Draft Discussion Part 3

[JoRain]

I dont know why people keep questioning why we would take Jackson when he hasnt worked out for us.

Our FO went to Sacramento to watch him workout. We have scouts that have been watching him since HS no doubt.

As for who out of us and the Kings gave him a promise, im pretty sure it was us. One of those "If your still on the boards you are ours" promises. I just dont see the Kings giving him a promise, i mean im not too worried about his character issues, but would the Kings take that chance? They already had Cousins, who is dominant as fuuuuuuuuu on the court, and where did that get them? They've had issues with troublemakers in the past and have been trying to clean up their lockeroom. Not to mention FOX FOX FOX! I just dont see them promising Jackson.

it's not about taking him, it's about promise. Rumor about promise to JJ actually came out before Suns met him in Sac town. Agree that between Suns and Kings, Suns sound much more likely to make that promise, but still doesn't sound smart to make such promise before working the guy out.

[Kerrsed]

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To the trade machine we go!!!

[JMac1]

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Bledsoe could be instrumental with those Miami picks. Also Bledsoe Booker George......is a nice trio!

[darealjuice]

I would really prefer that we don't give up any assets to bring in PG for a year before he bolts to LA. I don't mind being the 3rd team to help facilitate the trade with salaries in return for assets though.

[NTB]

I would really prefer that we don't give up any assets to bring in PG for a year before he bolts to LA. I don't mind being the 3rd team to help facilitate the trade with salaries in return for assets though.

That's what I understood from that tweet.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Bledsoe could be instrumental with those Miami picks. Also Bledsoe Booker George......is a nice trio!

Suns wouldn't be getting george i think what he's saying is the suns would be willing to take some salary back along with an aset to help facilitate at George deal. Who knows maybe there is some truth to the rumors of mosgov or deng to move up from 4 to 2.



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[Kerrsed]

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Bledsoe could be instrumental with those Miami picks. Also Bledsoe Booker George......is a nice trio!

George is LA bound. He is insinuating we would be the 3rd team in a Lakers/Pacers deal.

Heres an idea:

Lakers get PG13
Pacers get Bledsoe/Ingram/Deng
Suns get Russell/Stephenson/Jefferson.

Lakers end up giving up Ingram who plays SF just like George instead of giving up their pick (Ball). They also are able to Dump Deng.

Pacers upgrade and solidify their PG spot by nabbing Bledsoe and not having to dish out a big money deal to FA Teague. They also get last years #2 overall pick in Ingram. They take on Deng, but get to dump a bad contract of their own (Jefferson).

Suns turn Bledsoe into Bookers buddy Russell. Jefferson gives us offense off the bench at C for the next few years (and saves us from matching whatever horrible contract is offered to Len) and we...uh...we also score Lance baby!

Maybe some picks are thrown in there as well (No idea from whom to whom).

[darealjuice]

I would really prefer that we don't give up any assets to bring in PG for a year before he bolts to LA. I don't mind being the 3rd team to help facilitate the trade with salaries in return for assets though.

That's what I understood from that tweet.

Yeah just saw mention of a Bled/Booker/George trio and was confused

[blee732]

Yeah picking up George makes no sense for us, that would just put us in the back-half of the lottery next year.

My dream scenario as the 3rd team would be somehow extracting the 2nd pick from LAL without giving up #4. Probably a pipe dream though!

[darealjuice]

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Bledsoe could be instrumental with those Miami picks. Also Bledsoe Booker George......is a nice trio!

George is LA bound. He is insinuating we would be the 3rd team in a Lakers/Pacers deal.

Heres an idea:

Lakers get PG13
Pacers get Bledsoe/Ingram/Deng
Suns get Russell/Stephenson/Jefferson.

Lakers end up giving up Ingram who plays SF just like George instead of giving up their pick (Ball). They also are able to Dump Deng.

Pacers upgrade and solidify their PG spot by nabbing Bledsoe and not having to dish out a big money deal to FA Teague. They also get last years #2 overall pick in Ingram. They take on Deng, but get to dump a bad contract of their own (Jefferson).

Suns turn Bledsoe into Bookers buddy Russell. Jefferson gives us offense off the bench at C for the next few years (and saves us from matching whatever horrible contract is offered to Len) and we...uh...we also score Lance baby!

Maybe some picks are thrown in there as well (No idea from whom to whom).

Lakers are not giving up Ingram and Russell to get PG when he has said he intends to sign there as an FA..

[Kerrsed]

Or even:

Lakers get PG13/Bledsoe
Pacers get Russell/Ingram
Suns get Mozgov/#2

Lakers give up alot but get alot. They add 2 fringe all-stars and clear MozGov's salary.

Pacers get a pretty damn good haul for a player they know is gone.

Suns turn Bledsoe into a bad contract, but also net the #2 while keeping the #4.

[AtheJ415]

If we could get Russell or the 2nd pick outright for taking on salary to facilitate the trade it is a no brainer. Even if I had to include one of the vets.

