Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[KamikazeK]

Okay so I'm pretty sure c's are on the clock now for a big-time trade or two. Who's the target and what's the cost? More importantly, is Ainge about to abandon his previous statements regarding not mortgaging the future for modest talent upgrades?

[JJtheBricklayer]

well hes already gone back on only trading the number 1 pick for "transcendent" talent by swapping it for a 3 and a lottery ticket.

Hopefully this means we go for An AD, KAT, Jokic type talent and give them a godfather offer.

THe more likely thing is we trade talent for JB/PG13, sign hayward or griffin, lose to the cavs a few more years as those guys dont make us real contenders and hope and pray DAnny FINALLY hits on a draft pic by the time Lebron retires

[The Rondo Show]

Feels like there's a big shoe to drop where we trade multiple wing pieces for a top tier one like George or Butler to me. If we stay put at #3 and draft Jackson or Tatum and then Hayward is our #1 FA target like Woj and everyone else is saying, don't see how it fits roster wise. We'd need a 2 or 3 for 1 wing trade at some point to have a respectable amount of minutes for these guys even while running small ball lineups with some of these guys at the 4.

My dream scenario is that Ainge, Isaiah, etc. get into Paul George's ear about wanting to come here and win over going to LA, and that IND is ready to move George rather than risk losing him for nothing. Give up all our second tier assets and hang onto #3, J.Brown, BKN '18 and the LAL/SAC pick. You could still put together an intriguing load of assets if they are getting low balled due to a lack of leverage:

A.Bradley, J.Crowder, T.Rozier, G.Yabusele, A.Zizic, BOS '18, LAC '19, MEM '19 for George. A piece like Bradley in last year of his deal could be re-routed to a 3rd team to give IND more of a future piece rather than win now piece. If IND has to settle for quantity over quality due to a lack of leverage, we are in as good of a spot as anyone to offer it up. Only piece I feel like this team would miss would be Zizic, too. Not because the others aren't good players, but you'd be so stacked at their positions still. If you could hang onto him, great. But had to give IND 1 asset that people peg as a top 10ish pick.

Sign your version of what Zaza was for GS for the mini mid-level.
A.Bogut (or big cheap mMLE target)
A.Horford
P.George
G.Hayward
I.Thomas

J.Jackson
J.Brown
M.Smart

...with 2 possible top 5 picks incoming in '18. Big 4 for now, Big 4 for later thru your top tier draft assets. Love that wing/small ball PF versatility with George/Hayward/Jackson/Brown too. Perfect for today's NBA.


Alright, with dream land over, think Butler is a more realistic target and that it'd likely require #3 as the center piece but hopefully not include J.Brown/BKN '18/LAL '18. As much as I'd like to hang onto all 4 of our high upside for future assets, gotta think we are parting with at least 1 in a George/Butler trade. Just hope it's not 2 of those...that's where I start to think Ainge is drying up the future pipeline too much to win now in the era of GS. Not that I think you just roll over and quit because GS is stacked like some do either. People leave out that Durant and Curry aren't robot freaks like LeBron incapable of ever getting injured. In fact the Warriors thought Durant blew out his knee at one point this year. All it takes is 1 injury to change the equation. If you can be in Finals for years and years, and an injury away from a title...you take that all day. As great as GS is, odds are very against them winning like 5 straight titles or something. **** happens...even to incredible teams like that.

[JJtheBricklayer]

I still dont understand why people think that 2 guys like Butler and Hayward get us past the cavs... Id take GS minus curry or Durant over that Celtics squad in 5.

Marginal upgrades arent going to get this team anywhere, they need a true franchise player like AD or Ainge has to face reality and blow up this tricked out treadmill team

[CollegeToPros]

I still dont understand why people think that 2 guys like Butler and Hayward get us past the cavs... Id take GS minus curry or Durant over that Celtics squad in 5.

