All things Draft Pick. #3

[tombattor]

I've read it so many times tonight, I have to ask. When did the #3 and possible top 5 picks in drafts automatically become role players? Should all drafts just stop after #1?

Because they generally are. Favors, kanter, Beal, embiid, okafor and Jaylen. Those are the recent 3rd picks. Good players for sure, but not exactly super stars. #1 picks were wall, Irving, the brow, Bennett, Wiggins, kat and Simmons. Other than Bennett who was a huge bust, others are either superstars or well on their way to becoming an all-star.

[chrisab123]

I've been coming to this board a long time and I've never had to write this until today: Danny screwed up. Faith shaken. Fultz is way better than anyone else in this draft and the Lakers will be better next year. I really don't understand this at all unless Danny is convinced Jackson is Scottie Pippen.

Championship teams are built around superstars. We had one sittingthere for the taking. He wanted to be a Celtic. And for some inexplicable reason, we let him slip through our fingers.

No there is a legitimate reason. Danny Ainge has in his head "take Josh Jackson no matter what" he's an excellent athlete who is a project offensively. He's got an excellent motor and grit though. Much in the same mold of Jaylen Justice Smart Crowder and others that he's either lusted after or acquired. I seriously believe he would deal the BRK 18 pick today for Winslow. That's his type of player if there ever was one. This is bat **** crazy right now to give up on a premier offensive talent because of his program and because you have too many guards is a crock. Danny blew his load when he saw Jackson on tape. End of story. The Woj report about Tatum is a smoke screen. He's taking Jackson and it's an awful choice. Can't wait to have him join the brick layer all stars.

There's a legitimate reason. This is the alternative path now we are going down.

[jbs]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

One more thing. We are trading with an up-and-coming rival in our division. This could backfire terribly.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Phoenix fan here and hope you guys take Jackson.

I find him hard to root for and don't like his 55 FT%.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

We just got a ticket into the Marvin Bagley sweepstakes. He's worth the risk we're taking.

[reload141]

I've been coming to this board a long time and I've never had to write this until today: Danny screwed up. Faith shaken. Fultz is way better than anyone else in this draft and the Lakers will be better next year. I really don't understand this at all unless Danny is convinced Jackson is Scottie Pippen.

Championship teams are built around superstars. We had one sittingthere for the taking. He wanted to be a Celtic. And for some inexplicable reason, we let him slip through our fingers.

No there is a legitimate reason. Danny Ainge has in his head "take Josh Jackson no matter what" he's an excellent athlete who is a project offensively. He's got an excellent motor and grit though. Much in the same mold of Jaylen Justice Smart Crowder and others that he's either lusted after or acquired. I seriously believe he would deal the BRK 18 pick today for Winslow. That's his type of player if there ever was one. This is bat **** crazy right now to give up on a premier offensive talent because of his program and because you have too many guards is a crock. Danny blew his load when he saw Jackson on tape. End of story. The Woj report about Tatum is a smoke screen. He's taking Jackson and it's an awful choice. Can't wait to have him join the brick layer all stars.

There's a legitimate reason. This is the alternative path now we are going down.

Nuh it's Tatum, but good try.

[London2Boston]

I'm awake and more calm now. It sucks to have been so high on Fultz and Ball all year, won the lotto only to trade out to third. Whatever though, I will wait for the follow up move. For the record though, we all laughed at giving Bulls or Pacers A high Lotto pick and another asset(one of the picks or Brown) at the deadline, so if that ends up being the follow up move then I reserve all right to yell Fire Ainge. If he can do it for one of the picks and something else than it's a little bit more acceptable, but I personally don't see it unless one of them are really high on Jackson/Tatum/Fox.

[Wes-J]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

One more thing. We are trading with an up-and-coming rival in our division. This could backfire terribly.

It's a pretty good bet they'll be awful still in 2019. They would absolutely have to crush the 5 and 10 picks. Look at the young talent of Minny but still sucking. They're in the West and it takes years for even good talent to mature, converting that to consistent winning.

[London2Boston]

And yeah. I think I'm rooting for Lakers to win enough for the pick to not convey. I would rather spread our seed further and have a shot in the next two drafts. Unless Brooklyn ends up being much better, then we truly are **** and need to hope for that Lakers pick.

[jbs]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

One more thing. We are trading with an up-and-coming rival in our division. This could backfire terribly.

It's a pretty good bet they'll be awful still in 2019. They would absolutely have to crush the 5 and 10 picks. Look at the young talent of Minny but still sucking. They're in the West and it takes years for even good talent to mature, converting that to consistent winning.

Yes, but we are selling the surest thing there is in the draft (the 1st pick) to a rival. I would only entertain that for an over-the-top-Chris-Webberian-offer, which this isn't. All this is just really depressing.