Push comes to shove I'd even consider giving Bledsoe up, though I would not include the Miami pick. Next year's draft is awesome and they aren't a guarantee to be great despite how they finished the year. I think it is unlikely they ultimately get Hayward or anybody else who moves the needle.

Pick 2 gets you Ball, which is a great replacement for Bledsoe, or you could Russell who also is a great replacement. Nothing else from LA makes sense for us as facilitators b/c they don't have many future picks that would be valuable once they add George, and they aren't trading Ingram. Randle is not a fit here. Maybe Zubac, but he isn't valuable enough to eat that type of long-term salary.

[NTB]

Or even:

Lakers get PG13/Bledsoe
Pacers get Russell/Ingram
Suns get Mozgov/#2

Lakers give up alot but get alot. They add 2 fringe all-stars and clear MozGov's salary.

Pacers get a pretty damn good haul for a player they know is gone.

Suns turn Bledsoe into a bad contract, but also net the #2 while keeping the #4.

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[DirtyDez]

I'm down for taking contracts if it means two top-5 picks. Any trade where we're sending the pick out is a non starter.

Same goes for Russell. Don't want him if we're sending out #4.

[AtheJ415]

Or even:

Lakers get PG13/Bledsoe
Pacers get Russell/Ingram
Suns get Mozgov/#2

Lakers give up alot but get alot. They add 2 fringe all-stars and clear MozGov's salary.

Pacers get a pretty damn good haul for a player they know is gone.

Suns turn Bledsoe into a bad contract, but also net the #2 while keeping the #4.

I don't think they will move Ingram based on what has been said,but I do feel like Russell can/will be moved at some point. This is the only type of trade that makes sense for Phoenix. We can eat a horrible salary, but not enough to just move up from 4 to 2, but eating that salary plus including Bledsoe ought to get us something like #2 or Russell at the least imo.

I think Randle to Pacers is more likely than Ingram. Russell to us and #2 to Pacers also might be an option.

[AtheJ415]

Or even:

Lakers get PG13/Bledsoe
Pacers get Russell/Ingram
Suns get Mozgov/#2

Lakers give up alot but get alot. They add 2 fringe all-stars and clear MozGov's salary.

Pacers get a pretty damn good haul for a player they know is gone.

Suns turn Bledsoe into a bad contract, but also net the #2 while keeping the #4.

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Right, but this isn't just for George, who is an FA in 1 year, this includes Bledsoe and them cutting salary, which they will have to do anyways.

[Kerrsed]

Or even:

Lakers get PG13/Bledsoe
Pacers get Russell/Ingram
Suns get Mozgov/#2

Lakers give up alot but get alot. They add 2 fringe all-stars and clear MozGov's salary.

Pacers get a pretty damn good haul for a player they know is gone.

Suns turn Bledsoe into a bad contract, but also net the #2 while keeping the #4.

I don't think they will move Ingram based on what has been said,but I do feel like Russell can/will be moved at some point. This is the only type of trade that makes sense for Phoenix. We can eat a horrible salary, but not enough to just move up from 4 to 2, but eating that salary plus including Bledsoe ought to get us something like #2 or Russell at the least imo.

I think Randle to Pacers is more likely than Ingram. Russell to us and #2 to Pacers also might be an option.

I was originally thinking Randle, but then i remember all the fuss that George was making about how he wasnt a PF and the Pacers needed to stop using him as a power forward. He is a SF and he knows it and didnt like having to try to bang with much bigger guys. Then you look at the Lakers squad, there is no way in hell that Ingram can play PF and i have a hard time seeing him play SG either. He had a horrible horrible rookie season on top of it all.

SO if they were to bring in George this season, what happens to Ingram? very little minutes off the bench behind all-star George? That not going to help Ingrams play or his trade value at all. I say strike while the iron is hot. In my scenarios, both Ingram and Russell become expendable. The lakers also clear cap space and start the build right away, so next season they dont have to try to make multiple crazy trades to accomplish what they are trying to do. If you can get George a year early for expendable pieces while also clearing capspace, you do it, so next season you dont have to worry about that aspect, and can move on to the next star player you are trying to obtain.

[Nyce_1]

@stevekylerNBA: Continue to hear Jonathan Isaac is their guy at 4, unless someone falls.

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[darealjuice]

Man draft day is going to be interesting. Feels like the only sure thing is Fultz going #1 right now.

[blee732]

I think there's a very good reason why the Lakers want to trade for PG13 now - his bird rights.

If they trade for him now, I believe he can wait to resign in 2018 while they pursue another 1-2 star players with cap space, then get resigned over the cap with his bird rights. If they wait until 2018 to get George, I think their cap space would prevent them from signing another major player (assuming they're trying to complete with the Warriors).

I don't know the details of the CBA, but I think that's how it can work. Correct me if I'm wrong though.