Marginal upgrades arent going to get this team anywhere, they need a true franchise player like AD or Ainge has to face reality and blow up this tricked out treadmill team

So you would rather trade IT and Al and tank then? I'm good with competing and having two top 5 picks waiting.

[FlatearthZorro]

I'd say Butler and Hayward + a slightly better bench could put us over the Cavs. The Cavs are **** on defense, literally. We will drop 110+ on them every game.

[TheOGJabroni]

Knowing what we know now, most people believe there are two options:

"Stand Pat": select Jackson/Tatum (or another prospect), make moves in free agency: Hayward/Griffin
Trade: we now have an additional asset and can open more avenues for a trade: Butler/George & still make a move in free agency

Is there another dark horse option? Like a player on a tier above Butler/George? Most people want to point to Anthony Davis but is there someone else out there not being thought of?

[JJtheBricklayer]

I still dont understand why people think that 2 guys like Butler and Hayward get us past the cavs... Id take GS minus curry or Durant over that Celtics squad in 5.

Marginal upgrades arent going to get this team anywhere, they need a true franchise player like AD or Ainge has to face reality and blow up this tricked out treadmill team

So you would rather trade IT and Al and tank then? I'm good with competing and having two top 5 picks waiting.

See this is what pisses me off, you realize the odds are greater that we get ZERO top 5 picks in 2018 than us getting 2?

ITs so freaking hard to get the number 1 pick because you need to have a team do terrible THEN theres a 25% chance u get what u want. We beat the odds this year, Id bet money we dont pick higher then 3rd at the very best the next 2 years.

Instead of taking the consensus #1 we roll the dice with DAnny Ainges ability to find talent in the draft... A talent that hasnt produced an all star, never mind a franchise player, in 14 years.

[Curmudgeon]

If Ainge and Stevens really thought that Fultz was the best player in this draft, they wouldn't have traded the pick.

In fact, he's not even the best guard in this draft. Ball, Fox and Ntilikina will all be better. I'm going to laugh as I watch 90% of the guards in the NBA blowing by Fultz next year.

[sam_I_am]

If Ainge and Stevens really thought that Fultz was the best player in this draft, they wouldn't have traded the pick.

In fact, he's not even the best guard in this draft. Ball, Fox and Ntilikina will all be better. I'm going to laugh as I watch 90% of the guards in the NBA blowing by Fultz next year.

You must be excited about the trade given you have been saying Tatum should be #1 pick all along.

[BSA]

I still dont understand why people think that 2 guys like Butler and Hayward get us past the cavs... Id take GS minus curry or Durant over that Celtics squad in 5.

Marginal upgrades arent going to get this team anywhere, they need a true franchise player like AD or Ainge has to face reality and blow up this tricked out treadmill team

So you would rather trade IT and Al and tank then? I'm good with competing and having two top 5 picks waiting.

What cap space will we have left if we bring all these FA's?

[robdog_5]

Given sixers luck Fultz knee will flare up and he'll miss large portions of next year

[DarkAzcura]

We live in a world where adding two 22-24 PPG guys who can play defense really well is considered mariginal upgrades. Sigh.

Guys, there are players beyond the top 5 in the league that can have gigantic impact, and most here forget that sometimes players aren't considered 'top 5 or 10' until they play on winning teams. Add Hayward and Butler, win 60-65 games, and the media will probably prop up one of our guys as 'top 5-7' whether it is true or not.

[ConstableGeneva]

Knowing what we know now, most people believe there are two options:

"Stand Pat": select Jackson/Tatum (or another prospect), make moves in free agency: Hayward/Griffin
Trade: we now have an additional asset and can open more avenues for a trade: Butler/George & still make a move in free agency

Is there another dark horse option? Like a player on a tier above Butler/George? Most people want to point to Anthony Davis but is there someone else out there not being thought of?

