All things Draft Pick. #3

[canman1971]

After getting a little sleep and logically thinking about it, this is pretty simple and people are overthinking it way too much. Bottom line is Ainge wasn't in love with Fultz at #1. He knew he could get "the guy" he wants at #3. And why not get an additional asset in the meantime. I don't see him trading it for PG or Butler. Not happening. If he would, he would have done it at the trade deadline. As for why did he do it now? Perhaps the Sixers put a deadline on it? Maybe he's gonna make other moves involving players. Who knows? But this is clear cut, IMO. He likes someone he can get at #3, add an asset and create some cap space for FA.

I feel like thats a big risk to lose out on whoever the guy Ainge has 1 if he trades early.....Nobody knows what the Lakers are doing at this point so if there was a guy he was sold on I feel like he would just take him at 1.

Ever think he likes 2 guys equally and it doesn't matter who the Lakers pick? I'm pretty sure Ainge has more information on all of this than this entire site combined. I'm not saying I love it or hate it, but Ainge obviously has some plan, which includes way more variable than all the whiners on this board and hacks in the media. Whether he is successful or not cannot be judged now, only when the plan is complete. But he's got a pretty good success rate.

[Froob]

Anyone else think we move up to #1? IT, #3, next year's Brooklyn, Lakers-Kings pick, Smart and Crowder?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Remember the time when all we had to do was keep the #1 pick and make the pick on draft night? Ah, life was so much simpler then haha. Now...

those days were nice days. there may be nicer ones soon tho

[CeltsfaninDC]

The problem I have with this trade is I don't believe there is a follow up. Not George not Butler. On top of that i have sick of seeing Ainge burn picks because he cannot move them.

Still cannot believe the Wyc signed off on this trade. Takes a lot of balls to trade then number pick in the same division..

after everything Ainge has done you don't THINK there is a follow up here? SMH

[DK-All Day]

Anyone else think we move up to #1? IT, #3, next year's Brooklyn, Lakers-Kings pick, Smart and Crowder?

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[Jaqua92]

After getting a little sleep and logically thinking about it, this is pretty simple and people are overthinking it way too much. Bottom line is Ainge wasn't in love with Fultz at #1. He knew he could get "the guy" he wants at #3. And why not get an additional asset in the meantime. I don't see him trading it for PG or Butler. Not happening. If he would, he would have done it at the trade deadline. As for why did he do it now? Perhaps the Sixers put a deadline on it? Maybe he's gonna make other moves involving players. Who knows? But this is clear cut, IMO. He likes someone he can get at #3, add an asset and create some cap space for FA.

Let me put this in perspective from where I'm sitting:

Danny just traded the next Kyrie Irving for Nicolas Batum. Batum is a really nice player. Athletic, skilled defensively, good in transition, and can score at times, but never will be an elite player.

For me, Fultz is going to tear it up and Jackson is going to be a solid starter. That is not prospects that are close in ability like Danny apparently is saying.

If you disagree with my evaluation, fine, but if you agree, you'd be flipping out too because a Kyrie Irving type on this team would help this team take a huge leap forward.

But that's the thing. Logic ssys to trust the pro scouts over the evaluation of me or you. Danny knows ball better thwn of us. Thats a fact.

[London2Boston]

Anyone else think we move up to #1? IT, #3, next year's Brooklyn, Lakers-Kings pick, Smart and Crowder?

Don't know if I should laugh or cry. You just know that's what would have been the asking price for us

[Jaqua92]

Anyone else think we move up to #1? IT, #3, next year's Brooklyn, Lakers-Kings pick, Smart and Crowder?

Seriously? We just traded #1. No way

[Grahf]

Now that the initial shock has worn off, I suppose my reactions were a bit melodramatic. Perhaps Lonzo is Jason Kidd, Jackson becomes a Paul George-type two-way star, and Tatum is Carmelo with a better attitude. Any one could end up being the best player in the draft.

But I'm still disappointed because Fultz seems like such a sure thing. We need another guy who can create his own shot so desperately. He has a good chance to be a Durant level scorer.

Still, Danny and his team deserve to be trusted. Here's hoping Lonzo agrees to work out with us now.

[greenroom31]

I believe the Celtics are looking at getting back at pick in the mid-to-late lottery as part of whatever bigger move they might be making. That means Sacramento, Orlando, Minnesota, NYK, Dallas, Charlotte, and Detroit are all teams we might look to trade with to get one of their veteran stars (or the closest thing they have to one) while doing a pick swap and throwing in salaries to make the deal work. Or you could imagine a 3 way deal where one of the young talented pieces from a team like Minnesota or Orlando (for example) goes to Chicago or Indiana, in exchange for the #3 pick while we take back the MIN/ORL pick and get Butler... in addition to sending out other players, picks etc. as appropriate.

