Draft Discussion Part 3

[Saberestar]

FWIW, DX now has Tatum going to Cs at 3. Jackson to PHX

My personal preference:
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Fox
Isaac

[King4Day]

Chicago really prefers the No 3 pick instead of Fultz? Or is Ainge really going to trade the No 3 pick, Net's 2018 pick, and LA's pick for Butler? Quite a haul for a player that only has two years left, especially considering what the Kings got for Boogie.
Regardless, I think Bulls may want Tatum too, he'd be easier to build an offense around IMO.

How would the Celtics get Fultz? He's going to Philly.

I'm confused as to what you are asking.
I'm saying, why would the Celtics trade down from No 1 to No 3 if they were just going to trade this year's pick to the Bulls for Butler. Wouldn't the Bulls just prefer the No 1 pick?

Maybe Chicago told them who they want and it was Tatum or Jackson. So they did this deal in order to get more assets.
I think if Boston offered the #3 pick and Brooklyn's next year along with salary filler like Bradley (since Butler is taking that role anyway), Chicago will do it.

[ray ray]

Man.. I'm now torn on who I want the Suns to draft..

Jonathan Isaac freakish length and perimeter quickeness and agility is phenomenal. He's has the most potential but also can be the biggest bust potential.

Jayson Tatum scoring ability is amazing. He reminds me so much of a Paul George type of player.

One thing is for sure , McD track record says that we will get a good player.

Paul George was an amazing defender coming into the league.

Tatum is more like Marcus Morris/current Carmelo Anthony.

Your correct! I meant it more offensively and body type than defensively.

[Waylay13]

I think I am good with Tatum or Fox at 4. Jackson might have the talent but just not sure the mental stability is there. Can't have any more drama in the locker room. Need to move this process forward.

If you take Fox, that probably means you are trading Bledsoe I would think. Could the Lakers take Jackson second - that would be okay and than Ball probably falls to the Suns at 4.

Ball is still my top choice --

Ball is player that I think has the highest bust chance. He doesn't have a PnR game, he doesnt have a post up game, he doesnt play good defense and he one of the ugliest shots that I have ever seen. His game is built on transition basketball which even for him is only 20% of the game. If given the choice between Ball and Jackson on the suns I would take Jackson every single time.

[Mulhollanddrive]

With what Ainge talked about needing a scoring option to help Thomas, that would lean Tatum.

Also if they wanted Ball / Jackson they probably hold off on trading the pick to until a workout is decided one way or another.

[Sunzgunz]

I think the Celtics are going to take Tatum at 3.

Agree 100%!

If boston doesnt trade the pick for a proven star, then Tatum to boston makes sense for a number of reasons! Question is, does Boston move back again? I don't think phx will take Tatum, but we could. Unless boston has isaac or someone rated very close to tatum....i dont think it's safe for them to trade down again.

With that said, the Celtics are in win now mode and in their losing, 5 game matchup vs the cavs, one series away from NBA championship, they never had more blocks than the cavs and only outrebounded them in 1 game. Their bigs were destroyed on the boards....only in one game did the Celtics boast a player with double digits in rebounds....and guess who won that game? It was the only game Celtics won.

If only one knew where to find a veteran double double rebounding big with playoff experience and a strong locker room presence that could help a team one step away win now?

If Celtics are confident than can grab Tatum with the 5 spot, or just decide to move back to the 5 or 10 spot for whatever reason......we should make a courtesy phone call...

We help ensure they get their man at 5 (tatum, most ready to contribute at the next level), we dont field trade calls, we draft ur man at the 4 spot, u get ours at the 5 spot, essentially swapping picks....the cost for doing so? ...well not so fast, we also send u Tyson Chandler giving u a much needed and proven double double guy with an interior defensive presence. We give u our 32 spot.

Trade value breaks down as such:

Suns pick 4 = 6.37; Boston Pick 5 = 5.94 (Boston + 0.43 trade value)

Boston pick 10 = 4.11; Suns Pick 32 = 1.06 (Suns + 3.05 trade value)

Suns 3.05 - Boston 0.43 = Suns up w/ 2.62 trade value

2.62 trade value = 16th pick (1sr round)

Tyson Chandler = 16th pick in draft?

Or do we have to sweeting the pot? Numerically were in the ball park, perhaps it's as simple as giving them some cap relief? We give them Chandler (plus, #4/#32 and cap relief/flexibility ) and take Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko (plus, #5/#10).

