All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2

[Captain_Caveman]

Butlers knee is toast.

We'll keep #3 who will be yet another role player.

Land Hayward or Griffin which would have happened regardless and has nothing to do with this trade.

Way to lump in irrelevant info to cover up trading away an elite prospect for more non star players.

In the words of Conor McGregor, "Who the **** is THAT guy?"

It is very fitting to use a Conor McGregor quote connected to this move because the results of this trade feel much like the results of his fight with Mayeeather....Embarassing

Conor is getting paid like 40 times what he can make for a UFC fight, and will never have to fight again.

Floyd is 40 years old and will fight a super conservative defensive fight and probably just outpoint him with jabs, like he's done with the rest of the slobs he's beaten recently. And if Conor does *anything* in that fight, or even just goes the distance or wins a round or two, he is a legend forever.

Anyhow, moving on.

[Darthlukey]

Not that it's going to happen or that I want it to happen, but could you imagine if the Celtics traded 4 of our starting 5 for picks and tanked this year out. Possibly 3 top 10 picks!

[ViperGTS]

Messed up post.

[165bows]

Side-thought: I wonder how much the Pacers are beginning to panic on PG13. His interview a few weeks ago was a disaster, they must know he will bolt for LA.

Wonder if they would give him up without BK18 involved.

Heard from a reputable reporter that Crowder/Rozier/Zeller was a good offer.

[fallguy]

Not that it's going to happen or that I want it to happen, but could you imagine if the Celtics traded 4 of our starting 5 for picks and tanked this year out. Possibly 3 top 10 picks!

Stupid Ainge would probably trade them all for Tony Allen!

[The Corey's]

Side-thought: I wonder how much the Pacers are beginning to panic on PG13. His interview a few weeks ago was a disaster, they must know he will bolt for LA.

Wonder if they would give him up without BK18 involved.

So you're willing to give up brooklyn pick for a guy by your admission is heading to lA?

[ConstableGeneva]

So what does a Butler deal look like, whichever they like least out of Brown/#3 plus Bradley?

I liked the Butler/Griffin/Hayward trio addition at the beginning of this thread but that might break the wallet/Zarren's brain. Even harder than the earlier ones we had cooked up lol.

Spoiler:

You could replace Hayward with Griffin but NOT Butler with George (need to add more pieces for salary-matching).
Non-tax, under-the-cap team.

Oh I was talking about getting all three of those guys. It would take a trade and two sign and trades, prob not remotely possible.

Oh. I don't see it happening unless you're trading away Horford for Griffin or Hayward.

[SparringPartner]

Messed up post.

2019 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 1st round pick to Boston (via Memphis) protected for selections 1-14 in 2019 and 1-14 in 2020; if the L.A. Clippers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Boston by 2020, then the L.A. Clippers will instead convey their 2022 2nd round pick to Boston [L.A. Clippers-Memphis, 2/18/2016; Boston-Memphis, 6/23/2016]


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[djFan71]

Interesting. I'd probably see if I could do AB instead of BKN18 since George is a rental. Jaylen backing up both spots is fine, then you still have top 5 2018 pick left.

Yeah, absolutely no way I'm giving up the Nets '18 for George, and including the Lakers '18 as well would be absurd

He agrees to resign in any trade we do for him.

That would help for sure. Still would rather do AB.... But, I could see IND not thrilled with LAL18, AB and ballast, with Avery expiring as well. It does get us a damn fine roster. Just seems to leave us with less avenues for improvement. AB trade, Jaylen growth is about it. I'd probably prefer just doing one trade for George after we sign Hayward. Try to keep one or 2 of the premium picks, give up AB and Jae, etc.

[The Rondo Show]

Celts will now pursue Butler while retaining two out of Jaylen/3rd pick/Nets 2018.

Plus two out of Smart/Crowder/Rozier.

Plus IT Horford, Zizic, Yabu.

Then land Hayward for Griffin in free agency.

