Woj: Paul George informs Pacers he plans to leave them in 2018 free agency, prefers Lakers.

[Kupchak9]

If I'm Indy, put a real asset on the table (russell, Ingram, 2) or I ship George to another team he might stay with for free just to spite you.

Enjoy losing a top draft pick.

Aside from Cleveland, who would be willing to give up anything of significance? Boston isn't shipping any of their gazillion assets for a guy who could walk. Maybe Phoenix?

doesnt matter. Every team in the league would beat Clarkson and 28 for a rented PG, 10 or so would beat Randle, Clarkson 28. If I'm Indy I definitely call Magic and start talking about Kevin Love.

Seems like you're more interested in spiting the Lakers than you are in other team's making logical decisions to improve.

[Karmaloop]

doesnt matter. Every team in the league would beat Clarkson and 28 for a rented PG, 10 or so would beat Randle, Clarkson 28. If I'm Indy I definitely call Magic and start talking about Kevin Love.

Again, whose going to make an offer that beats that package knowing full well that there is a very good chance that George walks at the end of the year? Yes, other teams can beat that package. Will they? I remain skeptical.

Right now, Cleveland is probably the "best" opportunity for Indiana to keep value. And that's if they can make a Love-for-George swap work.

[pelifan]

Aside from Cleveland, who would be willing to give up anything of significance? Boston isn't shipping any of their gazillion assets for a guy who could walk. Maybe Phoenix?

doesnt matter. Every team in the league would beat Clarkson and 28 for a rented PG, 10 or so would beat Randle, Clarkson 28. If I'm Indy I definitely call Magic and start talking about Kevin Love.

Seems like you're more interested in spiting the Lakers than you are in other team's making logical decisions to improve.

Clarkson 28 isnt even worth the PR and ticket sales lost moving George.

[Andre Roberstan]

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[pelifan]

doesnt matter. Every team in the league would beat Clarkson and 28 for a rented PG, 10 or so would beat Randle, Clarkson 28. If I'm Indy I definitely call Magic and start talking about Kevin Love.

Again, whose going to make an offer that beats that package knowing full well that there is a very good chance that George walks at the end of the year? Yes, other teams can beat that package. Will they? I remain skeptical.

Right now, Cleveland is probably the "best" opportunity for Indiana to keep value. And that's if they can make a Love-for-George swap work.

You don't think NO goes around offering their next first round pick to every team in the league? we give those out like hotcakes.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

If I was the Lakers, I would be a little hesitant to make a trade for George without an extension. What if he gets there, the team has a challenging year, maybe he catches criticism from the press or the fan-base and he is suddenly hesitant to ink a long-term deal?

[Kupchak9]

doesnt matter. Every team in the league would beat Clarkson and 28 for a rented PG, 10 or so would beat Randle, Clarkson 28. If I'm Indy I definitely call Magic and start talking about Kevin Love.

Seems like you're more interested in spiting the Lakers than you are in other team's making logical decisions to improve.

Clarkson 28 isnt even worth the PR and ticket sales lost moving George.

No realistic offer is worth the PR and revenue lost of moving George. But the way you come off in your comments gives the impression that you would much rather see the Lakers simply fail in this pursuit. You encourage other team's to give up valuable assets for 1 year of PG just so they have a slim chance of hurting the Lakers in the end. That's just petty.

[dalton749]

I think he is Boston's to lose, if they want him, they'll win the bidding war. I think next on deck will be Between Toronto and Washington. I'm not sure any other teams have either the assets to compete with those 3, or the confidence that he will stay.
Washington with something around Otto porter, Toronto with something around Powell, valanciunas


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[Karmaloop]

You don't think NO goes around offering their next first round pick to every team in the league? we give those out like hotcakes.

What kind of value do you truly believe that NO 1st really holds? A roster with George, AD, and Cousins is going to win a BUNCH of games, so you're likely looking at a 20+ pick a year into the future. That holds very little value. The 28th pick >>> future NO 1st if they acquire Paul George.