However, if dsj, isaac or monk fall to the 10 spot (a few others that I can't foresee falling) Id replace cap relief and #32 with either Miami's or our pick (add protections and flexibility so we don't give up a top 5 pick).

Option 2 (if a desirable player falls)
#4, 2018 1st rounder (see protections above) and Tyson Chandler
For
#5, #10 and cap filler (guessing Amir johnson)

[BobbieL]

I think I am good with Tatum or Fox at 4. Jackson might have the talent but just not sure the mental stability is there. Can't have any more drama in the locker room. Need to move this process forward.

If you take Fox, that probably means you are trading Bledsoe I would think. Could the Lakers take Jackson second - that would be okay and than Ball probably falls to the Suns at 4.

Ball is still my top choice --

Ball is player that I think has the highest bust chance. He doesn't have a PnR game, he doesnt have a post up game, he doesnt play good defense and he one of the ugliest shots that I have ever seen. His game is built on transition basketball which even for him is only 20% of the game. If given the choice between Ball and Jackson on the suns I would take Jackson every single time.

Well, those are very good points about not taking Ball. Maybe the Lakers will make it easy and take Ball. A ball / Russell backcourt - interesting.

I just don't know. I do know that Ryan McD will make the best pick possible. He seems to do well with the draft and like said after the draft lottery, it would be the best player. Don't get cute and try to think "well, we have TJ Warren so don't need X and last year we drafted Bender Chriss so don't need Y or Z" - just take the best damn player on yoru board. Especially if its quite obvious who the player is.

Fox is intriguing as he can defend. Also listed at 6'4 so quite tall with Booker for a backcourt. But he can't shoot the ball

Should be an interesting few days

[King4Day]

On NBA radio yesterday they seemed to think we'll be taking Fox. Like, they didn't even question it. They said it like, 'Fultz, Ball, JJ, and then the Suns take Fox. That's where it gets hazy.' Something like that

[DRK]

I think the Celtics are going to take Tatum at 3.

Agree 100%

Tatum to boston makes sense for a number of reasons! Question is, does Boston move back again? I don't think phx will take Tatum, but we could. Unless they have isaac or someone rated very close to tatum....sont think they can trade down again.

I too think Ainge is taking Tatum at #3. I really doubt they take Jackson. If they do, where does that leave Jaylen? Can they afford to have two wings on the court who cant shoot well?

Jackson is ours at #4, if we choose to take him. Im on the fence about Jackson or Isaac, so we will see

[sunsbg]

Looks more and more likely Jackson will be available @4 after the 76ers - Celtics trade. On paper he is the best fit for the Suns, but those character issues...

What is the word on his workouts and has he scheduled one with the Suns ?

[JMac1]

Looks more and more likely Jackson will be available @4 after the 76ers - Celtics trade. On paper he is the best fit for the Suns, but those character issues...

What is the word on his workouts and has he scheduled one with the Suns ?

We saw him workout in Sacramento.

[bwgood77]

On NBA radio yesterday they seemed to think we'll be taking Fox. Like, they didn't even question it. They said it like, 'Fultz, Ball, JJ, and then the Suns take Fox. That's where it gets hazy.' Something like that

Local Phx radio? I haven't heard Fox anywhere except from some national people and their mocks/rankings which are mostly generic. We didn't work out any point guards so that seems kind of odd. Or was it a national show?

[ray ray]

On NBA radio yesterday they seemed to think we'll be taking Fox. Like, they didn't even question it. They said it like, 'Fultz, Ball, JJ, and then the Suns take Fox. That's where it gets hazy.' Something like that

Unless we have a trade in the works in which Knight and Bledsoe are both gone. I don't see it them drafting Fox.

It's either Ball if he's there, Jackson if he falls or Tatum/Isaac. The more realistic option are Tatum/Isaac. I'm torn on who I would like the Suns to draft.

[JMac1]

I just watched one complete JJ vid (I haven't since the lottery) and if he falls.......I would be ecstatic. I don't believe it will happen though.....no way, right? He is soooo dynamic. Didn't want to watch and be disappointed because I knew we would lose out on him. Too late.....we have to get him.

Please over think it Magic and Ainge.