LMAO @ THE HATERS

Yup, only I'd add that LAL/SAC pick into the first group of assets you mentioned. That thing is very likely to land in top 5 between Lakers sucking but lottery odds not being good of ever landing #1 no matter how bad you are, and the fact that it conveys into a very bad Kings team in '19 if it's not 2-5 next year. Very valuable pick. Goal should be to keep 3 of those 4 main assets in a deal for George or more likely Butler since I think George's contract situation scares us off.

Don't get the freak out over trading #1 in a year with an all-star in Fultz at the top more than a Towns/Davis/healthy Embiid esque superstar for the #3 pick and a highly likely top 5 pick in future. Just don't overpay for Butler like Bulls fans are hoping and I'm good. You can have a Big 4 that gives you a chance to beat anyone but a healthy GS on paper, and still have 3 of Brown/#3/BKN '18/LAL '18 or SAC '19 left over for future.

I'd also much rather Paul George than Butler for fit reasons with an Isaiah/Hayward duo if we pull that off, but his contract situation makes me think he's far less likely to be the target.

[SparringPartner]

Prediction;

The LAL pick protection will be for Boston, so it will protected 5-30. If Boston doesn't get a top 5 pick with the LAL 2018 pick they get 2019 SAC


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[Captain_Caveman]

Celts will now pursue Butler while retaining two out of Jaylen/3rd pick/Nets 2018.

Plus two out of Smart/Crowder/Rozier.

Plus IT Horford, Zizic, Yabu.

Then land Hayward for Griffin in free agency.

LMAO @ THE HATERS

Yup, only I'd add that LAL/SAC pick into the first group of assets you mentioned. That thing is very likely to land in top 5 between Lakers sucking but lottery odds not being good of ever landing #1 no matter how bad you are, and the fact that it conveys into a very bad Kings team in '19 if it's not 2-5 next year. Very valuable pick. Goal should be to keep 3 of those 4 main assets in a deal for George or more likely Butler since I think George's contract situation scares us off. Too bad considering he's the better fit.

Don't get the freak out over trading #1 in a year with an all-star in Fultz at the top more than a Towns/Davis/healthy Embiid esque superstar for the #3 pick and a highly likely top 5 pick in future. Just don't overpay for Butler like Bulls fans are hoping and I'm good. You can have a Big 4 that gives you a chance to beat anyone but a healthy GS on paper, and still have 3 of Brown/#3/BKN '18/LAL '18 or SAC '19 left over for future.

I'd also much rather Paul George than Butler for fit reasons, but his contract situation makes me think he's far less likely to be the target.

100% on all of that.

[JJtheBricklayer]

Dude read. It is two way protection just like Ainge did with Dallas in the Rondo trade. Ainge knows what the hell he is doing that is why he has so many other team's picks.

Hes fine at getting the picks, its turning them into talent that he hasnt done recently. The 76ers now have 3 players with more talent and upside then anyone on the celtics. I'm not a fan of the trade, but I could get over it, its the fact that we may have just set up the successors to the cavs in the east without winning the trade outright that irks me.

And that talent and upside has translated into what? A fired GM. Every player who is due a pay check gets traded for .25 on the dollar. The reality is that Bradley and Crowder are players the Sixers have no players. Upside has little trade value when it is attached to a guaranteed salary and headaches. Noel will get a max deal this year but nobody would give up a 1st round pick for him in a trade. World moves fast.

Its translated into the 76ers being in a better position than us for a post prime GS/Cle world. They have 3 guys who could potentially become superstars (not saying they all will but I would bet anything at least 1 of them will be a top 10 player within 3 years). In the NBA unless you are fielding superstars you have no chance to win it all, the Celtics currently have no one who is near a top 10 player and nobody who has realistic potential to be 1 (and i like brown).

You could add 2 of Butler/PG13/Hayward/Griffin and this team would STILL have no chance in hell at beating GS even if we got by Lebron. How we made this big a trade with a division rival and didnt get them to overpay blows my mind.

