Draft Discussion Part 3

[ray ray]

if a trade happened between the Lakers, Pacers and Suns, it would look something like this...

Incoming:
Lakers:
Paul George

Pacers :
Brandon Knight
TJ Warren

Suns:
Loul Deng
Lakers 2nd overall pick

The Suns are NOT taking a contract without getting some value out of it. The Suns would now have the 2nd and 4th overall pick..

I love TJ. But Ball/Jackson would an insane haul. I'm torn.

Im not a Ball fanBoy, but id do it.

I just dont see how Indiana trades the best player in the trade and only ends up with Warren and Knights bad contract. Only way is if they dont want to re-sign Teague (who will cost more than Knight to keep), and think Knight can actually have a resurgence as a Pacer.

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I guess the Pacers could just lose PG for nothing next offseason. I'm not saying this is on the works. But the Suns don't have to help anyone, but if the Suns are taking on a bad contract, then it's going to cost the Lakers something

[NTB]

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[Kerrsed]

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This is why LA makes a trade instead of just waiting.

If Cleveland offers the rumored Love deal, does George spurn a title contending Cavs team with Lebron and Irving to opt out and sign on to play for the Lakers? Pretty doubtful!

[thamadkant]

if a trade happened between the Lakers, Pacers and Suns, it would look something like this...

Incoming:
Lakers:
Paul George

Pacers :
Brandon Knight
TJ Warren

Suns:
Loul Deng
Lakers 2nd overall pick

The Suns are NOT taking on a contract without getting some value out of it. The Suns would now have the 2nd and 4th overall pick..


I'm not saying this is being discussed between the teams. I'm just wanted to make clarify the parameters a deal if it did happen.

Pacers will need to get Bender or Chriss for them to accept this... or pick 4.

[Saberestar]

I know Ainge and Mc'D have spoken......they are getting their guy and we are getting out guy. Ball is LA bound and we all know it!

Ainge probably wants Tatum. Makes so much sense.

What if they like the same guy? McD would be an idiot to call up Ainge and tell him who he wanted.

I think that Ainge and McDonough have a good relationship and if it's possible they will help each other a little bit...just a little bit.

Shavlik Randolph for Reggie Bullock to the Suns in a three team trade.
Brandan Wright to the Suns for two seconds.
Isaiah Thomas to the Celtics for a lat first round pick.

All of those trades show that they talk a lot and they want to facilitate things for each other IMO.

Last season, they got Jaylen Brown at #3 and we got our favourite prospect in that range at #4, Bender.
I am not saying that Ainge didn't take Bender because we wanted him, but probably he didn't give false info to McDonough and we knew exactly who they wanted to pick.

I prefer to have the Celtics and Ainge at #3 than the Sixers.

[ray ray]

if a trade happened between the Lakers, Pacers and Suns, it would look something like this...

Incoming:
Lakers:
Paul George

Pacers :
Brandon Knight
TJ Warren

Suns:
Loul Deng
Lakers 2nd overall pick

The Suns are NOT taking on a contract without getting some value out of it. The Suns would now have the 2nd and 4th overall pick..


I'm not saying this is being discussed between the teams. I'm just wanted to make clarify the parameters a deal if it did happen.

Pacers will need to get Bender or Chriss for them to accept this... or pick 4.

Ir get nothing and lose PG next offseason.. for once, the Suns are the ones with leverage..

[BobbieL]

if a trade happened between the Lakers, Pacers and Suns, it would look something like this...

Incoming:
Lakers:
Paul George

Pacers :
Brandon Knight
TJ Warren

Suns:
Loul Deng
Lakers 2nd overall pick

The Suns are NOT taking on a contract without getting some value out of it. The Suns would now have the 2nd and 4th overall pick..


I'm not saying this is being discussed between the teams. I'm just wanted to make clarify the parameters a deal if it did happen.

And I would do this deal pretty quickly. I think that is an excellent deal for the Suns. Would be able to get Ball and Isaac/Johnson/Tatum

[BobbieL]

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This is why LA makes a trade instead of just waiting.

If Cleveland offers the rumored Love deal, does George spurn a title contending Cavs team with Lebron and Irving to opt out and sign on to play for the Lakers? Pretty doubtful!

Cavs really have james for one more year guaranteed

If you are the Pacers - Kevin Love probably is somebody you could trade George for

The Cavs with James, Kyrie, George, Tristan, JR Smith, Shumpert, etc -would push the WArriors more so than with Love.