Keeping with this vein, targets could include:

Detroit: Drummond
Orlando: Gordon (or Gordon goes to 3rd team in exchange for George/Butler and we get #6 while sending out other players/assets)
Charlotte: MKG (see Gordon comments above, although this seems less plausible)
Minnesota: Wiggins or LaVine? Or if Chicago still holds a flame for Dunn maybe Dunn goes to Chicago as part of a Butler deal?
NYK: Wishful thinking: Porzingis, more likely, **** Carmelo
Sacramento: Skal or WCS?
Dallas: ummm.... Harrison Barnes? (<ducks>)

[return2glory]

After getting a little sleep and logically thinking about it, this is pretty simple and people are overthinking it way too much. Bottom line is Ainge wasn't in love with Fultz at #1. He knew he could get "the guy" he wants at #3. And why not get an additional asset in the meantime. I don't see him trading it for PG or Butler. Not happening. If he would, he would have done it at the trade deadline. As for why did he do it now? Perhaps the Sixers put a deadline on it? Maybe he's gonna make other moves involving players. Who knows? But this is clear cut, IMO. He likes someone he can get at #3, add an asset and create some cap space for FA.

I'm on 4 hours of sleep for this too. Lol.

I hope you are right about keeping the pick. But the latest rumors were that the Bulls called the Sixers a few days ago when Philly had the 3rd pick. I'm sure Ainge found that out during the trade process with the Sixers. If the Bulls want the #3, Ainge isn't giving up that 3rd pick and additional assets unless Butler is included.

Also minds change. The deadline was over 3 months ago. Celtics now have more assets than they did then. Also both teams might be more willing to make a trade happen.

I know personally want Jackson or Tatum. But Butler is the guy that helps us win now. We get Butler, we also have a better chance of attracting Hayward. That's the 2 all stars Ainge and Wyc were talking about IMO.

[canman1971]

Anyone else think we move up to #1? IT, #3, next year's Brooklyn, Lakers-Kings pick, Smart and Crowder?

Seriously? We just traded #1. No way

[Green89]

Reportedly, Chicago turned down last year's #3 pick and players for Butler. They may very well trade for #3 and a chance at next year's 2-5, but then that logic doesn't add up because without getting anything additional from Philly, you could have just traded the #1 pick for Butler. Unless, Chicago also didn't thnk there was much separation between 1 and 3 and also wanted a little more out of it.

Then if you don't believe that, all things pont to a trade down again with bringing in DSJ and Markkanen. However, I don't think these other teams have anything they are going to part with worth a damn except WCS, but why would Sac part with hm when they have **** for a team right now?

I don't know, it's all a little confusing and we probably won't know until draft not about what part 2 of this deal is.

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Sacramento is 99.9% guaranteed to be the worst team in the NBA for the next 3 years.

Hardly.

okay, dynamite drop in.

If you really mean that you should be willing to bet, say, your $5000 against my $10 that Sacramento will be the worst team in the league for each of the next three years. Are you?

[return2glory]

With this trade going down most everyone here has been kind of selfish and only thinking about themselves.

Has anyone stopped and though how Ex feels. First he lost Piece to a trade to the Nets then to retirement. Now he has lost his mini Pierce in Fultz.

He will find someone new to obsess over.

True. That someone probably has to look a little like Pierce and play like him. My guess is Tatum.

[Fencer reregistered]

The problem I have with this trade is I don't believe there is a follow up. Not George not Butler. On top of that i have sick of seeing Ainge burn picks because he cannot move them.

Still cannot believe the Wyc signed off on this trade. Takes a lot of balls to trade then number pick in the same division..

The division hardly matters at all the way playoff seedings and regular season schedules are now done.

[robbie84]

Hardly.

okay, dynamite drop in.

If you really mean that you should be willing to bet, say, your $5000 against my $10 that Sacramento will be the worst team in the league for each of the next three years. Are you?

They'll be pretty awful during this rebuild. Good shot at being bottom 3 for next 3 years and perhaps worst team ala 76ers for a few recent years.

Who's challenging them for the worst team next season?

[Fencer reregistered]

It's so weird not knowing are the C's keeping this pick, or are they working on another trade for a Butler/PG type player. I don't think it's healthy to get attached to another prospect and then be like #$@='?#"]$@

But I can't help myself. Draftexpress updated their mock draft, and I have to say I'm glad that Tatum is at #3 and not Jackson. I have my concerns with Tatum as a player, but it's easier for me to talk myself into liking him.

I have to say that Tatum and Fox are two guys I've been most impressed with in terms of personality, demeanor, interviews and just overall the way they handle themselves. Obviously talent is the key, but stuff like that is also very important IMO. That's one of the reasons why I'm not that high on Jackson and Smith.

If you can get past the fact that he idolized Bryant, you're really going to enjoy this interview. I love how calm, confident and poised he looks like.

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Nothing wrong with idolizing Kobe from afar. He's been a jerk to his wife, girlfriends, teammates, etc., but he's usually been a class act when dealing with the general public.

[Eyeamok]

I posted this on the other thread but here is Danny (the fan) and Philly, the Iceman.

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This was great. I hope you don't mind I am going to repost it on the 76ers board.