why are we doing Ainge a favor and gifting extra picks to him?
I agree that on pick-wise, the value of #1 may be equal to #3 plus another top-5 pick next year.
BUT on player-wise, Fultz is not worth Jackson/Ball plus another top-5 pick next year.

People overrate the value of "top" draft picks especially those that are in the 3 to 10 range. If it's not pick 1 or maybe even 2... then you aren't guaranteed anything... never mind potential picks in 2018 and 2019 where we really have no idea yet who is going to be worthy.

It's because they are faceless. Once you put an actual player against a number suddenly the value decreases. For instance... replace "pick 3" and "pick 6" with the names Jahil Okafor and Nerlens Noel instead. Now ask yourself whether it would be crazy to trade that for the number 1 pick in the draft? You would do it every day of the week.

It's going to be no use afterwards us looking back and going damn I wish we'd given away that high draft pick we wanted to keep so badly that only got us Dante Exum or Mario Hezonja or Cody Zeller or Thomas Robinson.

Exactly. I agree 100% with you.

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

I think the Lakers pick will be 5-10 next year. They have some good young players, veterans and well, they are the Lakers. Sacramento always sucks, and they dont have potential to be decent in 2019 . Who is his potential star ? Buddy Hield? Fox? Nah, they will suck.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better.

I dont agree with you. I like Jackson, but in my opinion his ceiling is Iguodala. I think he is a little bit overrated.

I love Fultz, and i think he can be our potential Irving. He can be a perennial All star.

I think that Fultz and Jackson both have allstar potential. If we had the number one pick I would be ok with Fultz over Jackson even though that wouldn't be my preference. It's the trading of a likely top 5 pick next year in addition to Jackson that I don't like.

In the end I'll be excited to have Fultz and will be rooting for it to work out.

If that Lakers pick turns into someone like Ayton though it will go down in history as a very lopsided deal like the Stauskus deal or the Billy King deal.

At this point we don't even know the cost of this move. Hell, it could be the Lakers pick AND the Kings pick!



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[Simmons25]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

In the end it could be the same value though. It is an embarrassment of riches, and a consolidation trade makes sense, but that generally means that an established player is coming back.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better. This is the ultimate fit over talent move, and as Hinkie preached, it isn't how a move turns out that should be remembered, but rather the information that was available at the time, and whether or not there was a sound decision making process.

That philosophy won on Embiid, and lost on Okafor, but over the long haul it makes for better results.

You don't just flail about and then hope to be judged on how it turns out.

Ainge is playing the long game like Hinkie did. Colangelo is cashing in some house money from bets placed by Hinkie. In a sense he is getting Fultz for MCW, cap space and the 5th pick.

Ainge just keeps the Billy King gravy train flowing by taking advantage of average GM's. What bugs me more than anything is the losing on points aspect of this deal, and not because I dislike Fultz. I love Fultz as a prospect, and he is a perfect fit next to Simmons.

We are Vlade Divac in this deal.

Also does this take us out of the running for one of the free agent point guards like Lowry or Jrue? That is another aspect of this because those guys could have been had for just cap space.


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You draft for talent

You trade for fit

Can someone tweet/text this again to BC?

Although Fultz seems like fit and talent?

Yes that's the crazy thing. Fultz is both the most talent and the best fit. It's a no brainer to move up for him.

If you draft for talent rather than fit thought you will end up doing what OKC had with Durant, Westbrook and Harden. It just didn't work. They get Harden at pick 3... sits his butt on the bench for 3 years because you drafted for talent... suddenly he wants a starting spot and the max and they couldn't offer him either as he was a 6th man.

[Ericb5]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

In the end it could be the same value though. It is an embarrassment of riches, and a consolidation trade makes sense, but that generally means that an established player is coming back.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better. This is the ultimate fit over talent move, and as Hinkie preached, it isn't how a move turns out that should be remembered, but rather the information that was available at the time, and whether or not there was a sound decision making process.

That philosophy won on Embiid, and lost on Okafor, but over the long haul it makes for better results.

You don't just flail about and then hope to be judged on how it turns out.

Ainge is playing the long game like Hinkie did. Colangelo is cashing in some house money from bets placed by Hinkie. In a sense he is getting Fultz for MCW, cap space and the 5th pick.

Ainge just keeps the Billy King gravy train flowing by taking advantage of average GM's. What bugs me more than anything is the losing on points aspect of this deal, and not because I dislike Fultz. I love Fultz as a prospect, and he is a perfect fit next to Simmons.

We are Vlade Divac in this deal.

Also does this take us out of the running for one of the free agent point guards like Lowry or Jrue? That is another aspect of this because those guys could have been had for just cap space.




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How does a 31 year old Kyle Lowry fit with Embiid and Simmons at 22 and 21 years of age?

