Dennis Smith Jr

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Don't think Ast/Tov rates are particularly enlightening statistics to make the point

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At the least, it shows he is unselfish and values the ball, especially when his situation warranted chucking.

Any reason he's being compared to guys that ran SG when he ran PG at Washington?

Why does it matter if they all dominated the ball in the halfcourt? I posted the assist and turnovers rates of their best seasons, too, and that accounts for any usage discrepancies.

I know you aren't a Fultz fan but c'mon. Weren't you really high on DLo a few years ago? Its almost impossible to be high on DLo and not like Fultz.

[CptCrunch]

Well DSJ is now officially my #1.

With Fultz going to Sixers, where development and career goes to die. No way Fultz ends up being the best player of this draft.

[Mr B]

I don't think it's gonna happen but if Dallas somehow found a way to walk away from draft night with DSJ and Lauri Markkanen I think they would just absolutely destory draft night and be the clear winners down the road. Because Lauri can spend a year or 2 learning directly from Dirk how to make his game work at this level, then take over for him, and play next to Nerlens who I blieve would basically be a perfect foil for all of Lauri's issues and visa-versa, I think they'd be amazing together and if you've got DSJ at the point of attack coordinating everything, dear god that could be nasty a few years from now. HB could move back towards his 3&D GSW role and that group would really be set up well imo.

that sounds friggin amazing actually.

If the Mavericks get Jrue Holiday do they still draft a guard?

Absolutely. They are looking at upgrading the entire PG position on the team not just the starter. If they sign Jrue he will obviously start right away and whatever PG they draft will come off the bench for at least the first year or two. Jrue/pick 9/Yogi would give them a very solid group of PG's.

Even if all of the PG's are gone and they have to choose from Monk/Markkanen/Collins I think they still take Monk even though he's not a PG.

[Novocaine]

Don't think Ast/Tov rates are particularly enlightening statistics to make the point

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At the least, it shows he is unselfish and values the ball, especially when his situation warranted chucking.

Assist rate is a very noisy assist. Very ball dominant players, or guys who play in a system with lots of passing/cuts (more ball movement,less self shot creation) tend to have higher assist rates than guys who are better playmakers/passers.

I agree Fultz is unselfish and takes good care of the ball - not only that, is also the best playmaker in this draft - just not because of those numbers. And counting assists underestimates him because his teammates were genuinely horrible.

As a rule of thumb, one has to be very parsimonious when using stats to evaluate draft prospects. Even more than when analysing NBA players. Much wider differences in terms of talent, systems and between current production ≠ future production.

[EvanZ]

i'm a firm believer that i can teach a kid to shoot as long as his shot isn't MKG broke. at 19 years old i'm more weary of a kid who is a 40% three point shooter than a kid who can't shoot.. the kid who can't shoot hasn't had to learn to shot yet cause no one has yet to be able to stop him from doing what he wnts to do.

lebron couldn't shot., wade still can't shot lol.

i don't want a freshman that is used to pulling up and has prefected his three point shot.. not picking in the top 10

Dennis Smith Jr. gets credit for having a great handle when that isn't the case. He doesn't have much of a break down dribble game, but he does have a crazy first step that he will use to attack an open driving lane. For The space that he needs to get his shot off he overly relies upon picks/screens and people greatly respecting his first step daring him to shoot or just simply falling asleep infront of a shooter. DSJ is not nearly as impressive of a ball handler as the guys he's commonly compared.

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. When you are super athletic with a great first step and strong as a bull, you don't necessarily need the best "handle".

[SelfishPlayer]

i'm a firm believer that i can teach a kid to shoot as long as his shot isn't MKG broke. at 19 years old i'm more weary of a kid who is a 40% three point shooter than a kid who can't shoot.. the kid who can't shoot hasn't had to learn to shot yet cause no one has yet to be able to stop him from doing what he wnts to do.

lebron couldn't shot., wade still can't shot lol.

i don't want a freshman that is used to pulling up and has prefected his three point shot.. not picking in the top 10

Dennis Smith Jr. gets credit for having a great handle when that isn't the case. He doesn't have much of a break down dribble game, but he does have a crazy first step that he will use to attack an open driving lane. For The space that he needs to get his shot off he overly relies upon picks/screens and people greatly respecting his first step daring him to shoot or just simply falling asleep infront of a shooter. DSJ is not nearly as impressive of a ball handler as the guys he's commonly compared.

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. When you are super athletic with a great first step and strong as a bull, you don't necessarily need the best "handle".

He only has a 6'3" wingspan, he is nothing like Westbrook. He doesn't play with the tireless energy of Westbrook who seems to run at full speed the entire game. DSJ uses his speed as a burst and not as a simple matter of being on a basketball court like Westbrook who never stops running super fast.

[EvanZ]

Dennis Smith Jr. gets credit for having a great handle when that isn't the case. He doesn't have much of a break down dribble game, but he does have a crazy first step that he will use to attack an open driving lane. For The space that he needs to get his shot off he overly relies upon picks/screens and people greatly respecting his first step daring him to shoot or just simply falling asleep infront of a shooter. DSJ is not nearly as impressive of a ball handler as the guys he's commonly compared.

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. When you are super athletic with a great first step and strong as a bull, you don't necessarily need the best "handle".