[ConstableGeneva]

Ryan Bernardoni on Twitter: "A word of warning to anyone who thinks this ends with Butler/PG+Max FA+Isaiah re-signed: That team could have a $100+M tax bill in 2018-19. That's ~$110M in salaries BEFORE Butler re-signed. Add in whoever is left after trade, high pick rookie deals, roster filler and $ go nuts. Play that only one year further with Butler re-signed and you go from a $300M team to a $400M team aged 30+ with very likely no titles."

Okay, I'm even more confused. What's the plan then? It's surely not that? Owners won't pay for that if the ceiling is a puncher's chance at making the Finals.

It's looking like run back the same squad from last season (minus the FAs) + #3 + Hayward/Griffin?

[TheOGJabroni]

The big question I have is, why did Ainge practically choke Amanda out in excitement when we landed the #1 pick, only to trade it just a couple weeks later?

On a serious note, I wanted Fultz bad. He looks really good but I trust Danny's judgement more than my own with simply watching highlights, so if there's a guy he liked more (whether it be another prospect or a current star player), why not trade it and receive an additional asset at the same time?

Basically, I'm holding off judgement until I see what's next.

[CelticsPride18]

I'm having a hard time accepting this trade. The return seems light. I was all in on Fultz and this sucks.

[tombattor]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

We just got a ticket into the Marvin Bagley sweepstakes. He's worth the risk we're taking.

Please. This is so typical. Every year people think there is a monster class coming and this year sucks. What's the point of drafting 3 guys in the first round every year when none of those guys turn into a franchise cornerstones? Even if there are 3 LeBrons coming out, if we don't win the lottery, you can't take him. But then we are operating under assumption that every other gm in the league is a moron and not even have a scouting team, right? Ainge is god and in ainge we trust, right? How dare anyone speak ill of our dear leader.

[reload141]

Ryan Bernardoni on Twitter: "A word of warning to anyone who thinks this ends with Butler/PG+Max FA+Isaiah re-signed: That team could have a $100+M tax bill in 2018-19. That's ~$110M in salaries BEFORE Butler re-signed. Add in whoever is left after trade, high pick rookie deals, roster filler and $ go nuts. Play that only one year further with Butler re-signed and you go from a $300M team to a $400M team aged 30+ with very likely no titles."

Okay, I'm even more confused. What's the plan then? It's surely not that? Owners won't pay for that if the ceiling is a puncher's chance at making the Finals.

It's looking like run back the same squad from last season (minus the FAs) + #3 + Hayward/Griffin?

Need cap expert Smitty to confirm... are Cavs even at that?

[Bar Fight]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

We just got a ticket into the Marvin Bagley sweepstakes. He's worth the risk we're taking.

Yeah, because we're totally winning the lottery again.

[London2Boston]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

We just got a ticket into the Marvin Bagley sweepstakes. He's worth the risk we're taking.

Yeah, because we're totally winning the lottery again.

It could happen. We would probably trade it again, but hey..it could happen.

[ConstableGeneva]

Ryan Bernardoni on Twitter: "A word of warning to anyone who thinks this ends with Butler/PG+Max FA+Isaiah re-signed: That team could have a $100+M tax bill in 2018-19. That's ~$110M in salaries BEFORE Butler re-signed. Add in whoever is left after trade, high pick rookie deals, roster filler and $ go nuts. Play that only one year further with Butler re-signed and you go from a $300M team to a $400M team aged 30+ with very likely no titles."

Okay, I'm even more confused. What's the plan then? It's surely not that? Owners won't pay for that if the ceiling is a puncher's chance at making the Finals.

It's looking like run back the same squad from last season (minus the FAs) + #3 + Hayward/Griffin?

Need cap expert Smitty to confirm... are Cavs even at that?

I doubt it. They got JR/Kyrie/Love/TT signed before the cap jump.

[Murta]

Alessandro Gasparro‏ @sandrogasparro
The Sixers traded the 2017 5th pick, Michael Carter-Williams, Arturas Gudaitis, and Luka Mitrovic for the 2017 1st overall pick.

This is great, but it took them 4 miserable years to pull it off.

The big question I have is, why did Ainge practically choke Amanda out in excitement when we landed the #1 pick, only to trade it just a couple weeks later?

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don't believe this! You don't trade the 1st pick for the 3rd for one extra pick! Worst case scenario: We don't get the Laker's pick next year, Sacramento becomes half-decent in two years time and we get a pick from them in the 10-15 range. There must be something else to the trade.

We just got a ticket into the Marvin Bagley sweepstakes. He's worth the risk we're taking.

Please. This is so typical. Every year people think there is a monster class coming and this year sucks. What's the point of drafting 3 guys in the first round every year when none of those guys turn into a franchise cornerstones? Even if there are 3 LeBrons coming out, if we don't win the lottery, you can't take him. But then we are operating under assumption that every other gm in the league is a moron and not even have a scouting team, right? Ainge is god and in ainge we trust, right? How dare anyone speak ill of our dear leader.

Do you know what the only guaranteed way to win the lottery is? Buy enough tickets.

I think we didn't get enough value back, but I'm not gunna sit here and bitch and moan about it. Ainge obviously didn't love Fultz. Oh well.