Cavs get one more title with James - who cares about the future really

[bwgood77]

The Lakers aren't giving up any major asset (Ingram, DLo, 2nd Pick) for someone that has said that's where he wants to be when he's an FA. Our only inclusion in a PG trade is going to be eating a bad contract (i.e. Deng, Mozgov), giving up more valuable player(s) with similar price points (i.e. Bledsoe, Knight, Dudley, Chandler), and probably getting a protected draft pick in return (potentially 18 or 28 this year too).

From Woj:

In the past 24 hours, Pritchard has become more aggressive in pursuing trades for George, league sources told The Vertical. Pritchard has yet to show an inclination to engage the Lakers, but has discussed deals with several teams – including Cleveland – in which the expectation of teams would be that George is a “one-year rental.”

For more..

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-paul-george-tells-pacers-plans-leave-franchise-prefers-joining-lakers-191520531.html

I don't know if other teams will try him for a 1 year rental. Boston has so many assets they could try. Ultimately LA really doesn't have much to lose if they were to offer a 2020 first (they'd probably want to protect it but they may be a playoff team with George), Clarkson and Randle or something. It's not like they wouldn't have any incentive to get good as quickly as they can since they don't have a pick next year. If not Randle maybe Larry Nance Jr?

[BobbieL]

I love TJ. But Ball/Jackson would an insane haul. I'm torn.

Im not a Ball fanBoy, but id do it.

I just dont see how Indiana trades the best player in the trade and only ends up with Warren and Knights bad contract. Only way is if they dont want to re-sign Teague (who will cost more than Knight to keep), and think Knight can actually have a resurgence as a Pacer.

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I guess the Pacers could just lose PG for nothing next offseason. I'm not saying this is on the works. But the Suns don't have to help anyone, but if the Suns are taking on a bad contract, then it's going to cost the Lakers something

Pacers don't have much leverage. I would possibly add Derrick Jones Jr, the 32nd pick or the lesser of the Miami and Phoenix picks next year to make it a bit more palatable for the Pacers if need be.

[WeekapaugGroove]

if a trade happened between the Lakers, Pacers and Suns, it would look something like this...

Incoming:
Lakers:
Paul George

Pacers :
Brandon Knight
TJ Warren

Suns:
Loul Deng
Lakers 2nd overall pick

The Suns are NOT taking on a contract without getting some value out of it. The Suns would now have the 2nd and 4th overall pick..


I'm not saying this is being discussed between the teams. I'm just wanted to make clarify the parameters a deal if it did happen.

And I would do this deal pretty quickly. I think that is an excellent deal for the Suns. Would be able to get Ball and Isaac/Johnson/Tatum

**** I'd do that deal even if it was Bledsoe heading out instead of knight. The 2 pick for bledsoe and eating dengs deal... yeah sign me up.

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[bwgood77]

Don't go to the Pacers board and ask them if they think their FO would take Brandon Knight and Warren for Paul George.

[BobbieL]

The Lakers aren't giving up any major asset (Ingram, DLo, 2nd Pick) for someone that has said that's where he wants to be when he's an FA. Our only inclusion in a PG trade is going to be eating a bad contract (i.e. Deng, Mozgov), giving up more valuable player(s) with similar price points (i.e. Bledsoe, Knight, Dudley, Chandler), and probably getting a protected draft pick in return (potentially 18 or 28 this year too).

From Woj:

In the past 24 hours, Pritchard has become more aggressive in pursuing trades for George, league sources told The Vertical. Pritchard has yet to show an inclination to engage the Lakers, but has discussed deals with several teams – including Cleveland – in which the expectation of teams would be that George is a “one-year rental.”

For more..

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-paul-george-tells-pacers-plans-leave-franchise-prefers-joining-lakers-191520531.html

I don't know if other teams will try him for a 1 year rental. Boston has so many assets they could try. Ultimately LA really doesn't have much to lose if they were to offer a 2020 first (they'd probably want to protect it but they may be a playoff team with George), Clarkson and Randle or something. It's not like they wouldn't have any incentive to get good as quickly as they can since they don't have a pick next year. If not Randle maybe Larry Nance Jr?

Suns need to get involved with this deal somehow -- use their cap space somehow to make this happen. TAking on a bad contract to get that second pick. Move Bledsoe and you have a pretty strong core group.

[Kerrsed]

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This is why LA makes a trade instead of just waiting.

If Cleveland offers the rumored Love deal, does George spurn a title contending Cavs team with Lebron and Irving to opt out and sign on to play for the Lakers? Pretty doubtful!

