Draft Discussion Part 3

Post #1841 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:15 am

NBA Fiend wrote:Sorry I am posting under the draft discussion when it should be under the trade thread.

Well everyone else was too. I may move them since it clutters the draft talk for people who want to talk draft and don't want to see people saying Indy would take Brandon Knight for Paul George while they are trying to read about the draft.

JMac1 · Post #1842 » by **JMac1** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:15 am

If Mc'D is ok wit Isaac, I am

Zelaznyrules · Post #1843 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:20 am

sunsbum wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Mjeezy2006 wrote:I am not a fan of Isaac

1. Not explosive by any means
2. Inconstant shooter
3. Sub par strength and needs to gain weight
4. Average defensively

I will be pissed if this tank job of a season lands him at #4

He's pretty explosive for his size, length.. definitely more explosive than say, Tatum. He was very inconsistent, but that goes for most of these guys. He's definitely not an avg defender though. Even his DX video says he can guard 1-4. He's a little bit like WCS with a shot, more explosiveness and way more upside.

He has zero offensive moves. Doesn't it worry you that his baskets were all assisted but like 10% or something like that? That's terrible. Also asthma is a concern for me as well.

Not a bit, why should it? Without knowing more we have no idea whether that was a limitation of Isaac or the result of the offense he played in. And I don't see a dire need for another ISO player, getting someone who can fill a role with high defensive potential is appealing to me. Not that I know he fits that bill, but generally speaking that kind of player has a lot of value to us IMO.

YouTube · Post #1844 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:21 am

The thing with Boston is that from what im understanding, the trade will be going through tomorrow, and the reason that the Celtics decided to do it pre-draft is because they are looking at trading that pick (along with other assets) for either Butler or Hayward and wanted to give both of those teams time to figure out if they want to when the draft starts and seeing how the beginning of the draft shakes out.

So they really might not even be keeping the pick and whatever team they end up trading it to could really shake things up for us.

JMac1 · Post #1845 » by **JMac1** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:25 am

No way we pass on Jackson.....no way. If people think we are picking Isaac, that's because we don't want anyone trying to trade up to 3. Pass on Jackson for Isaac.....that would be insane. It's not even close. Just because he is taller....

thamadkant · Post #1846 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:26 am

So Suns trade Pick 4 for Love?.... not sure they'll do that since Suns need defense.

ray ray · Post #1847 » by **ray ray** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:27 am

All I'm saying is this... the Suns don't have to help anyone but if they do.. they're going to be the beneficiaries from ANY trade

DirtyDez · Post #1848 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:27 am

Jesus Bill Simmons needs a break from Twitter.

Villalobos · Post #1849 » by **Villalobos** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:28 am

Read on Twitter

brb barfing

JMac1 · Post #1850 » by **JMac1** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:30 am

Villalobos wrote:

Read on Twitter

brb barfing

I saw that on he Celts board. Is he on effing drugs?!? Lmao

thamadkant · Post #1851 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:31 am

Villalobos wrote:

Read on Twitter

brb barfing

**** off Bill Simmons

thamadkant · Post #1852 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:32 am

Suns walk away from Cavs and Pacers... they have nothing to trade that Suns would benefit from.

MrMiyagi · Post #1853 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:33 am

DirtyDez wrote:Jesus Bill Simmons needs a break from Twitter.

I used to like Simmons, but more and more you can see he's a box score fan. *Looks at stats* "Chriss wasn't that good, Bender is a bust, they'd be better off with Love!"

Villalobos · Post #1854 » by **Villalobos** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:35 am

I'm pretty happy Simmons has to watch Fultz ball out on another team for a decade plus

AtheJ415 · Post #1855 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:37 am

There just isn't a lot of sense for Phoenix to be the facilitating team for Cleveland unless we are given many late picks or simply given Love. They don't have the young guys or picks we would covet, and the only guy on Indy's roster Phoenix would want is Turner, who I can't see them trading.

Us facilitating for LA makes a lot more sense given LA's young players. We will see.

Post #1856 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:38 am

JMac1 wrote:No way we pass on Jackson.....no way. If people think we are picking Isaac, that's because we don't want anyone trying to trade up to 3. Pass on Jackson for Isaac.....that would be insane. It's not even close. Just because he is taller....

I wouldn't think so, either, BUT..we worked out Isaac twice, and Jackson not at all.

Isaac shut down his workouts after our 2nd one and said he wasn't working out for anyone below 4.