He only has a 6'3" wingspan, he is nothing like Westbrook. He doesn't play with the tireless energy of Westbrook who seems to run at full speed the entire game. DSJ uses his speed as a burst and not as a simple matter of being on a basketball court like Westbrook who never stops running super fast.

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. That's what I said. Referring to their handles. Am I wrong?

don't overthink it bra stay within yo lane

[EvanZ]

My personal favorite comp for DSJ right now is Raymond Felton when he was coming into the league.

[SelfishPlayer]

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. When you are super athletic with a great first step and strong as a bull, you don't necessarily need the best "handle".

He only has a 6'3" wingspan, he is nothing like Westbrook. He doesn't play with the tireless energy of Westbrook who seems to run at full speed the entire game. DSJ uses his speed as a burst and not as a simple matter of being on a basketball court like Westbrook who never stops running super fast.

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. That's what I said. Referring to their handles. Am I wrong?

don't overthink it bra stay within yo lane

No, you compared them physically, they are not similar physically and their athleticism is not similar. They are not similar stylistically on the court most importantly.

[EvanZ]

He only has a 6'3" wingspan, he is nothing like Westbrook. He doesn't play with the tireless energy of Westbrook who seems to run at full speed the entire game. DSJ uses his speed as a burst and not as a simple matter of being on a basketball court like Westbrook who never stops running super fast.

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. That's what I said. Referring to their handles. Am I wrong?

don't overthink it bra stay within yo lane

No, you compared them physically, they are not similar physically and their athleticism is not similar. They are not similar stylistically on the court most importantly.

LMAO. Here's what I actually said:

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. When you are super athletic with a great first step and strong as a bull, you don't necessarily need the best "handle".

Now, if you knew English, you would have understood that when someone says "more like" they are not saying "equals". But maybe English isn't your first language, or you just skipped that day of school. I don't know.

Unless do you want to tell me that you think DSJ is more like Curry than Russ? Do you think I'm wrong about that? By all means, I'm waiting for your answer.

[SelfishPlayer]

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. That's what I said. Referring to their handles. Am I wrong?

don't overthink it bra stay within yo lane

No, you compared them physically, they are not similar physically and their athleticism is not similar. They are not similar stylistically on the court most importantly.

LMAO. Here's what I actually said:

He's more like Westbrook than Curry. When you are super athletic with a great first step and strong as a bull, you don't necessarily need the best "handle".

Now, if you knew English, you would have understood that when someone says "more like" they are not saying "equals". But maybe English isn't your first language, or you just skipped that day of school. I don't know.

Unless do you want to tell me that you think DSJ is more like Curry than Russ? Do you think I'm wrong about that? By all means, I'm waiting for your answer.

He's like neither. Relax with requoting my name, I'm done with your struggle comparison.

[No-Man]

His handles are nearly elite, the way he can stay low and zig-zag or zip is truly impossible to stop, I don't think he is similar to Curry nor RW, if anything he is like a bigger Tim Hardaway.

[E-Balla]

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At the least, it shows he is unselfish and values the ball, especially when his situation warranted chucking.

Any reason he's being compared to guys that ran SG when he ran PG at Washington?

Why does it matter if they all dominated the ball in the halfcourt? I posted the assist and turnovers rates of their best seasons, too, and that accounts for any usage discrepancies.

I know you aren't a Fultz fan but c'mon. Weren't you really high on DLo a few years ago? Its almost impossible to be high on DLo and not like Fultz.

They didn't dominate the ball nearly as much as Fultz. He had it way more than all those other guys.

And I like Fultz. Said multiple times I think he'll be Damian Lillard level and make the All Star game yearly. Y'all mistake me thinking he can't get to the rim to me not liking him for some damn reason.

[E-Balla]

My personal favorite comp for DSJ right now is Raymond Felton when he was coming into the league.

Felton had some amazing speed but he wasn't nearly as explosive as Smith and he blew chunks at finishing (even though he had some athletic lay ins and nice breakaway dunks). Just looked it up and he was 46% in the restricted area in his first 4 years in the league. Doesn't help when you get to the rim at will but miss everything (Rubio, Brandon Jennings, etc).

[Upperclass]

DSJ's high school highlights suggest his handle will be amongst the best in the league. His speed and use of hesitations will make him near impossible to stay in front of.

His problem to me is erratic finishing at the hoop and disinterested disposition when overmatched teamwise

[Stillwater]

does Boston have enough interest in Smith to take him 3rd if Jackson goes 2 to Lakers? I am thinking he could be a solid pairing with Thomas if the Celtics decide to move on from Smart as part of trade for a vet. Not sure why they are rumored to be considering Jayson T after drafting a solid sf in J Brown last year unless he is the one on the move.

[Mr B]

I'd agree with those of you that say DSJ is similar to Lillard. Comparable size and skill. DSJ might be a little more explosive though.

[EvanZ]

I'd agree with those of you that say DSJ is similar to Lillard. Comparable size and skill. DSJ might be a little more explosive though.

Big difference is Lillard has a huge 6'8" wingspan, although you wouldn't know it the way he plays defense, so maybe it's a moot point.

[Darius Miles Davis]

Haven't read this whole thread but he reminds me of Baron Davis.


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[SeattleJazzFan]

bigger Hardaway is the best comparison so far