The Jackson faults are done over here repeatedly, but to reiterate a few of them: he's over a year older than Fultz and has only dominated against mediocre players and though he does have plus athleticism that's going to be much less of a factor in the NBA where most have plus athleticism. He can't shoot, has other offensive issues and will be limited to defending 3s and 2s and against the best of those at the college level he was smashed anyway. He's a role player at the next level, a beta who will be drafted too high when alphas are there on the board for the taking. He's clearly not anywhere near the prospect Fultz is, as Sean Derenthal says, there's Fultz then "a giant gap", which is the reason why Fultz has been perched on top of most draft boards for the best part of a year.

Would Hinkie try and trade up to get Fultz in this current situation? I think he would. This is the ultimate process move; because getting the best young players is what the process is all about.

If the trade up was for a franchise player like Simmons or Towns then yes it would be a process move. I don't agree with the gap theory with Fultz though, and I wouldn't expect Hinkie to either.

Ainge is making the process move.

I feel like I did when Chip Kelly started making Eagles roster moves that were out of nowhere. That ended horribly. Hopefully this ends better.


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[Simmons25]

At this point we don't even know the cost of this move. Hell, it could be the Lakers pick AND the Kings pick!

If it's that, then I'd want Colangelo's head carried out on a stick. I couldn't possibly see that being the case.... and nobody here could agree that's a good trade.

[timLH]

1. I believe fit is something about style of play instead of age. NBA is not a U18 or U21 league, every teams have their young guys and veterans.
2. I like Lowry as a player and think he can get a 25m/yr deal from some teams.
3. I love Fultz and definitely want him on our roster, but not at the price of #3 and the 2018 LAL pick.

[Ericb5]

How does a 31 year old Kyle Lowry fit with Embiid and Simmons at 22 and 21 years of age?

The Jackson faults are done over here repeatedly, but to reiterate a few of them: he's over a year older than Fultz and has only dominated against mediocre players and though he does have plus athleticism that's going to be much less of a factor in the NBA where most have plus athleticism. He can't shoot, has other offensive issues and will be limited to defending 3s and 2s and against the best of those at the college level he was smashed anyway. He's a role player at the next level, a beta who will be drafted too high when alphas are there on the board for the taking. He's clearly not anywhere near the prospect Fultz is, as Sean Derenthal says, there's Fultz then "a giant gap", which is the reason why Fultz has been perched on top of most draft boards for the best part of a year.

Would Hinkie try and trade up to get Fultz in this current situation? I think he would. This is the ultimate process move; because getting the best young players is what the process is all about.

Embiid is 23. I think fit has nothing related to age and Lowry fits well with Biid and Simmons' game.

So you're going to pay something like $200 mill for a 31 year old who will be past it and nearer 40 than 30 years of age when Simmons and Embiid are in their primes vs paying a much better 19 year old prospect with better measurables rookie $ that you have locked up for 9 years? Yeah, that sounds like a great thing to do. That was exactly the thing I was hoping Colangelo would not do when he came in here but suspected he would.

That's a risk of course, but Embiid is ready to lead a contender already if he can stay on the floor. I think that skews the age gap math.


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[PLO]

The Lakers pick has more current value than the kings pick simply because the Kings might improve more in 2 years than the Lakers will in 1.

In the end it could be the same value though. It is an embarrassment of riches, and a consolidation trade makes sense, but that generally means that an established player is coming back.

Fultz is an unknown that doesn't have a higher ceiling or less risk than Jackson. He just fits better. This is the ultimate fit over talent move, and as Hinkie preached, it isn't how a move turns out that should be remembered, but rather the information that was available at the time, and whether or not there was a sound decision making process.

That philosophy won on Embiid, and lost on Okafor, but over the long haul it makes for better results.

You don't just flail about and then hope to be judged on how it turns out.

Ainge is playing the long game like Hinkie did. Colangelo is cashing in some house money from bets placed by Hinkie. In a sense he is getting Fultz for MCW, cap space and the 5th pick.

Ainge just keeps the Billy King gravy train flowing by taking advantage of average GM's. What bugs me more than anything is the losing on points aspect of this deal, and not because I dislike Fultz. I love Fultz as a prospect, and he is a perfect fit next to Simmons.

We are Vlade Divac in this deal.

Also does this take us out of the running for one of the free agent point guards like Lowry or Jrue? That is another aspect of this because those guys could have been had for just cap space.




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How does a 31 year old Kyle Lowry fit with Embiid and Simmons at 22 and 21 years of age?