We only watched Jackson in Sacramento.

We didn't bring him in to do all our tests, shuttle run, etc, which seems like for McD is a HUGE part of it...they make it so hard to see who will give up.

Now you can make assumptions like McD would say "Oh, I watched him in college...he wouldn't dog a workout and our tests...he'd be great" but I just don't really see it.

I kind of had this gut feeling BEFORE the Woj stuff was posted here. None of the above makes sense. Unless Jackson just didn't want to come to Phx.

Many things just don't add up in my mind regarding him. Now Fultz and Ball didn't work out for any but the top teams. But Jackson worked out for Sacramento. And perhaps we loved him enough after just that not to bring him in again, let him meet the teammates, and all that stuff, but there are a lot of ifs and questions.

Post #1857 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:40 am

AtheJ415 wrote:There just isn't a lot of sense for Phoenix to be the facilitating team for Cleveland unless we are given many late picks or simply given Love. They don't have the young guys or picks we would covet, and the only guy on Indy's roster Phoenix would want is Turner, who I can't see them trading.

Us facilitating for LA makes a lot more sense given LA's young players. We will see.

Yeah, it's gotta be bogus. I don't even know what the people said we would be sending out to net us Love, but I imagine they could get a first round pick or two for him from someone to take him if they needed to move him. Plus, on our team he doesn't make sense anyway.

AtheJ415 · Post #1858 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:45 am

bwgood77 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:There just isn't a lot of sense for Phoenix to be the facilitating team for Cleveland unless we are given many late picks or simply given Love. They don't have the young guys or picks we would covet, and the only guy on Indy's roster Phoenix would want is Turner, who I can't see them trading.

Us facilitating for LA makes a lot more sense given LA's young players. We will see.

Yeah, it's gotta be bogus. I don't even know what the people said we would be sending out to net us Love, but I imagine they could get a first round pick or two for him from someone to take him if they needed to move him. Plus, on our team he doesn't make sense anyway.

Salarywise too, Indy could simply trade for Love straight up, and there are teams out there (Houston, for instance) who would probably be willing to trade more for Love than us.

My hope is, at the end of this, that Cle and Bos scare LA into trading something for George, because they should have the most incentive at the end of the day. Bird Rights matter when you can attract FA's and they will be able to do that with George. We facilitate that deal and maybe add a sweetener of some kind to get something we'd actually want from LA.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1859 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:47 am

It's not a stretch to see the suns in love with isaac. Mcd is an analytics type guy and isaac is an advanced stats darling especially defensively (a huge need for this team). And Watson is a big team chemistry guy and by all accounts isaac is a great dude and teammate. I could see those two really falling for isaac after a couple meetings. Plus they need shooting and I've heard a couple draft experts predict isaac to be the best shooter of the Jackson tatum isaac trio.

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Post #1860 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:51 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:There just isn't a lot of sense for Phoenix to be the facilitating team for Cleveland unless we are given many late picks or simply given Love. They don't have the young guys or picks we would covet, and the only guy on Indy's roster Phoenix would want is Turner, who I can't see them trading.

Us facilitating for LA makes a lot more sense given LA's young players. We will see.

Yeah, it's gotta be bogus. I don't even know what the people said we would be sending out to net us Love, but I imagine they could get a first round pick or two for him from someone to take him if they needed to move him. Plus, on our team he doesn't make sense anyway.

Salarywise too, Indy could simply trade for Love straight up, and there are teams out there (Houston, for instance) who would probably be willing to trade more for Love than us.

My hope is, at the end of this, that Cle and Bos scare LA into trading something for George, because they should have the most incentive at the end of the day. Bird Rights matter when you can attract FA's and they will be able to do that with George. We facilitate that deal and maybe add a sweetener of some kind to get something we'd actually want from LA.

I would just steer clear. We don't need any more bad contracts. If we draft a SF, and they won't trade a young guy, what could we possibly get? A 2020 first rounder? Not worth it. We don't need Nance or Randle. If they gave us D Lo maybe, but at the cost of taking on Deng or Mozgov?

I mean that would have to be it. D Lo and one of those contracts, and then we could trade Bledsoe eventually as well. But I don't know if they do it. With Ball they might if they like Clarkson at SG, but I think Ball/Russell backcourt would be exciting. D Lo is vastly underrated and had better #s than Booker this year (similar shooting, better at most everthing else). I think you know his value but many don't.

Who would you rather have, Jackson or Tatum?