All things Draft Pick. #3

[ConstableGeneva]

https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-puts-legacy-line-passing-markelle-fultz-153425097.html

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

[SparringPartner]

Ok, so piecing it all together, Ainge is trading the 3rd pick and players for Butler. That move is one he wanted to make at the deadline, but didn't do so in case the pick was #1.

So by executing this trade, he's essentially doing the move he wanted to do, but now gets that 2018 Lakers pick it it's 2-5, or the 2019 Kings pick.

The question now is, do the Bulls take that package initially offered by Ainge, or do they squeeze him for more? And is Ainge ready to live with that 3rd pick in case he has to walk away from that deal?

PLEASE NO BUTLER

YES TO GEORGE

[jfs1000d]

I do not usually TROLL, but this **** pissed me off.

BOOM jfs 1000d

I want Fultz. I have said it 1000 times. But I also want Hayward and Butler. Obviously, Ainge didn't think Fultz is a superstar.

And, the we are taking Fultz is if we stayed at 1. That was when Josh Jackson stuff came out. That, and I did t think philly would give up laker pick to move up 2 spots.

I want to win now. I wanted Fultz because we needed scoring and I like his game. But, obviously, Ainge didn't agree. We traded out. I was in favor of Hayward and Butler for a long time. I want to win NOW.


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[Celtics_Champs]

I honestly think it was just cap room and he liked a player better. Who...I don't know yet.

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[GoCeltics123]

https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-puts-legacy-line-passing-markelle-fultz-153425097.html

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

LOL fail

To be fair Ainge's mouthpiece, aka Bulpett, said a trade for a vet is in line

[Captain_Caveman]

Apropos of nothing, but you have the weirdest set of favorite sports teams I've ever seen.

Mine are kind of odd until you get to the end and see UConn. But yours make me think you threw darts at a map!

Yes, UCLA, Phx Suns, Cubs, Bucks and Islanders?

Though I have wondered often about Smitty being a Celtics, Patriots and Yankees fan, even though he explained it once.

His childhood friend's family were diehard NY fans and his family wasn't into baseball I believe. It's funny how many here have mixed teams. I mean, people often wonder about me and the Fins. But, like Smitty, it goes back to childhood and I am die hard, all in fan.

Anyone whose teams are not all from the same place gets a squint from me.

And a half-sneer if they are mixing rival cities.

[jfs1000d]

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

Who cares. Wyc, write the damn check. I worry about roster flex. I don't give a crap if wyc gotta write a lux tax check.


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You will if it is for $50m.

Why? Not my money. If
Wyc doesn't like lux tax, he can take it up with other owners who setup the system.



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[Fencer reregistered]

So it's really Butler they're going after and not PG? I was hoping for PG as I think he's the better player and a better fit for the C's.

That's what Steven A. said. And he had a strong feeling that the Celtics/Sixers trade was going to get done the night before it happened.

I also feel George is a little better and because of him being a better 3 point shooter, he is a better fit than Butler. But I'm good with either as long as we are getting Hayward too. And by getting Butler or George, we have a better chance of getting Hayward.

Does anyone sit back and ask why the need to trade significant assets for players the caliber of Butler or George? Where does that get the Cs in 2 years? 5?

Answer. Nowhere. Maybe a perennial ECF team and a Lebron injury away from Finals apearance only to get smoked by GS.

Sounds like a good plan.

That's a fair challenge, but I dispute your conclusion.

Suppose we can trade the #3 straight-up for Paul George, and sign Gordon Hayward. Suppose our small ball lineup then is:

Horford
George
Hayward
Brown
Thomas

with other players and assets that include:

Zizic (likely starter)
MLE big man
Yabusele
Brooklyn 18
Sacto 19
One or two of Crowder/Bradley/Smart/Rozier, plus the returns on trading the rest of those guys
The other picks we now currently have

Assuming that the youngsters (mainly) develop well and the older players (mainly) age gracefully -- or more precisely that our luck in those respects is comparable to that of the other top teams -- I think we can be very competitive for the championship in 3 years, with a puncher's chance at any time.