[Karmaloop]

I think he is Boston's to lose, if they want him, they'll win the bidding war. I think next on deck will be Between Toronto and Washington. I'm not sure any other teams have either the assets to compete with those 3, or the confidence that he will stay.
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Ainge isn't dealing any notable assets for a potential rental. He's gearing up for Jimmy Butler if anyone.

[mademan]

I think he is Boston's to lose, if they want him, they'll win the bidding war. I think next on deck will be Between Toronto and Washington. I'm not sure any other teams have either the assets to compete with those 3, or the confidence that he will stay.
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Porters a FA, nobody wants Val and Powell's a middling prospect. If Boston puts out a real offer, he's theirs. If not, many teams can beat that Toronto offer

[pelifan]

Seems like you're more interested in spiting the Lakers than you are in other team's making logical decisions to improve.

Clarkson 28 isnt even worth the PR and ticket sales lost moving George.

No realistic offer is worth the PR and revenue lost of moving George. But the way you come off in your comments gives the impression that you would much rather see the Lakers simply fail in this pursuit. You encourage other team's to give up valuable assets for 1 year of PG just so they have a slim chance of hurting the Lakers in the end. That's just petty.

I would give up 2 firsts for George as NO. Not to spite the Lakers, just to have a chance at a real contender. Sure I'd be a petty GM if I were one. But I'm trying to be realistic with Lakers fans here. A Thad Young rental went for more than some are proposing

[Magic_Johnny12]

If I'm NO I would legit mortgage the entire franchise on trying to pair George with Cousins/Davis even with no commitment and simply resign Holiday to whatever he wants.

I mean as many unprotected picks Indiana wants and whatever salary they want back. Even then I doubt Pacers budge.

[pelifan]

If I'm NO I would legit mortgage the entire franchise on trying to pair George with Cousins/Davis even with no commitment and simply resign Holiday to whatever he wants.

I mean as many unprotected picks Indiana wants and whatever salary they want back. Even then I doubt Pacers budge.

sure but that still beats Lakers offers. Demps in full job saving mode. GM's dont care about 4 or 5 years down the road and neither does Tom Benson. Plenty more franchises are like this.

A shot at convincing a superstar to stay and one year of contender relevance is absolutely worth it for some franchises.

[NoZoLakers]

If I'm NO I would legit mortgage the entire franchise on trying to pair George with Cousins/Davis even with no commitment and simply resign Holiday to whatever he wants.

I mean as many unprotected picks Indiana wants and whatever salary they want back. Even then I doubt Pacers budge.

Expect they have to send ugly contracts like hill and asik to make deal possible lol

[pelifan]

If I'm NO I would legit mortgage the entire franchise on trying to pair George with Cousins/Davis even with no commitment and simply resign Holiday to whatever he wants.

I mean as many unprotected picks Indiana wants and whatever salary they want back. Even then I doubt Pacers budge.

Expect they have to send ugly contracts like hill and asik to make deal possible lol

Moore, Ajinca and Pondexter, 2 firsts for George. Maybe full Billy King and swap rights for the next century, we're the Pelicans. 1 season of glory is enough for me. Give me a western conference finals appearance.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

I think George's camp is leaking this on purpose to get traded to a contender this summer. He clearly doesn't want to return to Indiana for the start of the season. If he was planning to go to LA in free agency regardless, there would be no need to leak this. Contenders do not normally have capspace, so the only way to instigate a trade to a contender this summer it to threaten to sign with LA the following summer through free agency.

At the same time, Indiana isn't taking back toxic garbage to make a deal so any contender would have to put a package together with some positive assets. Probably not a great package given he is a rental obviously.

[Kupchak9]

Clarkson 28 isnt even worth the PR and ticket sales lost moving George.

No realistic offer is worth the PR and revenue lost of moving George. But the way you come off in your comments gives the impression that you would much rather see the Lakers simply fail in this pursuit. You encourage other team's to give up valuable assets for 1 year of PG just so they have a slim chance of hurting the Lakers in the end. That's just petty.

