Celtics Fan Group Therapy

[Iguodaladon]

one of the two guys who we pick with this trade has to be better than fultz. not as a combination, but individually.

this is the benchmark for me as to who wins the trade.

this year i think it's tatum.

Yeah if he picks Tatum it'll at least be a relief to know that he's not completely obsessed with gritty, non-shooting players and still has at least one eye on our limitations as a squad.

[jfs1000d]

Oh no! We are going to win too many games! The horror, playoff games, winning, maybe we aren't the best team. Boo hoo. I don't want to win games.

Bunch of basketball snowflakes here. Bring on the Cavs and warriors.


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[chrisab123]

meh. let's see what actually happens in a couple of years before declaring this a fail.

ainge has rarely if ever lost a trade. but he hasn't been that great at drafting. which trend will prevail here?

find out next (decade), on as the ainge turns...

Even if he "wins" and Jackson as unlikely as it is becomes better than Fultz there is no way he can win this trade. For a #1 overall pick to only get one additional pick (protected no less) is a massive fail. If you're going to get rid of the #1 that yields such a highly regarded player as Fultz you need more of a return. Colangelo has made a ton of bad moves in his career but he really bent Danny over hard.

we're only moving down 2 slots. getting a likely top-5 pick within the next 2 years seems pretty ok. not a fleecing i agree but by no means a fail.

i think what you're not getting is that most GMs, including ainge, don't see a huge gap from 1-3 (or maybe even 4). colangelo thought it was worth trading up for to get his guy, ainge was happy to get a potential stud in another draft. win win.

In years where there isn't a clear #1 then sure. Fultz was the guy. He's the clear number 1 pick. For reference Webber was traded for 3 number 1s in a draft not unlike this one. You get something like that then sure it makes sense. You get a player with the two picks like a RoCo or even Saric (**** it even Okafor) then it makes sense. Don't give me the line about max cap space because they could have easily traded Crowder and Bradley or one of the two. But he sold it short. What was the point of pulling the trigger on Friday/Saturday. The draft is Thursday. I have a tough time believing that this was the 100% best offer he could have gotten. I'm sorry but with doing this 5 days before the draft you'll find a hard time getting me on board with the notion that this is the best Danny Ainge could do.

[ParticleMan]

Even if he "wins" and Jackson as unlikely as it is becomes better than Fultz there is no way he can win this trade. For a #1 overall pick to only get one additional pick (protected no less) is a massive fail. If you're going to get rid of the #1 that yields such a highly regarded player as Fultz you need more of a return. Colangelo has made a ton of bad moves in his career but he really bent Danny over hard.

we're only moving down 2 slots. getting a likely top-5 pick within the next 2 years seems pretty ok. not a fleecing i agree but by no means a fail.

i think what you're not getting is that most GMs, including ainge, don't see a huge gap from 1-3 (or maybe even 4). colangelo thought it was worth trading up for to get his guy, ainge was happy to get a potential stud in another draft. win win.

In years where there isn't a clear #1 then sure. Fultz was the guy. He's the clear number 1 pick. For reference Webber was traded for 3 number 1s in a draft not unlike this one. You get something like that then sure it makes sense. You get a player with the two picks like a RoCo or even Saric (**** it even Okafor) then it makes sense. Don't give me the line about max cap space because they could have easily traded Crowder and Bradley or one of the two. But he sold it short. What was the point of pulling the trigger on Friday/Saturday. The draft is Thursday. I have a tough time believing that this was the 100% best offer he could have gotten. I'm sorry but with doing this 5 days before the draft you'll find a hard time getting me on board with the notion that this is the best Danny Ainge could do.

i don't think the #1 is as clear as you think it is. certainly danny doesn't agree. i suspect a lot of other GMs don't either. magic was offering the #2 and randle lol, much rather take colangelo's offer.

[chrisab123]

we're only moving down 2 slots. getting a likely top-5 pick within the next 2 years seems pretty ok. not a fleecing i agree but by no means a fail.

i think what you're not getting is that most GMs, including ainge, don't see a huge gap from 1-3 (or maybe even 4). colangelo thought it was worth trading up for to get his guy, ainge was happy to get a potential stud in another draft. win win.

In years where there isn't a clear #1 then sure. Fultz was the guy. He's the clear number 1 pick. For reference Webber was traded for 3 number 1s in a draft not unlike this one. You get something like that then sure it makes sense. You get a player with the two picks like a RoCo or even Saric (**** it even Okafor) then it makes sense. Don't give me the line about max cap space because they could have easily traded Crowder and Bradley or one of the two. But he sold it short. What was the point of pulling the trigger on Friday/Saturday. The draft is Thursday. I have a tough time believing that this was the 100% best offer he could have gotten. I'm sorry but with doing this 5 days before the draft you'll find a hard time getting me on board with the notion that this is the best Danny Ainge could do.

i don't think the #1 is as clear as you think it is. certainly danny doesn't agree. i suspect a lot of other GMs don't either. magic was offering the #2 and randle lol, much rather take colangelo's offer.

