Draft Discussion Part 3

Post #1901 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:25 am

Blonde wrote:For Isaac fans, what do you see as his ultimate upside? Do you project him to be a player capable of making several allstar appearances, or more of the ultimate role player type?

ultimate role player/multiple all-defense teams/potentially DPOY if Draymond gets banished from the league

don't listen to me I don't know anything

sunsbum · Post #1902 » by **sunsbum** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:25 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:It's not a stretch to see the suns in love with isaac. Mcd is an analytics type guy and isaac is an advanced stats darling especially defensively (a huge need for this team). And Watson is a big team chemistry guy and by all accounts isaac is a great dude and teammate. I could see those two really falling for isaac after a couple meetings. Plus they need shooting and I've heard a couple draft experts predict isaac to be the best shooter of the Jackson tatum isaac trio.

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I don't trust his analytics then because he had plenty on Knightmare.

sunsbum · Post #1903 » by **sunsbum** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:30 am

rsavaj wrote:
Blonde wrote:For Isaac fans, what do you see as his ultimate upside? Do you project him to be a player capable of making several allstar appearances, or more of the ultimate role player type?

ultimate role player/multiple all-defense teams/potentially DPOY if Draymond gets banished from the league

don't listen to me I don't know anything

Bender is the ultimate role player, he can do twice as many things Isaac can. Super redundant.

kennydorglas · Post #1904 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:35 am

sunsbum wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:It's not a stretch to see the suns in love with isaac. Mcd is an analytics type guy and isaac is an advanced stats darling especially defensively (a huge need for this team). And Watson is a big team chemistry guy and by all accounts isaac is a great dude and teammate. I could see those two really falling for isaac after a couple meetings. Plus they need shooting and I've heard a couple draft experts predict isaac to be the best shooter of the Jackson tatum isaac trio.

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I don't trust his analytics then because he had plenty on Knightmare.

yeah, McD isnt an analytics guy at all

has a great eye for talent tho (except for the knight move obviously :evil:

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1905 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:36 am

Isaac depends on his ability to create shots, if he can't he probably tops out at a Demarre Carroll / Jae Crowder type level for defense with open looks on offense.

darealjuice · Post #1906 » by **darealjuice** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:38 am

I'll be a little pissed if we pass on JJ for Isaac, but in the end I trust McDonough to make the right pick in the draft, whoever that ends up being. The way his coach raved about how committed he is to doing whatever helps his team win makes me think he might have more in his tank than he got to show at FSU. I think at worst he's going to be a versatile 3-and-D guy, which is still really valuable.

RaisingArizona · Post #1907 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:45 am

kennydorglas wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Omg Isaac!

IT'S HAPPENNING

kennydorglas · Post #1908 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:47 am

darealjuice wrote:I'll be a little pissed if we pass on JJ for Isaac, but in the end I trust McDonough to make the right pick in the draft, whoever that ends up being. The way his coach raved about how committed he is to doing whatever helps his team win makes me think he might have more in his tank than he got to show at FSU. I think at worst he's going to be a versatile 3-and-D guy, which is still really valuable.

i guess it'll be a very lively war room if both are available at #4 (and the Isaac's love is real)

RaisingArizona · Post #1909 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:53 am

1UPZ wrote:So Suns trade Pick 4 for Love?.... not sure they'll do that since Suns need defense.

I would HATE that.

RaisingArizona · Post #1910 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:54 am

Villalobos wrote:

Read on Twitter

brb barfing

Worst deal of all time. Nice job, Simmons.

JMac1 · Post #1911 » by **JMac1** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:58 am

Per Celts board: Lakers are assumed to get in on PG trade talks if something appears to be going down.

I think They'll give up Russell, not Ball.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1912 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:00 am

Ramona Shelborne says Jackson has a promise from Pho or Sac.

His agent is doing some good PR, he's going to be selected by every team in the top 5.

RaisingArizona · Post #1913 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:03 am

Blonde wrote:For Isaac fans, what do you see as his ultimate upside? Do you project him to be a player capable of making several allstar appearances, or more of the ultimate role player type?

Multiple all stars. Classic sidekick on a contender.

dremill24 · Post #1914 » by **dremill24** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:05 am

sunsbum wrote:
rsavaj wrote:
Blonde wrote:For Isaac fans, what do you see as his ultimate upside? Do you project him to be a player capable of making several allstar appearances, or more of the ultimate role player type?

ultimate role player/multiple all-defense teams/potentially DPOY if Draymond gets banished from the league

don't listen to me I don't know anything

Bender is the ultimate role player, he can do twice as many things Isaac can. Super redundant.

What's the issue with having multiple ultimate role players?

Post #1915 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:06 am

sunsbum wrote:
rsavaj wrote:
Blonde wrote:For Isaac fans, what do you see as his ultimate upside? Do you project him to be a player capable of making several allstar appearances, or more of the ultimate role player type?

ultimate role player/multiple all-defense teams/potentially DPOY if Draymond gets banished from the league

don't listen to me I don't know anything

Bender is the ultimate role player, he can do twice as many things Isaac can. Super redundant.

I don't disagree with you regarding their redundancies. Seem like almost identical players.

RaisingArizona · Post #1916 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:09 am

How is Isaac redundant when he's a defensive force and Bender is not?

Suns can go Isaac/Chriss/Bender front line which provides for a lot of length. All guys who can knock down shots.

JMac1 · Post #1917 » by **JMac1** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:10 am

If I knew Isaac was a SF first......then 4-5, I might take him over JJ.....but I just don't think so, however, he could have proved he was to our FO.

As been mentioned. An effective front court of

Isaac
Bender
Chriss

Would be very nice.

Post #1918 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:10 am

ginobiliflops wrote:How is Isaac redundant when he's a defensive force and Bender is not?

Suns can go Isaac/Chriss/Bender front line which provides for a lot of length. All guys who can knock down shots.

I think that's where my biggest worry is. On paper they should all be able to knock down shots, but it hasn't really translated yet for Bender/Chriss(still below avg 3 pt shooters), and we're gonna need 2 out of the Bender/Chriss/Isaac trio to turn into at least league-average marksmen from the arc if we have any hope of playing a Isaac/Chriss/Bender frontline IMO

AtheJ415 · Post #1919 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:14 am

BobbieL wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
ray ray wrote:All I'm saying is this... the Suns don't have to help anyone but if they do.. they're going to be the beneficiaries from ANY trade

solid managerial goal

If its Love for George - not sure another team is needed. Now, if the Pacers want to go younger and kind of rebuild, the Suns can help

To me, if I am the Cavs, I have no problem going for it one more year. Kyrie, George, LeBron, Tristan - that's pretty damn solid. Bogut probably re-ups for cheap. PJ Tucker maybe.

Why would the Suns help though? Love doesn't move the needle for us. He's good but that lacks all fit with our actual core, and to give Indy young pieces when what we should be looking for is young pieces and picks is not a good fit. Unless they want to contend now for some silly reason and value Bledsoe enough to give us Turner, there is no other young player on either team that we would want. Even Osman is not ideal.

Post #1920 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:15 am

ginobiliflops wrote:How is Isaac redundant when he's a defensive force and Bender is not?

Suns can go Isaac/Chriss/Bender front line which provides for a lot of length. All guys who can knock down shots.

If they provide virtually the same things and one is, as you say, a defensive force, then yeah there is redundancy between the two and one should be moved

Who would you rather have, Jackson or Tatum?