All things Draft Pick. #3

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

One thing I don't get: If Ainge is planning to trade the #3, when is the trade?

-- Finalizing the deal Monday makes little sense (assuming that actually happens) unless he's planning to trade the pick further.
-- Trading the pick for an established star might make more sense in July (greater maneuvering flexibility despite losing Zeller's contract) than it does now.

Of course, neither of those objections applies if he trades the pick down further.

Has to be the plan to trade back and come out with a pick this year of their own and another asset big enough to headline for an All-Star.

I agree, they're going to get their guy, whether it's Jackson (who i'm in on) or Tatum and also look to swing a trade for Butler/PG13 that isn't comprised of a really valuable future draft pick. No way the Bulls are getting any brooklyn picks or a lakers pick or a kings 19 pick. They can get the Clippers pick, or a low end lottery pick and parts, but that's the extent of it.

[DK-All Day]

I can't believe I'm saying this:

I hope Lonzo Ball is available for our pick. No a big fan of Tatum or Jackson.

[return2glory]

With this trade going down most everyone here has been kind of selfish and only thinking about themselves.

Has anyone stopped and thought how Ex feels. First he lost Piece to a trade to the Nets then to retirement. Now he has lost his mini Pierce in Fultz.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I can't believe I'm saying this:

I hope Lonzo Ball is available for our pick. No a big fan of Tatum or Jackson.

There is zero chance Lakers pass on ball.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

With this trade going down most everyone here has been kind of selfish and only thinking about themselves.

Has anyone stopped and though how Ex feels. First he lost Piece to a trade to the Nets then to retirement. Now he has lost his mini Pierce in Fultz.

He will find someone new to obsess over.

[Edug27]

I can't believe I'm saying this:

I hope Lonzo Ball is available for our pick. No a big fan of Tatum or Jackson.

There is zero chance Lakers pass on ball.

Just as there was zero chance Danny passed on Fultz.

[Ben-N1ce]

Celtics biggest needs were guys that can score and fultz seemed to be the guy that could help with that. This opens the door to give Thomas a supermax and next year we're going to have to watch him be pretty much be the only scoring option on this team. And no I don't think there's any chance Hayward or Griffin sign ever either.

Ainge got way too cute with this trade. I hate it.

Tatum can score

In college..He will never be a star. He's too slow to go off consistently in the NBA and didn't even like to shoot deep on top of that.

[London2Boston]

Why do so many want to trade even lower? Not a chance you get a stud in a trade for 5 or 10 and having gone from consensus number one to a couple projects/role players would be underwhelming.

[The Corey's]

I can't believe I'm saying this:

I hope Lonzo Ball is available for our pick. No a big fan of Tatum or Jackson.

There is zero chance Lakers pass on ball.

I thought that about Celtics with fultz

[Banks2Pierce]

High school mix tapes are fun but a lot of the times the next great thing becomes just another guy.

Yeah, I've learned to tune people out when they hype up 16 year olds until I've seen them. Feel like Rabb was getting hyped as the next KG at one point and then I watch him and he's like 38 year old PJ Brown.

[greenroom31]

One item that seems to have gotten lost a bit in the fray of trading the #1 pick is this:

Why the **** are we working out DSJ and Markannen? Those are guys expected to go in the 7-10 range on most mock sites. I don't buy that we're just doing thorough due diligence for the #3 pick and that someone like Markannen would even be in consideration there.

Combine that data point with the Celtics decision to agree to this deal on Monday rather than letting it ride up until the draft in hopes of getting a better offer from the 76ers, and give me 1 second so I can get out my jump to conclusions mat:



I believe the Celtics are looking at getting back at pick in the mid-to-late lottery as part of whatever bigger move they might be making. That means Sacramento, Orlando, Minnesota, NYK, Dallas, Charlotte, and Detroit are all teams we might look to trade with to get one of their veteran stars (or the closest thing they have to one) while doing a pick swap and throwing in salaries to make the deal work. Or you could imagine a 3 way deal where one of the young talented pieces from a team like Minnesota or Orlando (for example) goes to Chicago or Indiana, in exchange for the #3 pick while we take back the MIN/ORL pick and get Butler... in addition to sending out other players, picks etc. as appropriate.

