All things Draft Pick. #3

[winsomme2]

This guy is so many levels ahead we are not worthy of questioning his moves. lol.. Dude is a magician with trades.

The beautiful thing about this development is that the Lakers will not be able to sign decent vet free agents to multi-year deals because they need to clear cap to sign PG13. We really do want the Lakers to be lousy again.

yep

So the good thing about the best vet that we could have brought to Boston saying he is going to the Lakers is that it might make a pick better.

Wow. You guys will look at this trade as a win no matter what.

We've spent pages upon pages talking about the other shoe dropping and from where I'm sitting it just just dropped right on our head.

We wanted George to come here. Saying he's going to the Lakers is not good news. That now means that best case scenario is Tatum and Butler....neither of which do I want.

[Slartibartfast]

Kinda sucks if LAL trades for him this year. I like Sac's odds better but a big part of the appeal is the 50/50 odds LAL ends up a bottom 5 team next year.

Makes sense on multiple levels then to make a trade for PG - to keep him from trashing the LAL pick as well as to maximize win-now (as much as I'm pessimistic on winning now).

This screw up a Sixers asset and raises the value of a Celtic asset. 2 top 5 pick in 2018 sounds good but I take my chances with Sac pick in 2019.

No, we want the Lakers to be bad enough to give us a chance at a top 5 pick. We lose a hedge otherwise.

[DK-All Day]

If I'm LA offer #28 and Deng or Mosgov and hang up the phone and wait for the Pacers to call back.

[Sven]

Can't we have it both ways?

In vacuum, I think Danny got a good value for #1 pick. On the other hand, I think Fultz is the only can't miss prospect in this draft. That's why I'm not really sure how to feel about this trade.

A lot of GMs would just decide to play it safe and take Fultz. This is a gamble, and kudos to Ainge for having cojones. I'm not a draft expert so I'm gonna give Danny a benefit of a doubt, but if Fultz turns out to be a stud, I'm gonna hate it. If Tatum is better than Fultz and C's have an extra lotto pick coming in, I'm gonna call him a genius. I don't think that's being a hypocrite.

I didn't mean to say that there is no risk, which is why I say "If these picks turn out this way, everyone is ecstatic." Two top 5s in next year's draft full of bigs makes all the doubters love it, but if we get it parlayed and Sacramento is good somehow, we failed to some extent.

If Fultz is a stud, and we get two studs out of it, we can't hate it. I go to UW and I love Fultz as a prospect, but the higher end of this trade has us richer than we were before, no matter what happens with Fultz bar him being the GOAT. To me, anyone proclaiming we lost the trade is off-base because we don't know how it turns out, but I definitely understand the concern over it, not going to hold it against anyone, just trying to show people its potential value.

[greenroom31]

Just listened to Jonathan Givony on the radio. He didn't understand why Boston would do the deal this early and generally felt Philly "won the deal". He also think Lonzo to LA is all but done and thinks the Celtics will decide between Tatum and Jackson but is currently leaning Tatum.

That's the thing with Ainge deals..unless you fully trust the guy, you won't really get it until it suddenly hits and..

To be fair, Givony was assessing it purely from a draft standpoint. He doesn't think about draft picks as trade assets etc. Seems obvious that's why we did this deal today vs. day of draft but he missed that element.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

All of these reporters, bloggers, the draft express goon squad? None of these dudes are professional scouts. Real nba teams could give two **** about what they have to say about "not understanding the deal" its pretty obvious whats going on here once you take a few steps back and look at the bigger picture.

[darrendaye]

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[CelticsPride18]

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Just as I was warming up to the trade I see this. That can't be true.

[London2Boston]

Memphis pick /Rozier/Crowder and AB for PG

Crazy overpay for a rental. If he agrees to an extension then I'm fine trading AB and Crowder and a better pick, but otherwise then we shouldn't do that.

[Green89]

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Deal starting to get worse, but there's no way Danny would have done this if there's a chance we get neither pick, would he?

[Sven]

I like this trade but the parameters might make me go from hot to lukewarm on it. At the very least it might make me go from keep the picks to trade the picks.

[Cornbread]

I thought the trade was for a future pick that may end up being just another Michael Jordan? Now I see where the disagreement is...

