All things Draft Pick. #3

[SparringPartner]

Reports say he did. All we can go by is the reports.

Just like how the reports say Fultz "isn't a winner" and how we passed on him because we "have a logjam at guard".

"Reports"

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Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

It was a "report" that never came to fruition, so it has zero basis for anything in the realm of reality.

[ConstableGeneva]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Counterpoints:
1. Major flight risk in a year.
2. Plays the same position as our top FA target.
3. Will get murdered in the lux tax in 2018-19 if we resign both him and IT.
4. Lower price tag to acquire highly debatable.
5. He's only younger by half a year.

1. I don't believe the media-driven LA talk. You hear anything that indicates any of it is true?
2. Hayward and Butler are more 2/3. PG is more 3/4. Either way, can't have enough lengthy wings/swings.
3. This is scary.
4. How come?
5. True, but no injury concerns for PG.

[ViperGTS]

9. Has gone toe-to-toe with Lebron in the playoffs multiple times and lived to tell about it.
10. His jersey number isn't retired yet.
11. I don't want him joining the Cavs.
12. He already loves our system:


SIGN ME UP.

At what cost?

I would think Crowder/Bradley or Crowder/Smart + Lakers pick could be a core.

Or Something like Bradley, Lakers pick, plus #3 or Brown would be the overpay deal. If Danny thinks this team is there with George/Hayward or George/Griffin

Neither deal is even remotely sane. As I stated earlier in the morning. Take any trio of players listed, Butler, IT, George etc...and tell me leaving Cleveland out if it...who has the best players in a series vs GS. Them or the Cs?

[FlatearthZorro]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Counterpoints:
1. Major flight risk in a year.
2. Plays the same position as our top FA target.
3. Will get murdered in the lux tax in 2018-19 if we resign both him and IT.
4. Lower price tag to acquire highly debatable.
5. He's only younger by half a year.

I think PG fits better as a shooter than Butler. As you said if you get PG go get Griffin or Millsap. I doubt Hayward or PG want to chase SGs around the floor on regular basis. I like the Butler/Hayward duo a lot, but Bulls' FO is somewhat impossible to trade with despite the team being in a no win situation. Butler is the prototype SG, only minus is he's not a great 3 pt shooter but he's still making em here and there. Great size, strength and athletic ability.

To be honest Butler has been much better than PG in the last 2 years. Every stats out there proves it. Butler is a menace. George had a good series vs the Cavs but had 18 PER during the regular season and didn't look all too superstar to me.

[Shamrock]

If Fultz comes out and pulls a Ingram this season and our player does well it's going to be interesting to see how our narratives change lol (If we keep the pick)

[Edug27]

To reason #7, I don't believe that hype for some reason. He wants to win.. Neither LA team will be in a position to do so soon.

Yes, I believe Danny is willing to call George's bluff on wanting to go to LA.

I don't understand why he'd bluff that though. What would be the point? So the team you are going to wouldn't give up as much...they could use it as leverage against the Pacers? It seems like I keep reading "It's well known across the league George is going to LA."

I do think though if he went to Boston and battled the Cavs in the ECF, maybe beat them, and loved his teammates, etc, it would likely be awfully hard to leave that for a bottom team no matter who it is.

Well not necessarily his bluff.. just risk that he won't want to despite all the rumors.

[return2glory]

There was also a video on the last thread about Jalen Rose speculating that the C's will be picking the #3 for another team - in this case, I'm curious he mentioned Indiana and not Chicago - and that Josh Jackson should be the pick as he believes JJ is the best player in the draft. Is there any traction on trades with IND involving the #3 and PG13?

Steven A. said the same thing that we would be trading the pick, but to the Bulls in a package deal for a Butler. Steven A. has ties to the Sixers and said that that's why the Celtics made the trade with Philly.

So it's really Butler they're going after and not PG? I was hoping for PG as I think he's the better player and a better fit for the C's.

That's what Steven A. said. And he had a strong feeling that the Celtics/Sixers trade was going to get done the night before it happened.

I also feel George is a little better and because of him being a better 3 point shooter, he is a better fit than Butler. George was coming back from a big injury though and Butler had been the better player recently. But I'm good with either as long as we are getting Hayward too. And by getting Butler or George, we have a better chance of getting Hayward.

[TheOGJabroni]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Lost in some of the trade threads around here..someone said they heard zach lowe say the price would be crowder, zeller, plus either jerebko/olynyk and a 2nd rounder for PG is that true?

No chance. If that was the case, sign me the **** up!

[Jingles]

A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Counterpoints:
1. Major flight risk in a year.
2. Plays the same position as our top FA target.
3. Will get murdered in the lux tax in 2018-19 if we resign both him and IT.
4. Lower price tag to acquire highly debatable.
5. He's only younger by half a year.

Re: #2 you mean Griffin right? Because I think Hayward and PG would be a pretty dynamite combo at the 3/4 with Brown as the future 2.

Whatever happens, team def needs to get bigger. Seems like we're headed there.

[SparringPartner]

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Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

You're not helping your credibility by continuing to site the fact that the pick is protected. The protections in all likelihood are good for the Celtics - not bad.

Exactly. I think the LAL will be better next year. They have zero reason to TANK like they did this year. Walton had that team on the way to 30 wins until the final 3rd of the season.

Ainge did this to GET the SAC 19 pick. If he ends up with the LAL 2-5 next year, so be it.

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A lot of Jimmy Butler talk... but couple reasons why PG makes more sense..

1. He's younger
2. Lower price tag to acquire
3. Better shooter
4. Mentioned IT was the player he was most excited to play with in the All Star game
5. Retweeted, then deleted, a quote by Pierce saying Boston should trade the top overall pick
6. Zach Lowe reported earlier that George wanted to play with Hayward.
7. Lakers and Clippers suck. Danny should be willing to call his bluff on actually wanting to sign there.
8. IT / George / Hayward / Horford is a legit team. A defensive center away from being a legit contender.

