All things Draft Pick. #3

[jfs1000d]

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Imagine Cavs snatched him and he stayed instead of going LA

At that point, you have to trade for him, otherwise passing on developing Fultz sure looks pretty stupid, considering there'd be absolutely ZERO chance you'd be beating Cleveland or Golden State for the foreseeable future.

If we sign a max FA, also acquiring George would almost surely mean sending out one or two more guys from our current core than would otherwise be necessary, for reasons of salary match. The main way it's only one is if we preserve Olynyk's rights rather than renouncing him, and then he signs somewhere for a lot of money in a S&T. The only other way that comes to mind is an absurdly complex scenarion in whch we S&T for the max FA, while sending multiple of our current bigs out on S&Ts as well.

So getting him for super, super cheap may be impractical anyway on our end.

It would be Bradley and Crowder. Those are two most attractive and tradeabke assets on the team.


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[OFWGKTA]

If he goes to Cleveland, that has to mean the end of Love there right? Wonder if we'd try to swoop in

Sign Hayward and deal for Love by routing PG to Cleveland.

Thomas/Bradley/Hayward/Love/Horford

I'd roll out with that team next year.

No, George>Love

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If he goes to Cleveland, that has to mean the end of Love there right? Wonder if we'd try to swoop in

Sign Hayward and deal for Love by routing PG to Cleveland.

Thomas/Bradley/Hayward/Love/Horford

I'd roll out with that team next year.

A little harder yet to trade for on salary grounds, all other considerations aside.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If it's a rental market for George, we're talking Indiana getting guys like JR Smith, Shump.

[GregB]

If he goes to Cleveland, that has to mean the end of Love there right? Wonder if we'd try to swoop in

Sign Hayward and deal for Love by routing PG to Cleveland.

Thomas/Bradley/Hayward/Love/Horford

I'd roll out with that team next year.

I would be down with Love and then signing Hayward.

[3D Chess]

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This tweet to me is quite interesting.

It tells me that the news being relayed from the media didn't come from the Celtics, but it also means we laid an offer on the table for them to accept, not the other way around. Ainge was proactive in trading this pick, again shown by the deal being all but done still 5 days from the draft. The moment Danny has secured an extra asset, we hear the Paul George report that slashes his trade value, and makes him unappealing to anybody that can't contend in 2017-18, as it seems he would just jump to the Lakers. There are very few teams that can claim to contend in 2017-18, but the Celtics + PG (and a max FA) is one of them. The Pacers 99.9% have to trade him after this report, but his market will be CLE, BOS, HOU and SA? BOS by far has the most disposable but attractive assets of that crowd. I will add that it behooves PG to lower his trade value so the team he would be traded to gives up as little as possible. Guys have learned from the Melo deal. Is PG just such a good guy that he's giving the Pacers a 12 months heads up that he's leaving? That's got a bit of a smell about it, no?

I can't help but think Danny was so giddy when he got the 1st pick because he knew he could pull off this plan with the extra asset. I don't think his desire to trade #1 pick is a recent development, I've got to think it was his plan all along.

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At that point, you have to trade for him, otherwise passing on developing Fultz sure looks pretty stupid, considering there'd be absolutely ZERO chance you'd be beating Cleveland or Golden State for the foreseeable future.

If we sign a max FA, also acquiring George would almost surely mean sending out one or two more guys from our current core than would otherwise be necessary, for reasons of salary match. The main way it's only one is if we preserve Olynyk's rights rather than renouncing him, and then he signs somewhere for a lot of money in a S&T. The only other way that comes to mind is an absurdly complex scenarion in whch we S&T for the max FA, while sending multiple of our current bigs out on S&Ts as well.

So getting him for super, super cheap may be impractical anyway on our end.

It would be Bradley and Crowder. Those are two most attractive and tradeabke assets on the team.


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Good deal for Indy if Bradley agrees to re-sign at a salary they like.

Whether it's a good deal for us of course has a huge amount to do with whether or not we think George is staying. If we've already signed Hayward at that point, perhaps he could could commit verbally in a reassuring way. At that point I'd even be fine with throwing in Rozier or whatever.

[DarkAzcura]

If he goes to Cleveland, that has to mean the end of Love there right? Wonder if we'd try to swoop in

Sign Hayward and deal for Love by routing PG to Cleveland.

