All things Draft Pick. #3

[GoCeltics123]

The fact that the Celtics — had they opted to go the Markelle Fultz route — would have created a further logjam in the backcourt with two guards who could score may have helped expedite the team’s trade of the No. 1 pick to the Sixers, a deal that was all but finalized last night and is expected to be consummated tomorrow.

In trading down to No. 3 while presumably acquiring more future assets from Philadelphia, they are looking to both improve the current roster and better facilitate a trade for a key veteran.

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[Scarletfire81]

IMO Danny probably was concerned about the Fultz knee injury and the fact that his college team played against a lot of bad teams. We know that Philly is taking Fultz and the Lakers have a good chance of taking Ball. So Ainge has great idea of who will be available. Seriously does this team need another guard anyway? Isnt its biggest problem finding a rebounder?

[BigTrade92]

No, the BKN pick in question was 2016. If you're gunna blast someone for something that didn't happen, at least pick the right rumor.

I never claimed he was god, so congrats on the strawman.

Ainge had Tatum above Fultz. Rather than picking Tatum 1, he traded down to get him for a cheaper salary while adding a future asset. The same posters criticizing him for the trade would be crucifying him for drafting Tatum and not trading down.

I'm a Fultz nut hugger. I had him #1. But I could be wrong. I wish we got better value, but, this wasn't a bad deal.

Sure okay, he wanted to give up Jaylen Brown for Winslow, even better...

And I'm not claiming you specifically think Ainge is a god, meant it in a general sense to the Ainge apologists on here, blindly defending him like he does no wrong.

Good value is the 3rd, Sac AND the LAL pick. Getting only one, with protection, and moving down two spots is horrible. It's a fleecing.

Even if Ainge didn't want Fultz, teams still lusted after him, clearly. There was a better deal to be had. Heck, he could've held out another 4 days to get it. Heck, he could've drafted Fultz and used him as bait and Philly probably would've bitten.

Instead he settled for a drop down and a single protected lottery pick? WTF is that?

Even if there might have been better deals to be had, I think Ainge had his eyes on the LAL'18/SAC'19 picks which could both turn out to be even better players than Fultz.

Yeah maybe, or they could just be the second coming of Marcus Smart.

AND you only get one chance. Not two. So if the Lakers pick is #5 and it's an average player, a la Smart, we look foolish.

You had Fultz. He's extremely talented. Just pick him. You don't always have to look like the smartest guy in the room.

[SparringPartner]

Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.

Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. And this is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks pretty damn bad.

He just helped build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core....

Do we actually know there was a Brooklyn pick in that Winslow offer?

Reports say he did. All we can go by is the reports.

Just like how the reports say Fultz "isn't a winner" and how we passed on him because we "have a logjam at guard".

"Reports"

That is all


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[ConstableGeneva]

Have I missed anything significant since my meltdown?

Ainge was fired.... up to add another pick to his stash.

Spoiler:

Have we even heard from him since the news of the deal broke on Twitter? Any quotes? Bulpett article?

[Smog]

This all comes down to the evaluation of Fultz vs whoever we pick at 3 (if we pick).

If Fultz isn't a superstar, it's a smart play. If he is, it's not.

If it's a trade for a vet, then the evaluation is the vet plus whatever the other pick becomes.

The Celtics only lose this trade if Fultz is far better than the #3 pick AND the other pick combined. If there's a vet like George coming, that's a pretty tall order.

[London2Boston]

Come on LaVar. It's not too late to do something stupid and make Lakers take Jackson.

[The Corey's]

Have I missed anything significant since my meltdown?

Ainge was fired.... up to add another pick to his stash.

Spoiler:

Have we even heard from him since the news of the deal broke on Twitter? Any quotes? Bulpett article?

Working on the spin

[BigTrade92]

Do we actually know there was a Brooklyn pick in that Winslow offer?

Reports say he did. All we can go by is the reports.

Just like how the reports say Fultz "isn't a winner" and how we passed on him because we "have a logjam at guard".

"Reports"

That is all


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Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

[Froob]

This all comes down to the evaluation of Fultz vs whoever we pick at 3 (if we pick).

If Fultz isn't a superstar, it's a smart play. If he is, it's not.

If it's a trade for a vet, then the evaluation is the vet plus whatever the other pick becomes.

The Celtics only lose this trade if Fultz is far better than the #3 pick AND the other pick combined. If there's a vet like George coming, that's a pretty tall order.

That a pun?

[canman1971]

Have I missed anything significant since my meltdown?

You won the Wall of Shame for the Take 2 thread

[celticgreenie]

Trading for Butler on Draft night make complete sense, as it might motivate Hayward or Griffin to sign with us. If Ainge strikes out, then he might be able to trade for George later in this summer and risk the fact he is a free agent next summer?

[canman1971]

Trading for Butler on Draft night make complete sense, as it might motivate Hayward or Griffin to sign with us. If Ainge strikes out, then he might be able to trade for George later in this summer and risk the fact he is a free agent next summer?

Hmmmm, now there is something to think about?

[winsomme2]

But that's the thing. Logic ssys to trust the pro scouts over the evaluation of me or you. Danny knows ball better thwn of us. Thats a fact.

But the pro scouts are saying Fultz far and above the best prospect in this draft including the Sixers who just traded for him.

Danny right now is the outlier

I get that. But my point is Danny knows better than we do. We can disagree with the decision, but his decision was made with insight we do not have, regardless how much we delude ourselves into thinking we do. Thinking Danny was wrong, and we are right, when it comes to this decision is just typical Boston stubbornness. The rest of the country sees it. Look up twitter, way more people are bitching about us making moves than laughing at us.