I would give up 2 firsts for George as NO. Not to spite the Lakers, just to have a chance at a real contender. Sure I'd be a petty GM if I were one. But I'm trying to be realistic with Lakers fans here. A Thad Young rental went for more than some are proposing

I'll speak on behalf of Lakers fans here that we are not attempting to set the bar here for what a PG rental is worth. We're comfortable with waiting it out another year and making a pitch in FA. Clarkson and #28 is being thrown around here alot, but that's just what we are content with offering. Every poster is free to offer up a better package to represent their team. That doesn't take away from the fact that you're paying for a rental that strongly prefers the Lakers. I'd like to see the list of teams willing to give up multiple draft picks to take the chance on PG.

Secondly, not every team has the luxury of having AD and Cousins to recruit George. But looking past that, the earliest pick you would be able to offer is 2019. If I'm trading PG, why am I waiting 2 years to collect on a mediocre asset. Also, how do you make salaries match? You have a cap hold on Holiday. Any trade for PG would have to include one of Hill or Asik. That's surely no consolation for Indiana....

[pelifan]

No realistic offer is worth the PR and revenue lost of moving George. But the way you come off in your comments gives the impression that you would much rather see the Lakers simply fail in this pursuit. You encourage other team's to give up valuable assets for 1 year of PG just so they have a slim chance of hurting the Lakers in the end. That's just petty.

I would give up 2 firsts for George as NO. Not to spite the Lakers, just to have a chance at a real contender. Sure I'd be a petty GM if I were one. But I'm trying to be realistic with Lakers fans here. A Thad Young rental went for more than some are proposing

I'll speak on behalf of Lakers fans here that we are not attempting to set the bar here for what a PG rental is worth. We're comfortable with waiting it out another year and making a pitch in FA. Clarkson and #28 is being thrown around here alot, but that's just what we are content with offering. Every poster is free to offer up a better package to represent their team. That doesn't take away from the fact that you're paying for a rental that strongly prefers the Lakers. I'd like to see the list of teams willing to give up multiple draft picks to take the chance on PG.

Secondly, not every team has the luxury of having AD and Cousins to recruit George. But looking past that, the earliest pick you would be able to offer is 2019. If I'm trading PG, why am I waiting 2 years to collect on a mediocre asset. Also, how do you make salaries match? You have a cap hold on Holiday. Any trade for PG would have to include one of Hill or Asik. That's surely no consolation for Indiana....

nah we can do 2018 after the draft and 2020 and Moore, Ajinca, QPon

[dakomish23]

Disagree. Put this guy on SAS LAC BOS TOR and you're in the mix

I'll give you the Spurs, the other, no

No way, not even the Spurs. Who's the Point? Patty Mills? Who are their bigs? LMA and hopefully a replacement for Pau if opts out but probably just Pau? No chance a lineup of: Mills/PG/Kawhi/LMA/Pau challenges Curry/Klay/Andre/KD/Dray. Not even close. The wing really isn't where the Spurs need help, they've got Danny, J. Simmons looks solid, they're fine there. They're gonna need a point and a 2nd big to play with LMA, if CP3 goes there I give them much better odds of making noise than if PG does.

None of those other teams move the needle just with the PG addition. That's what's so crazy about the Warriors, except for the Cavs no-one is 1 step away from competing with them. Everyone is at least 2. If Boston trades for PG and then signs Hayward than on paper they're in the convo except that brand new group isn't gonna gel right away and then you have to convince PG to stay the next year. What does LAC even trade for him? Have to be DAj or a S&T with Blake, Cp3/PG/DAJ or Cp3/PG/Blake, nice team but not beating the Ws. TOR? Are we joking around now?

I think you may be severely underestimating the impact of adding a top 10 player to a 50 win roster. 20 PPG in his sleep and elite defensive capability. This is guy a seamless fit and a starter on 30 teams IMO.

It's not like I'm adding him to cellar dwellers.