The Jackson faults are done over here repeatedly, but to reiterate a few of them: he's over a year older than Fultz and has only dominated against mediocre players and though he does have plus athleticism that's going to be much less of a factor in the NBA where most have plus athleticism. He can't shoot, has other offensive issues and will be limited to defending 3s and 2s and against the best of those at the college level he was smashed anyway. He's a role player at the next level, a beta who will be drafted too high when alphas are there on the board for the taking. He's clearly not anywhere near the prospect Fultz is, as Sean Derenthal says, there's Fultz then "a giant gap", which is the reason why Fultz has been perched on top of most draft boards for the best part of a year.

Would Hinkie try and trade up to get Fultz in this current situation? I think he would. This is the ultimate process move; because getting the best young players is what the process is all about.

If the trade up was for a franchise player like Simmons or Towns then yes it would be a process move. I don't agree with the gap theory with Fultz though, and I wouldn't expect Hinkie to either.

Ainge is making the process move.

I feel like I did when Chip Kelly started making Eagles roster moves that were out of nowhere. That ended horribly. Hopefully this ends better.


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Well, I, like a lot of people, think Fultz is a franchise player - some would even take him over Simmons if they were both in the same draft (I'd take Simmons though). They're very close in talent.

Ainge is just making a move that he thinks fits in with the timeline and makeup of his roster. They have a bevy of guards and an older roster. They were the number one seeds in the East this year; they need a few established talents to be in the mix to get over the Lebron hump including a Lebron stopper (Butler). The move makes sense for the Celtics if that's their plan.

I don't really understand the Chip Kelly comparison given this is the one trade we will hopefully make and we have all other of our pieces - and besides its a fraught exercise comparing two different sports especially one in which roster sizes are massively different and picking talent outside of the first round is much more important in the NFL compared to the NBA.

[Ericb5]

How does a 31 year old Kyle Lowry fit with Embiid and Simmons at 22 and 21 years of age?

The Jackson faults are done over here repeatedly, but to reiterate a few of them: he's over a year older than Fultz and has only dominated against mediocre players and though he does have plus athleticism that's going to be much less of a factor in the NBA where most have plus athleticism. He can't shoot, has other offensive issues and will be limited to defending 3s and 2s and against the best of those at the college level he was smashed anyway. He's a role player at the next level, a beta who will be drafted too high when alphas are there on the board for the taking. He's clearly not anywhere near the prospect Fultz is, as Sean Derenthal says, there's Fultz then "a giant gap", which is the reason why Fultz has been perched on top of most draft boards for the best part of a year.

Would Hinkie try and trade up to get Fultz in this current situation? I think he would. This is the ultimate process move; because getting the best young players is what the process is all about.

If the trade up was for a franchise player like Simmons or Towns then yes it would be a process move. I don't agree with the gap theory with Fultz though, and I wouldn't expect Hinkie to either.

Ainge is making the process move.

I feel like I did when Chip Kelly started making Eagles roster moves that were out of nowhere. That ended horribly. Hopefully this ends better.


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Well, I, like a lot of people, think Fultz is a franchise player - some would even take him over Simmons if they were both in the same draft (I'd take Simmons though). They're very close in talent.

Ainge is just making a move that he thinks fits in with the timeline and makeup of his roster. They have a bevy of guards and an older roster. They were the number one seeds in the East this year; they need a few established talents to be in the mix to get over the Lebron hump including a Lebron stopper (Butler). The move makes sense for the Celtics if that's their plan.

I don't really understand the Chip Kelly comparison given this is the one trade we will hopefully make and we have all other of our pieces - and besides its a fraught exercise comparing two different sports especially one in which roster sizes are massively different and picking talent outside of the first round is much more important in the NFL compared to the NBA.

The Chip Kelly comparison is the crazy poor value trade that you are forced to be patient with.

When he traded McCoy for Alonzo it was a crazy deal.

Look at it this way. If Ayton /Donic and Jackson were already on our roster, would we make this deal? No way.

That Lakers pick is unprotected, and if we trade it then we better hope that they suddenly improve and it turns into the 10th pick.


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[GabeCerebro]

There is a very fair trade to be made here and I know there is no way it is going to happen. Colangelo is going to get steam rolled.

Which is fine... The purpose of assets are to eventually cash them in... Fultz is that final piece. Anyone that can't see that , oh well. Your problem. Excellent move by Colangelo, whatever it is that he gives up. The fact that there are no players involved is enormous... Our chemistry is already great. Keep it going. It's simple. The time is now, not later.... Get the perfect fit potential superstar in Fultz... By using your excess.

[GabeCerebro]

People is really obsessed with Lakers pick. I am the only one that prefers keep the Sacramento pick?

I am a Colangelo hater, but if he can get Fultz.... wow

I dont like next year's draft

How can you say that now already?

He can't.. A majority of this fanbase acts like they're HOF level GM's and it's hilarious.

[PLO]

If the trade up was for a franchise player like Simmons or Towns then yes it would be a process move. I don't agree with the gap theory with Fultz though, and I wouldn't expect Hinkie to either.