[JMac1]

On NBA radio yesterday they seemed to think we'll be taking Fox. Like, they didn't even question it. They said it like, 'Fultz, Ball, JJ, and then the Suns take Fox. That's where it gets hazy.' Something like that

Unless we have a trade in the works in which Knight and Bledsoe are both gone. I don't see it them drafting Fox.

It's either Ball if he's there, Jackson if he falls or Tatum/Isaac. The more realistic option are Tatum/Isaac. I'm torn on who I would like the Suns to draft.

So much this.....

[MrMiyagi]

I just watched one complete JJ vid (I haven't since the lottery) and if he falls.......I would be ecstatic. I don't believe it will happen though.....no way, right? He is soooo dynamic. Didn't want to watch and be disappointed because I knew we would lose out on him. Too late.....we have to get him.

Please over think it Magic and Ainge.

Bu-bu-but, his wingspan, though.

I think we get attached too much to certain things. Yes, Kawhi is a great defender with freakishly long arms, but is he a great defender because of them, or is it because he takes pride in defending and uses great technique which does utilize his freakishly long arms? I think we'd be talking about Kawhi, even if he didn't have long arms.

Jackson will be a damn good player in the NBA.

[bwgood77]

Reading the Boston forum....

:pray: Well.....I went ahead and did it. I just watched JJ's highlights (been avoiding since the lottery). I knew I should not have, because it's stands out above Tatum and Isaac without a doubt ( I have avoided Ball and Fultz), there is no way JJ falls to us.....if so OMG!!!!

You can have him for Booker. Deal?

Ha. Actually I wanted to post this in our forum. Dumb smart phone. My bad.

When I read the first part as I was reading the Boston board I was just laughing thinking "Why is he posting that on the Boston forum?"

[JMac1]

I just watched one complete JJ vid (I haven't since the lottery) and if he falls.......I would be ecstatic. I don't believe it will happen though.....no way, right? He is soooo dynamic. Didn't want to watch and be disappointed because I knew we would lose out on him. Too late.....we have to get him.

Please over think it Magic and Ainge.

Bu-bu-but, his wingspan, though.

I think we get attached too much to certain things. Yes, Kawhi is a great defender with freakishly long arms, but is he a great defender because of them, or is it because he takes pride in defending and uses great technique which does utilize his freakishly long arms? I think we'd be talking about Kawhi, even if he didn't have long arms.

Jackson will be a damn good player in the NBA.

When I watch his highlights.....all I do, literally is shake my head (had to spell it out for full effect). His hops, quickness, suddenness, passing, vision, handles, timing, quick hands, potential face-up and attack ISO off the dribble. The dude is all over the place. Just an active motor. Again, smh.

Got to get him. Hopefully Ainge told Mc'D he wouldn't draft him and if Ainge wanted JJ, he'd offer us a cool deal before selecting JJ. I really believe that.

Hell, Ainge could have spoken to Mc'D before making his deal.

Mc'D knows who will be available at 4. And he knows if he wants JJ or Tatum, he could have either with this trade.

Ball is LAL bound. That's why it leaked that his second workout sucked. To justify passing on JJ.

JJ is Frank and Heild to the 1000 power for me. One time coach, one time. Booker and JJ

[JMac1]

Reading the Boston forum....

You can have him for Booker. Deal?

Ha. Actually I wanted to post this in our forum. Dumb smart phone. My bad.

When I read the first part as I was reading the Boston board I was just laughing thinking "Why is he posting that on the Boston forum?"

Embarrassing.......

Edit: I'm so effing nervous and excited after the trade with the thought of having JJ...

Hope I'm not setting myself up. I have refrained all of this time....

[ray ray]

I just watched one complete JJ vid (I haven't since the lottery) and if he falls.......I would be ecstatic. I don't believe it will happen though.....no way, right? He is soooo dynamic. Didn't want to watch and be disappointed because I knew we would lose out on him. Too late.....we have to get him.

Please over think it Magic and Ainge.

Bu-bu-but, his wingspan, though.

I think we get attached too much to certain things. Yes, Kawhi is a great defender with freakishly long arms, but is he a great defender because of them, or is it because he takes pride in defending and uses great technique which does utilize his freakishly long arms? I think we'd be talking about Kawhi, even if he didn't have long arms.

Jackson will be a damn good player in the NBA.

Agree! If Shawn Marion was able to be fix his jumper, I'm sure JJackson will be able to. He's freakish athletically.