Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

GoCeltics123 · Post #461 » by **GoCeltics123** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:53 pm

76ciology wrote:
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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

So... Celts has Jackson over Lonzo?

ALL TOP 3 teams have Lonzo at 3rd now?

BELIEVE DAT

I think Lavar is actually hurting his stock

Post #462 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:53 pm

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smittybanton wrote:Exactly as I suspected. Good job, Bryan. Stay strong! Celtics want LA18, and BC won't give it to them. They have till draft night to come up with a package where we give #3, Okafor, and one of our own picks to facilitate a trade to Chicago. That's also enough time for Phoenix and Sacramento to decide what they're going to do. For all my criticism of BC, he is not Billy King, and doesn't want to be perceived as such. Stay strong, B!

Hate to say it dude, Draft Express said Ainge would only do this if he had a "Brooklyn-type fleece". I'd be stunned if LA 18 isn't in there if this happens.

Woj, the GOAT, even said the basis of the deal is #3 and LA18. Steve Kyler said another future philly pick is possible too.

Yeah not including the Lakers pick is a pipe dream.

Hopefully we would be able to put some protection on that future Sixers pick as a failsafe. Giving away multiple unprotected future picks is kind of unheard of post Billy King.

GoCeltics123 · Post #463 » by **GoCeltics123** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:56 pm

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More news, this trade is contingent on other stuff

GoCeltics123 · Post #464 » by **GoCeltics123** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:58 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:
smittybanton wrote:Exactly as I suspected. Good job, Bryan. Stay strong! Celtics want LA18, and BC won't give it to them. They have till draft night to come up with a package where we give #3, Okafor, and one of our own picks to facilitate a trade to Chicago. That's also enough time for Phoenix and Sacramento to decide what they're going to do. For all my criticism of BC, he is not Billy King, and doesn't want to be perceived as such. Stay strong, B!

Hate to say it dude, Draft Express said Ainge would only do this if he had a "Brooklyn-type fleece". I'd be stunned if LA 18 isn't in there if this happens.

Woj, the GOAT, even said the basis of the deal is #3 and LA18. Steve Kyler said another future philly pick is possible too.

Yeah not including the Lakers pick is a pipe dream.

Hopefully we would be able to put some protection on that future Sixers pick as a failsafe. Giving away multiple unprotected future picks is kind of unheard of post Billy King.

Yep, Billy King is hailed as a hero for Celtics fans. If the trade happens and Fultz doesn't pan out/Jackson is better, Colangelo will be too

Ad7 · Post #465 » by **Ad7** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:58 pm

Rebuilding Bulls in: ok4 and 2019 sac pick, plus our 2 coming years picks top 3 protected.
Contending Celtics in: J Butler, plus fillers e.g. t splitters, j anderson, g henderson or tj...
Sixers in: 2017 #1.

All win.
We are having #1 Fultz and #3 Jackson for this draft.

Post #466 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:59 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
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Well, the future picks is whole thing, right? I mean including the #3 and the LAL pick is already, in some sense, an overpay. Anything more than that almost definitely is - which is why I'm saying the question becomes how much is the overpay? I agree there's some question about the amount of leverage, but the reality is that Boston CAN still just draft him outright, which is almost leverage enough on its own, right?

The #1 pick is traded so infrequently that I don't think you can really gauge a consistent value for it. I think whether or not its an overpay depends in large part on one's opinion of Fultz and Jackson.

Also think people overrate the potential upside of that Lakers pick. There's a whole offseason, 82 games, then a lottery. It's most expected outcome is probably like the 6th pick.

Yeah, you cant really have a #1 pick value chart. The value of the #1 pick in 2023 will be as valuable as the best prospect available that year. The value of the top pick this year is much lower than almost any other year. In 2013, Noel, Oladipo, and Bennett was extremely low.

Ultimately, 90% of what I hear has Fultz as the consensus #1. At this point, Ainge is aware that BC really wants Fultz. It just a matter of how much.

If BC has a room full of trusted personnel people saying Fultz is WAYYY better than the other prospects, then giving up two future firsts makes sense.

I agree that the Lakers pick gets a little overvalued as untouchable assets, but the Lakers and Sac picks do have top 5 potential. I think our own 2019 pick will be later than 20 so I'm not worried about that as a throw in. Unlike the Nets, we are giving up future firsts to build around 22 year olds. We we be in the playoffs next year if Embiid is healthy. And possibly if not.