[bwgood77]

Apropos of nothing, but you have the weirdest set of favorite sports teams I've ever seen.

Mine are kind of odd until you get to the end and see UConn. But yours make me think you threw darts at a map!

Yes, UCLA, Phx Suns, Cubs, Bucks and Islanders?

Though I have wondered often about Smitty being a Celtics, Patriots and Yankees fan, even though he explained it once.

His childhood friend's family were diehard NY fans and his family wasn't into baseball I believe. It's funny how many here have mixed teams. I mean, people often wonder about me and the Fins. But, like Smitty, it goes back to childhood and I am die hard, all in fan.

I'm the same way with the Chargers...being a fan as a young kid. I have grown to like the Cards too over the years though and it's easier being in different conferences.

[SparringPartner]

I want Fultz. I have said it 1000 times. But I also want Hayward and Butler. Obviously, Ainge didn't think Fultz is a superstar.

And, the we are taking Fultz is if we stayed at 1. That was when Josh Jackson stuff came out. That, and I did t think philly would give up laker pick to move up 2 spots.

I want to win now. I wanted Fultz because we needed scoring and I like his game. But, obviously, Ainge didn't agree. We traded out. I was in favor of Hayward and Butler for a long time. I want to win NOW.


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You miss the damn point. Some of use where suggesting, what looks like is happening, on that thread. Your pompous post was uncalled for and quite dismissive. I have ZERO problem with your stance on Futlz. DO NOT treat your opinions as facts and others opinions as farce.

That is all.

[Fencer reregistered]

Yes, UCLA, Phx Suns, Cubs, Bucks and Islanders?

Though I have wondered often about Smitty being a Celtics, Patriots and Yankees fan, even though he explained it once.

His childhood friend's family were diehard NY fans and his family wasn't into baseball I believe. It's funny how many here have mixed teams. I mean, people often wonder about me and the Fins. But, like Smitty, it goes back to childhood and I am die hard, all in fan.

Anyone whose teams are not all from the same place gets a squint from me.

And a half-sneer if they are mixing rival cities.

I spent most of my childhood in the LA area.
I spent most of my 20s and 30s in NYC.
I've lived in the Boston area longer than anywhere else.

You would wince to see a list of teams I've at one time or another rooted for, at least when the teams I was most imprinted on were out of contention.

[return2glory]

Ok, so piecing it all together, Ainge is trading the 3rd pick and players for Butler. That move is one he wanted to make at the deadline, but didn't do so in case the pick was #1.

So by executing this trade, he's essentially doing the move he wanted to do, but now gets that 2018 Lakers pick it it's 2-5, or the 2019 Kings pick.

The question now is, do the Bulls take that package initially offered by Ainge, or do they squeeze him for more? And is Ainge ready to live with that 3rd pick in case he has to walk away from that deal?

Yes Ainge did the trade with Philly to get additional assets. Also the Bulls are more motivated to trade with the Celtics now because Steven A. reported that the Bulls want that 3rd pick. They had called the Sixers for that 3rd pick prior to the Celtics/Sixers trade.

Now Ainge is saying I got that 3rd pick you wanted. You know who I want for it. Let's talk. Ainge can make that trade now, the trade that was discussed at the trade deadline. The only difference now is Ainge got the additional assets he wanted by making that deal with the Sixers.

[Captain_Caveman]

I do not usually TROLL, but this **** pissed me off.

BOOM jfs 1000d

I want Fultz. I have said it 1000 times. But I also want Hayward and Butler. Obviously, Ainge didn't think Fultz is a superstar.

And, the we are taking Fultz is if we stayed at 1. That was when Josh Jackson stuff came out. That, and I did t think philly would give up laker pick to move up 2 spots.