What if the Nets throw some cap space around win 30-35 games? THere is a very REAL possibility we land outside the top 5 in next years draft, The celtics DESPERATELY need a franchise player and we passed on the closest thing. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush...

[Shuttlesworth99]

Is it fair to say this is the make or break move of Danny's executive career?

The risk and reward of this move are monumental on both sides.

Like seriously he must have some big moves lined up this offseason or this trade just has too much risk written all over it in comparison to the reward he already had in Fultz.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Trade for Porzingis...

Pretty sure Porzingis, Horford, Hayward, Butler, IT, Brown, Zizic and Rozier fit within the cap.

[ViperGTS]

Messed up post.

2019 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 1st round pick to Boston (via Memphis) protected for selections 1-14 in 2019 and 1-14 in 2020; if the L.A. Clippers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Boston by 2020, then the L.A. Clippers will instead convey their 2022 2nd round pick to Boston [L.A. Clippers-Memphis, 2/18/2016; Boston-Memphis, 6/23/2016]


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Yup I was trying to edit it. That Clippers pick is pure garbage yet people think it's great. It's F-ing lottery protected and better yet can become a 2nd!!

That's a great deal from Danny, great deal.

[fallguy]

Shameless wall of shame bait post before I crash for the night.

Continue your reasonable assessments/emotional overreactions.

[djFan71]

Messed up post.

2019 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 1st round pick to Boston (via Memphis) protected for selections 1-14 in 2019 and 1-14 in 2020; if the L.A. Clippers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Boston by 2020, then the L.A. Clippers will instead convey their 2022 2nd round pick to Boston [L.A. Clippers-Memphis, 2/18/2016; Boston-Memphis, 6/23/2016]


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Yup I was trying to edit it. That Clippers pick is pure garbage yet people think it's great. It's F-ing lottery protected and better yet can become a 2nd!!

That's a great deal from Danny, great deal.

He got it for 2 2nd rounders.

[winsomme2]

Celts will now pursue Butler while retaining two out of Jaylen/3rd pick/Nets 2018.

Plus two out of Smart/Crowder/Rozier.

Plus IT Horford, Zizic, Yabu.

Then land Hayward for Griffin in free agency.

LMAO @ THE HATERS

Butlers knee is toast.

We'll keep #3 who will be yet another role player.

Land Hayward or Griffin which would have happened regardless and has nothing to do with this trade.

Way to lump in irrelevant info to cover up trading away an elite prospect for more non star players.

On what planet is Fultz an elite prospect, but Jackson a role player?

I am a Fultz camp guy, but Jackson has a big rep and if it wasn't for his shooting form, I would have taken him no. 1.

I am sure Ainge loves him.


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Fultz game is ready made for the NBA. Jackson is an athletic dude who played on a loaded team. His skills make him a solid prospect, just like Smart, but his lack of shooting makes him ultimately a role player IMO... just like Smart. And I like Smart just as much as the next guy for his grit and defense but not for the #1 pick in the draft.

You just don't get a shot at players like Fultz that often. This really is lunacy. I can't believe more people can't see how crazy a move this is to trade a potential future top 5 player.

[165bows]

Spoiler:

You could replace Hayward with Griffin but NOT Butler with George (need to add more pieces for salary-matching).
Non-tax, under-the-cap team.

Oh I was talking about getting all three of those guys. It would take a trade and two sign and trades, prob not remotely possible.

Oh. I don't see it happening unless you're trading away Horford for Griffin or Hayward.

It would have to be something like Bradley/#3 (signed)/D. Jackson for Butler
KO(signed at 19M descending deal)/Rozier/Mickey/Nader for Hayward
Zeller/Crowder/Amir/Jerebko for Griffin.

Would take finding teams for those last three big men though and that would take more assets.

IT-Butler-Hayward-Griffin-Horford with Smart, Brown, Zizic, and all the good future picks is a scenario worth looking into. Real problem though comes into play when they have to pay Butler/IT.