All things Draft Pick. #3

[Jaqua92]

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Imagine Cavs snatched him and he stayed instead of going LA

Gimmie a damn break, if George ends up there.

That'd be absurd. Danny should go for it, just to.keep him away from Cleveland

[GregB]

I really think we are getting Paul George now. He wants to win and no other team besides Cleveland and GS has a better shot than us. He just annihilated his trade value, so we shouldn't have to overpay for him.

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Lakers are so poorly managed. Guy is falling on himself to get there and they have so much crap they signed they are going to have to pay to get rid of it.

Unreal bad management.

[Sven]

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Imagine Cavs snatched him and he stayed instead of going LA

At that point, you have to trade for him, otherwise passing on developing Fultz sure looks pretty stupid, considering there'd be absolutely ZERO chance you'd be beating Cleveland or Golden State for the foreseeable future.

Or, if we don't think Fultz is that much better than whoever we are going to draft, we keep the picks and we have an extra top 5 pick one of the next two years. We kick the draft lotto can down the road one more year, and set ourselves up with more prospects with which to contend post-Warriors/Cavs. I'm not sure if I prefer us trading the picks or keeping them at this point.

[BigTrade92]

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Imagine Cavs snatched him and he stayed instead of going LA

At that point, you have to trade for him, otherwise passing on developing Fultz sure looks pretty stupid, considering there'd be absolutely ZERO chance you'd be beating Cleveland or Golden State for the foreseeable future.

Or, if we don't think Fultz is that much better than whoever we are going to draft, we keep the picks and we have an extra top 5 pick one of the next two years. We kick the draft lotto can down the road one more year, and set ourselves up with more prospects with which to contend post-Warriors/Cavs. I'm not sure if I prefer us trading the picks or keeping them at this point.

Yes, thank you for laying out what not trading for PG would look like.

[London2Boston]

Meh. Let George go LA. If he's so desperate to play there then he can't be that serious about winning a ring. Unless of course this is the usual LA links for impending Free Agents.

[The Rondo Show]

I really think we are getting Paul George now. He wants to win and no other team besides Cleveland and GS has a better shot than us.

If he wanted to win above all else, you wouldn't be hearing about the Lakers as the frontrunner for where he ends up. I mean I suppose you could say he thinks LeBron ends up there too, but this George to LA thing was rumored well before Cavs even got beat badly in Finals and the rumors of LeBron leaving started.

Now for the right price, I think you take your shot at changing his mind. But wouldn't neccessarily say we are getting him because Ainge may think he's dead set on LA and it's not worth it. If he really was just about winning and wanted to come here? Ainge would be all in on acquiring a talent like this, but that's not the case. Pretty clear it's a rental situation where you HOPE to change his mind over the course of the next year.

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I won't believe it until Sherrod tweets that it won't happen.

Doesn't work that way. Many things Sherrod says are true.

It's only the ones that other people haven't said before that are guaranteed to be wrong.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Tatum's efficiency in a strong conference is comparable to Fultz' numbers when he played against good competition. I see them as similar offensive talents - Tatum to me is something like a splice of Pierce and Walker. Pierce's offensive ability, amazing midrange game, developing perimeter shot, footwork, handles, quicks, post ups. Like Antoine because he may be a tweener, he doesn't have great hops, and the Pierce comparisons depend on him tightening his shot, moves, handles- if he doesn't, a lot of self-owns dribbling the ball off his foot like Toine used to, and shots that look like Hall of Fame material leaving his hand, but miss.

Ceiling Tatum? Perfect hybrid forward, what we wanted from Jeff Green - quick and creative enough to get by 4's, strong enough to overpower 3's, and sometimes strong enough to overpower 4's, quick enough to blow by 3's. And has the frame to become a great defender. How well he'd rebound as a 3/4 IDK, he won't be like Marion.. But he could be a more athletic Jabari Parker, a less tightly wound Aaron Gordon. He's also someone who Danny is likely judging based on his high school, tournament, camp performances, too. He's been considered a top 3 prospect for awhile, originally as a 2 guard, I think.

Fultz is more polished atm, at least against crappy defenders, Ball had a better year, Jackson is nastier, a better defender, and has court vision, point forward skills Tatum definitely doesn't. But if you can sculpt Jayson's game over 2-3 years, then apart from the fact he needs to have someone get him the ball and can't attack a defense the same way Fultz might, he has the most offensive potential of anyone in the draft, definite tier 1 guy. And he may not reach it, but great defensive potential, too.

Don't know if he's a natural in the midrange or just highly advanced. Has work to do attacking the basket. Shot is coming along, just needs reps.

The Pierce comparisons are going to be coming from the midrange jab game, and the fact he's being underrated from his college performance.

His moves and shots look a little rushed sometimes - Antoine did that, so did Bradley - but the eye test for me says he has so much dexterity he hasn't figured out how to use it yet. Like he's got so many degrees of control over his limbs he hasn't locked in what's most effective, so he's coordinated/uncoordinated at the same time. No evidence for that, though.

His floor is tweener/bust/Morris twins. That's the downside - whereas if Josh Jackson never gets an ounce better he's super-Crowder.

[djFan71]

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Imagine Cavs snatched him and he stayed instead of going LA

I've been team George for a while, but Cleveland's the big fear. They have no reason not to offer Love and maybe even sweeten it with future firsts. PG & LeBron are the perfect 3/4 pairing. Win the title next year in Cleveland. Like it so much they decide to do it again in LAC the following year with the banana boat crew. Crazy thing is it's not out of the realm... Then IND is sitting pretty with that unprotected 2020 CLE pick.