Between both of those offers yes the Sixers offer was better. My point is its not like these two were fantastic offers. Why not wait? I'm sorry they aren't making a trade for a star. Wyc has claimed the fireworks thing for years if it happens it will be in FA. Danny blew it way too early. At least give the illusion that you want Fultz.

[JJtheBricklayer]

we're only moving down 2 slots. getting a likely top-5 pick within the next 2 years seems pretty ok. not a fleecing i agree but by no means a fail.

i think what you're not getting is that most GMs, including ainge, don't see a huge gap from 1-3 (or maybe even 4). colangelo thought it was worth trading up for to get his guy, ainge was happy to get a potential stud in another draft. win win.

In years where there isn't a clear #1 then sure. Fultz was the guy. He's the clear number 1 pick. For reference Webber was traded for 3 number 1s in a draft not unlike this one. You get something like that then sure it makes sense. You get a player with the two picks like a RoCo or even Saric (**** it even Okafor) then it makes sense. Don't give me the line about max cap space because they could have easily traded Crowder and Bradley or one of the two. But he sold it short. What was the point of pulling the trigger on Friday/Saturday. The draft is Thursday. I have a tough time believing that this was the 100% best offer he could have gotten. I'm sorry but with doing this 5 days before the draft you'll find a hard time getting me on board with the notion that this is the best Danny Ainge could do.

i don't think the #1 is as clear as you think it is. certainly danny doesn't agree. i suspect a lot of other GMs don't either. magic was offering the #2 and randle lol, much rather take colangelo's offer.

It was clear enough that the 2 teams picking directly behind us were trying to move up and according to the Ainge supporters on the board significant value was paid by them to move up.

Strikes me as strange that the next 2 teams in draft were willing to pay "significant value" when the difference between 1 and the other picks wasnt that big...

[ParticleMan]

In years where there isn't a clear #1 then sure. Fultz was the guy. He's the clear number 1 pick. For reference Webber was traded for 3 number 1s in a draft not unlike this one. You get something like that then sure it makes sense. You get a player with the two picks like a RoCo or even Saric (**** it even Okafor) then it makes sense. Don't give me the line about max cap space because they could have easily traded Crowder and Bradley or one of the two. But he sold it short. What was the point of pulling the trigger on Friday/Saturday. The draft is Thursday. I have a tough time believing that this was the 100% best offer he could have gotten. I'm sorry but with doing this 5 days before the draft you'll find a hard time getting me on board with the notion that this is the best Danny Ainge could do.

i don't think the #1 is as clear as you think it is. certainly danny doesn't agree. i suspect a lot of other GMs don't either. magic was offering the #2 and randle lol, much rather take colangelo's offer.

It was clear enough that the 2 teams picking directly behind us were trying to move up and according to the Ainge supporters on the board significant value was paid by them to move up.

Strikes me as strange that the next 2 teams in draft were willing to pay "significant value" when the difference between 1 and the other picks wasnt that big...

wait, you're calling julius randle "significant value?". ookaay.

a future 1st is pretty significant. team situations differ. GM's evaluations differ. sixers desperately need a PG, we have a glut of guards. so we get a future likely top-5 pick. that is good value.

maybe ainge could have waited a bit and gotten more. or maybe the sixers would have thought about it more and decided it wasn't worth it. you never know. when you have a deal you like, you make it. ainge is pretty good at trades, i don't think there was a billy king deal here to be made.

[nickgammon]

We gon be alright. I think Fultz will be a great player but I'm giving DA the benefit of the doubt. I know people like to rag on him a lot, but the guy has a method to his madness.

[Dannyboy36]

Oh no! We are going to win too many games! The horror, playoff games, winning, maybe we aren't the best team. Boo hoo. I don't want to win games.

Bunch of basketball snowflakes here. Bring on the Cavs and warriors.


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You sound like such a loser. You've never reacted emotionally to anything in sure.

[Captain_Caveman]

Hope he can trade this **** up for Anthony Davis.

If there was ever even the tiniest bit of a chance that we could've traded for Anthony Davis (which there wasn't,) then it went away when the number 1 pick went away.

Except we could easily have two top 5 picks next year, plus 3rd overall picks from the two previous drafts.

[JJtheBricklayer]

I know exactly how this will turn out. We will take Jackson at 3, then in a few months we will hear how we were so so close to several trades but in the end danny didnt see anything he liked. We will also spend the next 5 years talking about how if Jackson just manages to get a jumper he could be special but in the mean time he comes off the bench and uses his "motor" to play with "hustle" and "grit" and have elite defense as he clanks his way to end less 2-7 or 3-10 shooting performances.