Off the top of my head, I can think of Porzingis (could potentially be on the same tier of JB/PG at least). I doubt he's about to get traded even though his relationship with the FO soured towards end of the season. NY needs a reset to build around him. Kevin Love has been mentioned ad nauseam but I don't view him as a tier above those two. Aldridge and Drummond were both All-NBA teamers two seasons ago, but I don't want any part of either.

[TheOGJabroni]

Knowing what we know now, most people believe there are two options:

"Stand Pat": select Jackson/Tatum (or another prospect), make moves in free agency: Hayward/Griffin
Trade: we now have an additional asset and can open more avenues for a trade: Butler/George & still make a move in free agency

Is there another dark horse option? Like a player on a tier above Butler/George? Most people want to point to Anthony Davis but is there someone else out there not being thought of?

Off the top of my head, I can think of Porzingis (could potentially be on the same tier of JB/PG at least). I doubt he's about to get traded even though his relationship with the FO soured towards end of the season. NY needs a reset to build around him. Kevin Love has been mentioned ad nauseam but I don't view him as a tier above those two. Aldridge and Drummond were both All-NBA teamers two seasons ago, but I don't want any part of either.

Porzingis is very interesting to me. I doubt he's going to get moved but I would swing a deal for him & still sign Hayward, rather than go after Griffin.

Love is less appealing than a few years ago but I like his game and think he fits well here. Drummond would be nice if we can buy low. No real interest in LMA though.

Good targets to consider though.

[Jingles]

We live in a world where adding two 22-24 PPG guys who can play defense really well is considered mariginal upgrades. Sigh.

Guys, there are players beyond the top 5 in the league that can have gigantic impact, and most here forget that sometimes players aren't considered 'top 5 or 10' until they play on winning teams. Add Hayward and Butler, win 60-65 games, and the media will probably prop up one of our guys as 'top 5-7' whether it is true or not.

It's like people didn't even watch what happened last season when we replaced Sullinger with Horford. Upgrading, at minimum, Crowder to Hayward is huge. Bradley to Butler/PG, same deal. I'm fine with just Hayward and keeping the assets given the GOAT team out west, but we'll see. Must retain Jaylen and BK pick at least.

[Curmudgeon]

If Ainge and Stevens really thought that Fultz was the best player in this draft, they wouldn't have traded the pick.

In fact, he's not even the best guard in this draft. Ball, Fox and Ntilikina will all be better. I'm going to laugh as I watch 90% of the guards in the NBA blowing by Fultz next year.

You must be excited about the trade given you have been saying Tatum should be #1 pick all along.

Yes indeed. Tatum is a natural scorer. Now if Ainge can find a way to get Frank Ntilikina, I'll be ecstatic.

[Smog]

Porzingis would be a very enticing target, but it doesn't quite make sense. He's worth the #1 pick. If he was who Ainge wanted, why would he trade down?

On the other hand, Porzingis is the only talent that fits the rumors about Markannen and DSJ. What if the deal somehow involved Porzingis and 8?

Can't imagine what the deal would look like, but the idea is intriguing.

[ParticleMan]

If Ainge and Stevens really thought that Fultz was the best player in this draft, they wouldn't have traded the pick.

In fact, he's not even the best guard in this draft. Ball, Fox and Ntilikina will all be better. I'm going to laugh as I watch 90% of the guards in the NBA blowing by Fultz next year.

You must be excited about the trade given you have been saying Tatum should be #1 pick all along.

Yes indeed. Tatum is a natural scorer. Now if Ainge can find a way to get Frank Ntilikina, I'll be ecstatic.

interesting that you criticize fultz for this, but tatum gets blown by at the collegiate level. i'm on board for tatum now but i am legit scared of his D.

[pac213up]

I still dont understand why people think that 2 guys like Butler and Hayward get us past the cavs... Id take GS minus curry or Durant over that Celtics squad in 5.

Marginal upgrades arent going to get this team anywhere, they need a true franchise player like AD or Ainge has to face reality and blow up this tricked out treadmill team

Butler had top 10 impact on the court last year. Adding 2 all stars is far from a marginal upgrade.