[Sven]

At that point, you have to trade for him, otherwise passing on developing Fultz sure looks pretty stupid, considering there'd be absolutely ZERO chance you'd be beating Cleveland or Golden State for the foreseeable future.

Or, if we don't think Fultz is that much better than whoever we are going to draft, we keep the picks and we have an extra top 5 pick one of the next two years. We kick the draft lotto can down the road one more year, and set ourselves up with more prospects with which to contend post-Warriors/Cavs. I'm not sure if I prefer us trading the picks or keeping them at this point.

Yes, thank you for laying out what not trading for PG would look like.

Passing on Fultz is not dumb based on anything Paul George does unless our only plan of action is to cash in all of our chips in order to win a championship. If we miss out on Paul George and he goes to Cleveland, we have the option of staying put, and it only becomes dumb based on whether or not the picks pan out, not how many rings George wins with LeBron. I'm just responding to your logic that we must trade for Paul George so that he doesn't go to CLE.

[BigTrade92]

Or, if we don't think Fultz is that much better than whoever we are going to draft, we keep the picks and we have an extra top 5 pick one of the next two years. We kick the draft lotto can down the road one more year, and set ourselves up with more prospects with which to contend post-Warriors/Cavs. I'm not sure if I prefer us trading the picks or keeping them at this point.

Yes, thank you for laying out what not trading for PG would look like.

Passing on Fultz is not dumb based on anything Paul George does unless our only plan of action is to cash in all of our chips in order to win a championship. If we miss out on Paul George and he goes to Cleveland, we have the option of staying put, and it only becomes dumb based on whether or not the picks pan out, not how many rings George wins with LeBron. I'm just responding to your logic that we must trade for Paul George so that he doesn't go to CLE.

It's completely dumb in general considering Fultz is going to be a stud. And I'm not going to argue the hypotheticals of whether or not that will be true. Time will decide that.

George going to the Cavs only heightens the shortsightedness, as we would have the ample time to develop Fultz. Then we strike and take over once Cleveland/Golden State fades. Alas, Ainge has ruined any part of this coming to fruition anyways, so it's a moot point.

[Jaqua92]

George has said he prefers to play in LA. prefers.

He has also said he wants to play with Hayward, meet IT, and retweeted the someone talking about Celtics trading #1.

I am 100% convinced if we trade for George, he will be here for the long haul. The LA stuff is just talk.

Cleveland is in talks with indiana. Thats huge. Danny should take advantage of this. We get George, he's not going anywhere

[TheOGJabroni]

If he goes to Cleveland, that has to mean the end of Love there right? Wonder if we'd try to swoop in

[GregB]

George has said he prefers to play in LA. prefers.

He has also said he wants to play with Hayward, meet IT, and retweeted the someone talking about Celtics trading #1.

I am 100% convinced if we trade for George, he will be here for the long haul. The LA stuff is just talk.

Cleveland is in talks with indiana. Thats huge. Danny should take advantage of this. We get George, he's not going anywhere

Also after this leak about the Lakers. He should be able to be acquired for a reasonable/great price. If Danny trades him , he must think we have a great chance of keeping him.

[BigTrade92]

George has said he prefers to play in LA. prefers.

He has also said he wants to play with Hayward, meet IT, and retweeted the someone talking about Celtics trading #1.

I am 100% convinced if we trade for George, he will be here for the long haul. The LA stuff is just talk.

Cleveland is in talks with indiana. Thats huge. Danny should take advantage of this. We get George, he's not going anywhere

Agreed. If we build a super-team and make the Finals, he's not bouncing for LA.

Now that the Fultz option is gone, I'd trade for George immediately. Then get to work on Hayward/Griffin.

[KamikazeK]

If he goes to Cleveland, that has to mean the end of Love there right? Wonder if we'd try to swoop in

Sign Hayward and deal for Love by routing PG to Cleveland.

Thomas/Bradley/Hayward/Love/Horford

I'd roll out with that team next year.

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Imagine Cavs snatched him and he stayed instead of going LA

At that point, you have to trade for him, otherwise passing on developing Fultz sure looks pretty stupid, considering there'd be absolutely ZERO chance you'd be beating Cleveland or Golden State for the foreseeable future.

If we sign a max FA, also acquiring George would almost surely mean sending out one or two more guys from our current core than would otherwise be necessary, for reasons of salary match. The main way it's only one is if we preserve Olynyk's rights rather than renouncing him, and then he signs somewhere for a lot of money in a S&T. The only other way that comes to mind is an absurdly complex scenarion in whch we S&T for the max FA, while sending multiple of our current bigs out on S&Ts as well.

So getting him for super, super cheap may be impractical anyway on our end.

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No way do I risk assets on Paul George. Not worth it even if there is a slim chance he bolts to LA.

[BigTrade92]

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Imagine Cavs snatched him and he stayed instead of going LA

At that point, you have to trade for him, otherwise passing on developing Fultz sure looks pretty stupid, considering there'd be absolutely ZERO chance you'd be beating Cleveland or Golden State for the foreseeable future.

If we sign a max FA, also acquiring George would almost surely mean sending out one or two more guys from our current core than would otherwise be necessary, for reasons of salary match. The main way it's only one is if we preserve Olynyk's rights rather than renouncing him, and then he signs somewhere for a lot of money in a S&T. The only other way that comes to mind is an absurdly complex scenarion in whch we S&T for the max FA, while sending multiple of our current bigs out on S&Ts as well.

So getting him for super, super cheap may be impractical anyway on our end.

Yeah, I'm under the impression that any trade for George begins with sending out Bradley and Crowder, with Zeller for filler.