Anyway, I know I'm connecting some loosely grouped dots here, but I think this makes sense.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I can't believe I'm saying this:

I hope Lonzo Ball is available for our pick. No a big fan of Tatum or Jackson.

There is zero chance Lakers pass on ball.

Just as there was zero chance Danny passed on Fultz.

Hey I had concerns Ainge was not taking Fultz after the Celtics got the first pick.. I mean I knew the pickm could be traded but I figured Ainge would get a player back in return and not more freaking picks.

[ajones9219]

After getting a little sleep and logically thinking about it, this is pretty simple and people are overthinking it way too much. Bottom line is Ainge wasn't in love with Fultz at #1. He knew he could get "the guy" he wants at #3. And why not get an additional asset in the meantime. I don't see him trading it for PG or Butler. Not happening. If he would, he would have done it at the trade deadline. As for why did he do it now? Perhaps the Sixers put a deadline on it? Maybe he's gonna make other moves involving players. Who knows? But this is clear cut, IMO. He likes someone he can get at #3, add an asset and create some cap space for FA.

I feel like thats a big risk to lose out on whoever the guy Ainge has 1 if he trades early.....Nobody knows what the Lakers are doing at this point so if there was a guy he was sold on I feel like he would just take him at 1.

[greenroom31]

Here it is -- the 12-hours-late A. Sherrod bomb:

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/reports-boston-celtics-will-trade-no-1-pick-76ers-monday

[Banks2Pierce]

Why do so many want to trade even lower? Not a chance you get a stud in a trade for 5 or 10 and having gone from consensus number one to a couple projects/role players would be underwhelming.

Feel like this is proof that people seem to be falling in love with the number of the pick rather than the player IMO. If the Kings are trading up for Fox, one of the wings Ainge really likes and has on the Fultz tier will fall to 5 and this draft has a broad tier of really good players up to 11.

[winsomme2]

After getting a little sleep and logically thinking about it, this is pretty simple and people are overthinking it way too much. Bottom line is Ainge wasn't in love with Fultz at #1. He knew he could get "the guy" he wants at #3. And why not get an additional asset in the meantime. I don't see him trading it for PG or Butler. Not happening. If he would, he would have done it at the trade deadline. As for why did he do it now? Perhaps the Sixers put a deadline on it? Maybe he's gonna make other moves involving players. Who knows? But this is clear cut, IMO. He likes someone he can get at #3, add an asset and create some cap space for FA.

Let me put this in perspective from where I'm sitting:

Danny just traded the next Kyrie Irving for Nicolas Batum. Batum is a really nice player. Athletic, skilled defensively, good in transition, and can score at times, but never will be an elite player.

For me, Fultz is going to tear it up and Jackson is going to be a solid starter. That is not prospects that are close in ability like Danny apparently is saying.

If you disagree with my evaluation, fine, but if you agree, you'd be flipping out too because a Kyrie Irving type on this team would help this team take a huge leap forward.

[Froob]

Has Ainge even met with Jackson? I think we worked out Tatum didn't we?

[London2Boston]

I can't believe I'm saying this:

I hope Lonzo Ball is available for our pick. No a big fan of Tatum or Jackson.

It's not going to happen, but that would salvage it. Lonzo,Brown and whoever we get next year or the year after could be promising. Jackson and Tatum is a big meh for me really unless we get a combo of Doncic,Porter,,Ayton or Zion Williamson, but even then it would rely heavily on Jaylen Brown becoming an absolute stud to match up with Philly and other ranking teams long term.

[ConstableGeneva]

Remember the time when all we had to do was keep the #1 pick and make the pick on draft night? Ah, life was so much simpler then haha. Now...

[Banks2Pierce]

Danny just traded the next Kyrie Irving for Nicolas Batum.

This is funny to me because one of my concerns about Fultz was that he'd be a Kyrie. An outstanding offensive player, but his defense is bad enough so that he never sniffs top 10 player.