Give me Tatum as I dont think I can handle having slightly taller marcus Smart coming off the bench as Fultz puts up 20-25 a game for 5+ years

[tlee324]

meh. let's see what actually happens in a couple of years before declaring this a fail.

ainge has rarely if ever lost a trade. but he hasn't been that great at drafting. which trend will prevail here?

find out next (decade), on as the ainge turns...

Even if he "wins" and Jackson as unlikely as it is becomes better than Fultz there is no way he can win this trade. For a #1 overall pick to only get one additional pick (protected no less) is a massive fail. If you're going to get rid of the #1 that yields such a highly regarded player as Fultz you need more of a return. Colangelo has made a ton of bad moves in his career but he really bent Danny over hard.

we're only moving down 2 slots. getting a likely top-5 pick within the next 2 years seems pretty ok. not a fleecing i agree but by no means a fail.

i think what you're not getting is that most GMs, including ainge, don't see a huge gap from 1-3 (or maybe even 4). colangelo thought it was worth trading up for to get his guy, ainge was happy to get a potential stud in another draft. win win.

People are going to say what they need to say right now... It's mostly stemming from an emotional standpoint based on a justified for Fultz (at least in my opinion it's justified, as there is a lot to like about him).

But yes, we need to see this all the way through in my opinion in order to truly evaluate Ainge's position in all this. Not just what Fultz becomes in comparison to the player Ainge drafts (or trades for), but how it compares to the rest of the roster and free agency. If Fultz isn't head and shoulders ahead of the other drafted player, than ANY extra value was the right move.

[TyCobb]

Fultz is really overrated guys. He has horrible shot selection, lazy defense, too much upper body weight for his knees, sulking attitude when things dont go the way he wants it to, and a false confidence that needs to be reinforced daily.

He is a good fit for the 76ers where he can be third guy, but he is not the #1 leader/difference maker on a team.

You will be very happy in the end. Tatum is much better for Stevens and the Celtics.

[Dannyboy36]

Fultz is really overrated guys. He has horrible shot selection, lazy defense, too much upper body weight for his knees, sulking attitude when things dont go the way he wants it to, and a false confidence that needs to be reinforced daily.

He is a good fit for the 76ers where he can be third guy, but he is not the #1 leader/difference maker on a team.

You will be very happy in the end. Tatum is much better for Stevens and the Celtics.

Could you elaborate more on the false confidence needing to be reinforced? I think a lot of people ( including me) are looking for anything to feel better about this.

[jfs1000d]

Guys. Be honest here. I wanted Fultz because I thought he is a great developmental piece. We traded him for a likely top 5 pick in addition to no. 3. So I am OK with it.

I am wondering if the Fultz people are also the trade IT and punt people.

Are you the above? Honestly.


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[fraanciiscoo]

I'm cured

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[76thBearCub]

I don't think you guys got ripped off.

I think maybe some of you have gotten used to fleece trades by Ainge in the past much the same way we got used to Hinkie's trades.

For context, I think most of us value those Lakers and Kings picks almost as much as you guys have valued your Brooklyn picks, maybe not quite as much as this year when they were the very worst team in the league, but almost as much.

There is a universe where this is a good trade for both teams, even though we might meet up in the playoffs.

[Brett43]

Hope he can trade this **** up for Anthony Davis.

If there was ever even the tiniest bit of a chance that we could've traded for Anthony Davis (which there wasn't,) then it went away when the number 1 pick went away.

Except we could easily have two top 5 picks next year, plus 3rd overall picks from the two previous drafts.

If Danny really thought Fultz was an amazing talent, wouldn't he have taken him? He must like someone else more. If that's the case, it would be stupid not to trade the pick to Philly or LA.

I think we can underestimate the value of the return. Even if it's just one top five pick, the Celtics are way too good to get a pick like that on their one. So, in return for trading #1 for #3 this year, you effectively move up from, say, #27 to #5 in a future year.

This seems smart, as long as we trust in the C's draft player evaluation methodology. Which doesn't seem particularly trustworthy to me.

[Celtic King]

The one really good thing Danny has done is hire Brad Stevens. BS has made our grits and griddles into filet minon. Our roster has many players that were cast offs from other teams. BS has taken them to the Conference Finals. Danny is not all good, but he is not all bad either. I think this trade will backfire on him. Maybe push him into an early retirement. He is getting old and jocks often lose what mental edge they have early. The future is Brad Stevens. As DA fades away BS needs to demand final authority on all roster decisions.

Ultimately time will tell on this trade. I expect Fultz to score pretty well, but Fultz's defense needs a lot of work. Let us hope Danny does not screw up the 3rd pick and hope the second incoming pick is good.

You rave about Brad Stevens, do you not think he was heavily involved in this decision? Of course he was.

[SuperDeluxe]

I'm cured

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I don't think 7 minutes is enough to predict a player's career, but that video looked ugly.