I would prob only give one of:
Sixers 2018
Lakers 2018
Sac 2019

I just like Jackson that much at 3.

Yeah, I actually said something similar on Wednesday or Thursday before this all started. If you are paying a bunch of people a decent amount of money to scout draft prospects, and they are almost all saying that Fultz is clearly the best player in the draft, the best fit etc., you kind of have to be willing to give up a decent chunk to get him. Otherwise I'm not really sure what they are doing there.

76ciology · Post #467 » by **76ciology** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:59 pm

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

So... Celts has Jackson over Lonzo?

ALL TOP 3 teams have Lonzo at 3rd now?

BELIEVE DAT

I think Lavar is actually hurting his stock

I think hype is dying that it is starting to reveal the flaws.

Woolyy · Post #468 » by **Woolyy** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:00 pm

I want Fultz, Ben, and Embiid on the same team so goddamn badly but I also think things are going to be ok if everything falls through. Of course I want the new era to start coming to fruition now but if they don't make the deal and still have #3 this year, 2018 LA and 2019 SAC then Philly is still looking good for the future. And whose to say that another deal won't present itself this time next year during the draft?

Mik317 · Post #469 » by **Mik317** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:04 pm

yall just know the Lakers will **** this up right?

Gsraider · Post #470 » by **Gsraider** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:09 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:Just a question: would you do the deal for #3, LA18 and PHI19 or PHI20? I'm curious as I would but it's a tough call

I don't know and I'm glad I don't have to make this decision. I just don't see why Philly has to give up that much. In the end, I would probably give up the LAL pick and after that, perhaps the pick owed to them from OKC in the Grant trade. I might consider the 2020 first round pick for Philly because I think it will have less value at that point, but would be reluctant without protections in 2019. What's interesting to me however, is I simply don't know what Boston wants. Are they holding off until they know if Jackson is available at #3 or are they accumulating assets for a trade to a team like Boston for an established player. I would have thought it was the latter because they simply aren't on the level of teams like CLE or GS. That's not a knock on them, but Jackson does not bridge that gap during the window that Boston has othergood players, which is right now.

Post #471 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:11 pm

Mik317 wrote:yall just know the Lakers will **** this up right?

Then we keep all the picks and take Ball. Fine either way.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #472 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:12 pm

lol this entire thread is cynicism. Either that the deal won't be made because you like it or that the deal will be made because you don't like it.

Scarred fan base is scarred.

Gsraider · Post #473 » by **Gsraider** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:12 pm

Mik317 wrote:yall just know the Lakers will **** this up right?

First off, let's just be thankful that this is coming from Pompey, who I have about as much faith in providing a scoop as I do guys like S.A. Smith and S. Kyler. It seems a little too simple to me that LA taking Jackson at #2 scuttles everything and a little too public to boot. Like I have always believed and a few others have suggested, look for Woj bombs and take everything else with a grain of salt.

KrazySixersD · Post #474 » by **KrazySixersD** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:28 pm

Just as long as we dont come away with ball in this draft Ill be fine.. scrub ball is a scrub

Skates · Post #475 » by **Skates** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:30 pm

So we pay to get Fultz or keep all of our assets and get Lonzo, total win-win in my opinion, plus I don't see Jackson cranking up the Lakers win total as he is more high end compliment piece that means more once the team is good, which they ain't, or they strip the Lakers strip the team to get Fultz, again making their pick great next year and we have Lonzo. I'm good with that, not really a huge Jackson fan, though I like him.

Unbreakable99 · Post #476 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:30 pm

I'm sorry but the more I look at Fultz the more worried I get. This guy is not explosive AT ALL. People are hyping this guy up as if he's the best prospect in years lol. He's not even the best prospect in this class. I'd be shocked if he wound up the best player in this class. Look at this weak ass drive. He barely gets the ball in the rim on this dunk. Look how slow he looks. No burst. He's just herky jerky and people confuse that with great athleticism. Please. This guy is going to have a steep learning curve. He will struggle to get his shot off. And then you just have followers who just pile on and say how great Fultz is. This guy is not a guy you trade up for let alone give up multiple first round picks. I'm furious.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #477 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:30 pm

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Post #478 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:31 pm

So this seems all but done.

kriss73 · Post #479 » by **kriss73** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:33 pm

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Complicated protection is the way.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #480 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:33 pm

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