Thomas/Bradley/Hayward/Love/Horford

I'd roll out with that team next year.

I would be down with Love and then signing Hayward.

Love and Horford wouldn't be able to play with each other against Cleveland (with George) and GSW.

We'd be playing against: Kyrie, Smith, George, Lebron, Thompson

and for GSW: Curry, Thompson, Iggy, Durant, Green

I'm afraid Love and Horford would get ripped to shreds.

[3D Chess]

Indiana are not after the likes of JR Smith, Shumpert, Bradley etc. if they are trading PG. They have no path to contention while those guys are still around. What they want is premium upside future first round picks. We have lots.

[Celts17Pride]

Did the Celtics trade Jackson, Mickey, Nader, Zeller, Thornton and 12 2nd round picks for Anthony Davis yet?

[165bows]

Gross trade idea:

#3 to Detroit
Drummond to Phoenix, #12 to Indiana
2021 unprotected Miami pick, Paul George to Boston
Crowder, Rozier, Zeller to Indiana (thanks Bobby!)

Boston sign and trades for Hayward, lands George, and accumulates another future unprotected pick!

[Afam]

Paul George would be rental, so the 3rd Pick, Avery Bradley should be enough. Maybe a low first round pick. That should be all the Celtics should offer. Paul George is an expiring contract.

[DarkAzcura]

So if we trade for George, do we have the cap space to sign Hayward outright? Is that possible? I'm forgetting all the players we have to renounce to make room for max cap space.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

PG13>Gordon Hayward

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Paul George would be rental, so the 3rd Pick, Avery Bradley should be enough. Maybe a low first round pick. That should be all the Celtics should offer. Paul George is an expiring contract.

The 3rd pick is not an option. No lottery pick is an option. Indiana will get peanuts regardless. You don't gift them a get out of jail free card

[albas89]

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This tweet to me is quite interesting.

It tells me that the news being relayed from the media didn't come from the Celtics, but it also means we laid an offer on the table for them to accept, not the other way around. Ainge was proactive in trading this pick, again shown by the deal being all but done still 5 days from the draft. The moment Danny has secured an extra asset, we hear the Paul George report that slashes his trade value, and makes him unappealing to anybody that can't contend in 2017-18, as it seems he would just jump to the Lakers. There are very few teams that can claim to content in 2017-18, but the Celtics + PG is one of them. The Pacers 99.9% have to trade him after this report, but his market will be CLE, BOS, HOU and SA? BOS by far has the most disposable but attractive assets of that crowd.

I can't help but think Danny was so giddy when he got the 1st pick because he knew he could pull off this plan with the extra asset. I don't think his desire to trade #1 pick is a recent development, I've got to think it was his plan all along.

I feel that Cleveland can offer a better package, as they will be willing to give the best player by far out of the pack (Love).

On the other hand, it might be wise for Indiana to just tank, thus receiving future picks and cheap, long-term contracts (i.e. Crowder) should be more attractive. If that's the case, let's not forget Atlanta was willing to give 4 future first-round picks for George, so that might put them in the mix, too.

[robdog_5]

2018 Boston first, 2017 Minny 2nd, Crowder, Rozier and Zeller.

[Celts17Pride]

Paul George would be rental, so the 3rd Pick, Avery Bradley should be enough. Maybe a low first round pick. That should be all the Celtics should offer. Paul George is an expiring contract.

3rd pick and Bradley for 1 year of Paul George?

No thank you!

[DarkAzcura]

Paul George would be rental, so the 3rd Pick, Avery Bradley should be enough. Maybe a low first round pick. That should be all the Celtics should offer. Paul George is an expiring contract.

The 3rd pick is not an option. No lottery pick is an option. Indiana will get peanuts regardless. You don't gift them a get out of jail free card

It's still amazing that Minny was able to pull a #1 pick from Cleveland for an expiring Love who was surely going to leave.

The difference between these situations is that George has officially announced he is leaving. What a way to kill your trade value..

[canman1971]

Paul George would be rental, so the 3rd Pick, Avery Bradley should be enough. Maybe a low first round pick. That should be all the Celtics should offer. Paul George is an expiring contract.

No way you offer the 3rd pick without a extension guarantee. That's just plain dumb.