Stop using hyperbole. They traded Markelle Fultz for pick three and another likely high lottery pick.

You keep implying that every other team must have been falling over themselves to get Fultz, but who?

- the Lakers don't have an asset, outside of perhaps Ingram, that is worth more than the LAL/SAC pick.
- the Suns haven't shown any indication that they are interested in Fultz. Plus Bender, Chriss, Warren etc are all worth less than the pick.
- 3 and LAL/SAC is worth more than 5/10. No reason to believe they would offer more than that.

So what are these magical trades that everyone MUST have been willing to do that Ainge missed the boat on?

Brother, the problem is the return. You have the #1 pick, you have all the leverage. To accept one extra pick that may be a total flame out and a move down two slots to select a player that's worth less in the eyes of the other lottery teams isn't fair value.

Again, do you think the Sixers would accept the Suns 4th pick and their 2018 pick for Fultz? Yeah, probably not.

This is getting ridiculous. Morey called Ainge the best negotiator he has ever seen (and these are not used car salesman). The assets in the deal that you are debating is the direct result of a deal that Ainge architected which is now being recognized as the most lopsided in NBA HISTORY and has yet to bear all of it's delicious fruits. There is a very good chance that Ainge will be selecting the same player at 3 that he would have at 1 this week with an additional high lottery pick with transcendent players up top. 75% of GM's wouldnt have even had the foresight to hide their hand to put themselves in a position to extract this extremely valuable asset. If you want to waste your time debating if drafting Fultz would is better than some other completely unknown outcome then by my guest... but claiming that Ainge didn't get 'fair value' and you personally could have extracted more out of Colangelo is borderline

The way I picture the deal:

Ainge calls BC: "Any interest in trading up to 1"
BC: "No thanks. The top 3 are all pretty similar"

(Ainge strategically leaks a ton of juicy fluff on Fultz to the media)

BC calls Ainge: "Okay, we'll trade up but only for a heavily protected pick"
Ainge: "Bitch, I'll tell you what protections are going on that pick!"

[BigTrade92]

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Here we go...

Already a sh#t sandwich. Mind as well burn the bread....

[darrendaye]

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Just as I was warming up to the trade I see this. That can't be true.

I'm holding out irrational hope that this is actually a provision that benefits the Celtics, such as if the pick falls out of the top 10, the Celts get a 2021 Sixers pick or something like that.

EDIT: There was chatter about a "protected Sixer 2021 pick being involved at some point, which is why I'm suggesting this "longshot" possibility.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

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Just as I was warming up to the trade I see this. That can't be true.

Now this, would be bad.

[London2Boston]

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Ainge really wants to be fired. Philly bent him over if so. They were the supposed desperate party trying to snatch the first pick yet are the ones placing protections all over the place.

[DK-All Day]

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[fallguy]

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Just as I was warming up to the trade I see this. That can't be true.

Now this, would be bad.

Not sure we're keeping this pick.

[TheOGJabroni]

Memphis pick /Rozier/Crowder and AB for PG

Crazy overpay for a rental. If he agrees to an extension then I'm fine trading AB and Crowder and a better pick, but otherwise then we shouldn't do that.

It may be an overpay but if we want to maintain cap flexibility, it may need to be something like this unfortunately. That's the one "downfall" to have zero bad contracts. Also, more likely we go after Jimmy with all that considered.

[CelticsLV]

The beautiful thing about this development is that the Lakers will not be able to sign decent vet free agents to multi-year deals because they need to clear cap to sign PG13. We really do want the Lakers to be lousy again.

yep

So the good thing about the best vet that we could have brought to Boston saying he is going to the Lakers is that it might make a pick better.

Wow. You guys will look at this trade as a win no matter what.

We've spent pages upon pages talking about the other shoe dropping and from where I'm sitting it just just dropped right on our head.

We wanted George to come here. Saying he's going to the Lakers is not good news. That now means that best case scenario is Tatum and Butler....neither of which do I want.

Who says he's going this season? In case he goes then we already have SAC19 as a back up. You think Sacramento will be good in the coming years? For you every bottom dweller is about to make playoffs.