I want to win now. I wanted Fultz because we needed scoring and I like his game. But, obviously, Ainge didn't agree. We traded out. I was in favor of Hayward and Butler for a long time. I want to win NOW.


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Tee hee hee.

[3D Chess]

Yes, UCLA, Phx Suns, Cubs, Bucks and Islanders?

Though I have wondered often about Smitty being a Celtics, Patriots and Yankees fan, even though he explained it once.

His childhood friend's family were diehard NY fans and his family wasn't into baseball I believe. It's funny how many here have mixed teams. I mean, people often wonder about me and the Fins. But, like Smitty, it goes back to childhood and I am die hard, all in fan.

Anyone whose teams are not all from the same place gets a squint from me.

And a half-sneer if they are mixing rival cities.

International draft and stash, sorry!

[Captain_Caveman]

Who cares. Wyc, write the damn check. I worry about roster flex. I don't give a crap if wyc gotta write a lux tax check.


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You will if it is for $50m.

Why? Not my money. If
Wyc doesn't like lux tax, he can take it up with other owners who setup the system.



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It would mean dumping other players or picks, so as not to get creamed.

[Fencer reregistered]

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

I guess it depends on what IT wants to do. I am sure Danny and ITs agent have had talk about the number. Maybe IT is willing to take 25 mil which helps us keep the roster together.

Actually, it depends on what Wyc and his partners want to do.

[TheMartian]

There's no freakin' way we're competitive for a championship any time soon without getting murdered in the luxury tax. We need serious talent from the top to bottom of at least the core rotation, given how strong GS is at the top of their roster.

I didn't say pay lux tax, I said *murdered* by lux tax.

Go ahead, do the math. IT and George get a combined raise of up to $35m while the cap stays flat. Don't forget those two top 5 picks next year. And forget about signing Smart, Bradley or anyone else.

I guess it depends on what IT wants to do. I am sure Danny and ITs agent have had talk about the number. Maybe IT is willing to take 25 mil which helps us keep the roster together.

I believe IT has already said he was willing to negotiate his next contract such that the team can bring in more help for contention. Don't quote me on that though.

[jfs1000d]

Isaac would be perfect for this Stevens squad.

Yes, TOTALLY agree AND the Celtics could probably pick up another asset as well.

SAC is supposedly very high on FOX

I can't see PHX passing on FOX at #4, also rumored

So

BOS - #5 (Isaac), WCS
SAC - #3

I do t think Ainge wants to add salary at this point. I like the idea. How about we keep 3, and trade laker pick for sactown's no. 5?

Just throwing crap out there right now.




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[BigTrade92]

You're not helping your credibility by continuing to site the fact that the pick is protected. The protections in all likelihood are good for the Celtics - not bad.

So if the Lakers end up getting the #1 overall pick next year, Philly gets to keep it and add to their core.

How exactly is that good for the Celtics?

Please explain, I'd love to hear from a "credible" poster....

Seriously? That's not the good part. The good part is that we roll it over if it's 6-30. Get it now? Yes, it would be better if it was 1-5 protected but it's mostly in our favor.

Mostly.

But it isn't square in our favor. We had the #1 pick. We had the leverage and yet still, you're sitting here trying to do backflips on how it's mostly in our favor.

If it wasn't IN OUR FAVOR, there was no necessity to make this deal right now, five days out from the draft, for this poopoo platter offer. You walk away with both SAC and LAL picks? Okay, you win Ainge. But this? Give me a break.

Please though, continue the spin.

[Captain_Caveman]

His childhood friend's family were diehard NY fans and his family wasn't into baseball I believe. It's funny how many here have mixed teams. I mean, people often wonder about me and the Fins. But, like Smitty, it goes back to childhood and I am die hard, all in fan.

Anyone whose teams are not all from the same place gets a squint from me.

And a half-sneer if they are mixing rival cities.

International draft and stash, sorry!

On a related note, any American who has a foreign soccer team also gets a head shake, unless they are an immigrant or 1st generation immigrant from that team's country.