It also astounds me that people have lost sleep over this, as if it's dominating their thoughts for 12 strait hours. It's just basketball.

Something good may come out of this. The entire fustration here amounts to us wanting and expecting something, and then not getting what we want.

Do I think we would be better off with Fultz? Yes. But smarter people than me in the industry think we won't be, and I'm not prideful enough to call them wrong anymore. And frankly, I don't care enough, and I've been a die hard fan since 2003 at 11 yrs old. There's a difference between being a hardcore fan who is emotionally invested and a hardcore fan who is personally invested.

The pros of our team disagree with us. Time to accept the situation, accept the fustrations and the way we feel about this, hope for the best, and move on.

I'm not sure why anyone has to move on. This just happened!

Part of the investment in watching sports for me is having a perspective. Sure I don't have as much info or experience as Danny but I do have an option that is in line with other people who DO have as much info as him and on this I think they are right. This was a bad move. We're losing out on a top prospect for much lower prospects and a possible trade for a vet that I have very little interest in. It's just a bad day for the Cs from my perspective and it just happened, so I'm not over it. Thus I'm here expressing my opinion and offering other potential thoughts to salvage something good from this.

My worry is that it's only gonna get worse because a Butler deal for me is not a step forward at all. Very shortsighted on Danny's part.

[165bows]

Imagine if the next twist is the Celtics getting Ball at #3. It's a lot less far fetched than what just happened.

It's an underrated plot line IMO.

[TheMartian]

Sure okay, he wanted to give up Jaylen Brown for Winslow, even better...

And I'm not claiming you specifically think Ainge is a god, meant it in a general sense to the Ainge apologists on here, blindly defending him like he does no wrong.

Good value is the 3rd, Sac AND the LAL pick. Getting only one, with protection, and moving down two spots is horrible. It's a fleecing.

Even if Ainge didn't want Fultz, teams still lusted after him, clearly. There was a better deal to be had. Heck, he could've held out another 4 days to get it. Heck, he could've drafted Fultz and used him as bait and Philly probably would've bitten.

Instead he settled for a drop down and a single protected lottery pick? WTF is that?

Even if there might have been better deals to be had, I think Ainge had his eyes on the LAL'18/SAC'19 picks which could both turn out to be even better players than Fultz.

Yeah maybe, or they could just be the second coming of Marcus Smart.

AND you only get one chance. Not two. So if the Lakers pick is #5 and it's an average player, a la Smart, we look foolish.

You had Fultz. He's extremely talented. Just pick him. You don't always have to look like the smartest guy in the room.

I see your point, but ultimately we don't know how Ainge thinks, and he might not be sold on Fultz like most Celtics fans are, so he tried getting as much value for the pick as he can while still getting the player he wants at #3. I don't think it's Jackson though, as there's a good chance the Lakers pick him at #2. My money's on Tatum or the pick gets traded.

[ConstableGeneva]

Silly thought...

Will the Knicks trade Porzingis for #3 + Bradley + excess non-prime picks?
Will you be open to taking on Melo's contract if Porzingis is attached?
Am I losing my senses?

[BigTrade92]

Even if there might have been better deals to be had, I think Ainge had his eyes on the LAL'18/SAC'19 picks which could both turn out to be even better players than Fultz.

Yeah maybe, or they could just be the second coming of Marcus Smart.

AND you only get one chance. Not two. So if the Lakers pick is #5 and it's an average player, a la Smart, we look foolish.

You had Fultz. He's extremely talented. Just pick him. You don't always have to look like the smartest guy in the room.

I see your point, but ultimately we don't know how Ainge thinks, and he might not be sold on Fultz like most Celtics fans are, so he tried getting as much value for the pick as he can while still getting the player he wants at #3. I don't think it's Jackson though, as there's a good chance the Lakers pick him at #2. My money's on Tatum or the pick gets traded.

Listen I hate the trade, but if you're going to make it, you need to come away with a treasure chest. You have the player everyone wants and you have all the leverage.

The fact that he made the move so soon in haste, and then couldn't even come away with a fleecing is absurd.

There was no need to make the move five days out. There was especially no need to accept a crap sandwich offer from Philly, who holds no leverage of any kind.

[Scarletfire81]

Would you guys be upset if we flipped the #3 pick for Sac #5 and #10?

[Scarletfire81]

Yeah maybe, or they could just be the second coming of Marcus Smart.

AND you only get one chance. Not two. So if the Lakers pick is #5 and it's an average player, a la Smart, we look foolish.

You had Fultz. He's extremely talented. Just pick him. You don't always have to look like the smartest guy in the room.

I see your point, but ultimately we don't know how Ainge thinks, and he might not be sold on Fultz like most Celtics fans are, so he tried getting as much value for the pick as he can while still getting the player he wants at #3. I don't think it's Jackson though, as there's a good chance the Lakers pick him at #2. My money's on Tatum or the pick gets traded.

Listen I hate the trade, but if you're going to make it, you need to come away with a treasure chest. You have the player everyone wants and you have all the leverage.

The fact that he made the move so soon in haste, and then couldn't even come away with a fleecing is absurd.

There was no need to make the move five days out. There was especially no need to accept a crap sandwich offer from Philly, who holds no leverage of any kind.

Yeah that's the part I don't understand either. There a could be a logical reason, like it may convince more players to come work out knowing they have the 3rd pick. Like Ball and Jackson.