Cavs really have james for one more year guaranteed

If you are the Pacers - Kevin Love probably is somebody you could trade George for

The Cavs with James, Kyrie, George, Tristan, JR Smith, Shumpert, etc -would push the WArriors more so than with Love.

Cavs get one more title with James - who cares about the future really

Exactly. Would George leave a title contending team like that? Cavs also are looking to push the envelope as much as they can to try to keep Lebron, and doing something like this just might do it.

And even if the Pacers dont see a future in Love, he still has value and is locked up for the next 3 years, allowing them to flip him in time and get probably more value than they can get for George in their current situation.

[BobbieL]

Don't go to the Pacers board and ask them if they think their FO would take Brandon Knight and Warren for Paul George.

Add in the lesser of the Miami or Phoenix pick in 2018. Add in Jones Jr. I am not saying these are Paul George but when you have zero leverage its either a guy like Love - or you get young players, picks. Warren, Knights, Jones and the lesser of 2018 picks. Or even the 32nd pick in this years draft.

[BobbieL]

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This is why LA makes a trade instead of just waiting.

If Cleveland offers the rumored Love deal, does George spurn a title contending Cavs team with Lebron and Irving to opt out and sign on to play for the Lakers? Pretty doubtful!

Cavs really have james for one more year guaranteed

If you are the Pacers - Kevin Love probably is somebody you could trade George for

The Cavs with James, Kyrie, George, Tristan, JR Smith, Shumpert, etc -would push the WArriors more so than with Love.

Cavs get one more title with James - who cares about the future really

Exactly. Would George leave a title contending team like that? Cavs also are looking to push the envelope as much as they can to try to keep Lebron, and doing something like this just might do it.

And even if the Pacers dont see a future in Love, he still has value and is locked up for the next 3 years, allowing them to flip him in time and get probably more value than they can get for George in their current situation.

If I am the Pacers - I have gotten pretty good value for a guy that is leaving

If I am the Cavs - because of the athleticism George brings - its a better matchup for the Warriors.

I would wonder if the Cavs would still need Brandon Knight for Shumpert though - bench scoring still is not good.

IF you tell me the Cavs trade Love for George, sign PJ Tucker for the taxpaying MLE (if he takes it) and trades Knight for Shumpert - that's a better team for one last hurrah push.

[bwgood77]

The Lakers aren't giving up any major asset (Ingram, DLo, 2nd Pick) for someone that has said that's where he wants to be when he's an FA. Our only inclusion in a PG trade is going to be eating a bad contract (i.e. Deng, Mozgov), giving up more valuable player(s) with similar price points (i.e. Bledsoe, Knight, Dudley, Chandler), and probably getting a protected draft pick in return (potentially 18 or 28 this year too).

From Woj:

In the past 24 hours, Pritchard has become more aggressive in pursuing trades for George, league sources told The Vertical. Pritchard has yet to show an inclination to engage the Lakers, but has discussed deals with several teams – including Cleveland – in which the expectation of teams would be that George is a “one-year rental.”

For more..

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-paul-george-tells-pacers-plans-leave-franchise-prefers-joining-lakers-191520531.html

I don't know if other teams will try him for a 1 year rental. Boston has so many assets they could try. Ultimately LA really doesn't have much to lose if they were to offer a 2020 first (they'd probably want to protect it but they may be a playoff team with George), Clarkson and Randle or something. It's not like they wouldn't have any incentive to get good as quickly as they can since they don't have a pick next year. If not Randle maybe Larry Nance Jr?

Suns need to get involved with this deal somehow -- use their cap space somehow to make this happen. TAking on a bad contract to get that second pick. Move Bledsoe and you have a pretty strong core group.

#1, there is no deal. They have yet to engage the Lakers. The three way deal has been a discussion with another team that would think about taking him on a 1 year rental. Probably Boston. They would need to unload salary and have a ton of picks so they would probably try to give us their own first next year or something. I doubt they'd give us the Lakers/Sac or Brooklyn pick next year. They also have a Memphis top 8 protected 2019 pick and a LAC lotto protected 2019 pick.

If they do a deal with the Lakers it would probably be well after the draft after they have fielded a bunch of other offers. Unless someone offers them a decent pick in this year's draft and they want to pull the trigger thinking they won't get anything better.

[TeamTragic]

Making moves help when you have the number 1 pick!

Just in case you forgot without that Lakers 2018 the Sixers wouldn't have received Fultz. On that basis alone I would fire McD.

[Kerrsed]

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Cavs/Suns offer??????????

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wouldn't do this but if the suns wanted to win next yr something like love to phx, PG to Cleveland, and either bender or chriss and knight to indi could make some sense.

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