Counterpoints:
1. Major flight risk in a year.
2. Plays the same position as our top FA target.
3. Will get murdered in the lux tax in 2018-19 if we resign both him and IT.
4. Lower price tag to acquire highly debatable.
5. He's only younger by half a year.

1. Risk worth taking
2. Both can play the 2/3
3. The price of competing
4. Meh. Think it's fairly a one sided debate
5. Touché.

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

[GoCeltics123]

Fultz hype created, check.

Now Jackson hype within the past week, check.

All the while, they've been hush hush on the best player from last year, Tatum.

Hmmm.

All we know is the Celtics worked Tatum out

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[ViperGTS]

Steven A. said the same thing that we would be trading the pick, but to the Bulls in a package deal for a Butler. Steven A. has ties to the Sixers and said that that's why the Celtics made the trade with Philly.

So it's really Butler they're going after and not PG? I was hoping for PG as I think he's the better player and a better fit for the C's.

That's what Steven A. said. And he had a strong feeling that the Celtics/Sixers trade was going to get done the night before it happened.

I also feel George is a little better and because of him being a better 3 point shooter, he is a better fit than Butler. But I'm good with either as long as we are getting Hayward too. And by getting Butler or George, we have a better chance of getting Hayward.

Does anyone sit back and ask why the need to trade significant assets for players the caliber of Butler or George? Where does that get the Cs in 2 years? 5?

Answer. Nowhere. Maybe a perennial ECF team and a Lebron injury away from Finals apearance only to get smoked by GS.

Sounds like a good plan.

[jfs1000d]

On George and media. Media loves partying, sex and glamour. If you asked us 40, aging, white males where
Would you want to go, they would all say Miami and L.A because of the women and club scene.

Remember that. Most media are older white men like me, and sometimes they think with their other head.


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Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

You're not helping your credibility by continuing to site the fact that the pick is protected. The protections in all likelihood are good for the Celtics - not bad.

Exactly. I think the LAL will be better next year. They have zero reason to TANK like they did this year. Walton had that team on the way to 30 wins until the final 3rd of the season.

Ainge did this to GET the SAC 19 pick. If he ends up with the LAL 2-5 next year, so be it.

You're probably right. This deal makes little sense unless he values that pick very highly.

By the way, that means he's unlikely to want to do anything in trade that is greatly helpful in the short term for Sacramento. However, it's not clear what kind of deal would be appealing to Ainge, appealing to Sacto, AND helpful to Sacto in the short-term anyway.

[TheMartian]

To reason #7, I don't believe that hype for some reason. He wants to win.. Neither LA team will be in a position to do so soon.

Yes, I believe Danny is willing to call George's bluff on wanting to go to LA.

I don't understand why he'd bluff that though. What would be the point? So the team you are going to wouldn't give up as much...they could use it as leverage against the Pacers? It seems like I keep reading "It's well known across the league George is going to LA."

I do think though if he went to Boston and battled the Cavs in the ECF, maybe beat them, and loved his teammates, etc, it would likely be awfully hard to leave that for a bottom team no matter who it is.

I think it's because George publicly stated he wants to win, and going to LA doesn't do that for him.

That is, unless he meant he wants to win in Indiana, otherwise he'll go to LA notwithstanding LA's ability to contend in the near future.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

:pray: Well.....I went ahead and did it. I just watched JJ's highlights (been avoiding since the lottery). I knew I should not have, because it's stands out above Tatum and Isaac without a doubt ( I have avoided Ball and Fultz), there is no way JJ falls to us.....if so OMG!!!!

You can have him for Booker. Deal?

Ha. Actually I wanted to post this in our forum. Dumb smart phone. My bad.

Apropos of nothing, but you have the weirdest set of favorite sports teams I've ever seen.

Mine are kind of odd until you get to the end and see UConn. But yours make me think you threw darts at a map!

[SparringPartner]

Reports say a lot of things. Said we were getting that Lakers pick AND the Sacremento pick. Turns out it was only one and that one is protected.

Sometimes the truth is worse than the reports.

You're not helping your credibility by continuing to site the fact that the pick is protected. The protections in all likelihood are good for the Celtics - not bad.

So if the Lakers end up getting the #1 overall pick next year, Philly gets to keep it and add to their core.

How exactly is that good for the Celtics?

Please explain, I'd love to hear from a "credible" poster....

Because they still own the BRK 18 pick (likely top 5) and then they would also, in your scenario, get the SAC 19 pick UNPROTECTED. I am sure you are concerned with how good the SAC FO is and that this pick won't be very good in 2019, right.

[jfs1000d]

So it's really Butler they're going after and not PG? I was hoping for PG as I think he's the better player and a better fit for the C's.

That's what Steven A. said. And he had a strong feeling that the Celtics/Sixers trade was going to get done the night before it happened.

I also feel George is a little better and because of him being a better 3 point shooter, he is a better fit than Butler. But I'm good with either as long as we are getting Hayward too. And by getting Butler or George, we have a better chance of getting Hayward.

Does anyone sit back and ask why the need to trade significant assets for players the caliber of Butler or George? Where does that get the Cs in 2 years? 5?

Answer. Nowhere. Maybe a perennial ECF team and a Lebron injury away from Finals apearance only to get smoked by GS.

Sounds like a good plan.

First off. It will beat a declining Lebron imo. And, the warriors aren't winning six straight NBA titles. Unless you think the warriors are better than 60s Celtics, then I think we'll see someone else compete against them. They will start to degrade. Every team in NBA history hasn't been able to sustain the level.


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All we know is the Celtics worked Tatum out

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Nice. Thank you