Ainge is making the process move.

I feel like I did when Chip Kelly started making Eagles roster moves that were out of nowhere. That ended horribly. Hopefully this ends better.


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Well, I, like a lot of people, think Fultz is a franchise player - some would even take him over Simmons if they were both in the same draft (I'd take Simmons though). They're very close in talent.

Ainge is just making a move that he thinks fits in with the timeline and makeup of his roster. They have a bevy of guards and an older roster. They were the number one seeds in the East this year; they need a few established talents to be in the mix to get over the Lebron hump including a Lebron stopper (Butler). The move makes sense for the Celtics if that's their plan.

I don't really understand the Chip Kelly comparison given this is the one trade we will hopefully make and we have all other of our pieces - and besides its a fraught exercise comparing two different sports especially one in which roster sizes are massively different and picking talent outside of the first round is much more important in the NFL compared to the NBA.

The Chip Kelly comparison is the crazy poor value trade that you are forced to be patient with.

When he traded McCoy for Alonzo it was a crazy deal.

Look at it this way. If Ayton /Donic and Jackson were already on our roster, would we make this deal? No way.

That Lakers pick is unprotected, and if we trade it then we better hope that they suddenly improve and it turns into the 10th pick.


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Doncic would be a good fit with us - how does Ayton fit with Embiid on the roster? How does Jackson fit with what we have, let alone the fact he's just not a good prospect for top 3 in this draft?

[kriss73]

The Eagles GM who gave up multiple first round picks for a boom or bust high pick (the #2), is Roseman not Kelly.

[76ciology]

I dont like next year's draft

How can you say that now already?

He can't.. A majority of this fanbase acts like they're HOF level GM's and it's hilarious.

Who do you like for our team in next year's draft?

I DONT LIKE DONCIC
I DONT LIKE PORTER
I DONT LIKE AYTON
I DONT LIKE BAMBA
I DONT LIKE WILLIAMS
I DONT LIKE BRIDGES
I DONT LIKE CARTER
I DONT LIKE BOMGA
I DONT LIKE JACKSON

BUT I LIKE TO SEX TON.




But seriously look at it

[bedjawII]

I see zero chance that any deal doesn't include the Lakers pick or the Sacto pick. Personally, I would prefer it to be Philly's picks, but so long as the deal does not include someone like Saric and multiple #1's in addition to the #3 this year, I would trade either the Lakers or Sacto pick to get this done. Not both, but one. If Fultz is the star they think he can be and it only involves one other #1 pick, at some point Philly will have to start moving those picks anyway and won't be able to sign Simmons, Fultz, Embiid, and Saric eventually anyway. Besides, if it's the Lakers pick and they start next year like they finished last year, while Ingram develops, that pick may not be in same range as it was this year. With Sacto, who knows in two years, but we know what Fultz is now.

Yup. You seem to get it. There's a lot of BC bashing and fear mongoring but not a lot of objectivity. Fultz is clearly the 1 pick in this draft who you can project as a stud. Plus he's exactly what the sixers need. By drafting him and not giving up Roco or Saric you've just given yourself the opportunity to compete for the next 10 years. With the future picks the most you have is a 25% chance of getting a player you want and need. By making this trade you are 100% certain you get the player you want and need. The price will be steep but that's the cost of doing business. All of this is dependent on what you feel Fultz is as a player. Clearly BC and Co feel he's got a great chance to be a stud.

[76ciology]

It's basically..

It's a good deal if..
- Fultz is tier 1 and there's a gap between him and jackson
- 2018 draft isn't good

It's a bad deal if..
- Fultz and Jackson is in the same tier

Ainge and BC basically is on a coin toss betting between Fultz vs Jackson's value

[Unbreakable99]

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[PLO]

How can you say that now already?

He can't.. A majority of this fanbase acts like they're HOF level GM's and it's hilarious.

Who do you like for our team in next year's draft?

I DONT LIKE DONCIC
I DONT LIKE PORTER
I DONT LIKE AYTON
I DONT LIKE BAMBA
I DONT LIKE WILLIAMS
I DONT LIKE BRIDGES
I DONT LIKE CARTER
I DONT LIKE BOMGA
I DONT LIKE JACKSON

BUT I LIKE TO SEX TON.




But seriously look at it

Troy Brown if we have a pick out of the lottery and he proves he can shoot this year, which may mean he's lottery bound and thus out of reach anyway.

[Chris76]

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Boston wants Jimmy Butler, He fits well with IT and the rest of their team. However, with 3 teams involved anything could happen. Boston has the leverage over the Sixers, but Chicago has the leverage over Boston and it seems like the deals improve all 3. I hope it gets done, Fultz is a shooter and playmaker (Harden-like) that an overpay is justified to accelerate the process.