All things Draft Pick. #3

[The Corey's]

Anybody starting to realize that we are not gong to get either Butler or George and are gonna end up with Tatum or Jackson who are deeply flawed and don't have NBA ready games?

Tatum has limited burst which will make it hard for him to operate in the half court and ever get by his defender and Jackson can't shoot which will make it hard for him to score in the pick and roll and teams will sag off him limiting the impact of his explosiveness and passing.

This has been such a thoroughly disappointing weekend. This was the draft to stop punting!

Fultz is a bust according most

Which most?

Only people I hear calling him a bust are people here who are more hoping he's a bust at this point because we're no longer getting him.

Very small chance he's a bust but he has a huge upside. His game is perfect for NBA offenses.

I love the reports now that say that he didn't look explosive in his workouts. So Danny has been scouting these guys since they were 15 but now he makes a snap judgement cuz of poor workout??

This whole process was so stupid. Danny clearly got wind of the George stuff and rolled the dice and it's not looking good right now.

My guess is he actually likes Fultz but got greedy

Not me or course. I have no idea how he's gonna pan out.

All we heard about was what a nice kid he is and now some are looking to test him down because danny knows best.

[reload141]

Anybody starting to realize that we are not gong to get either Butler or George and are gonna end up with Tatum or Jackson who are deeply flawed and don't have NBA ready games?

Tatum has limited burst which will make it hard for him to operate in the half court and ever get by his defender and Jackson can't shoot which will make it hard for him to score in the pick and roll and teams will sag off him limiting the impact of his explosiveness and passing.

This has been such a thoroughly disappointing weekend. This was the draft to stop punting!

Fultz is a bust according most

Which most?

Only people I hear calling him a bust are people here who are more hoping he's a bust at this point because we're no longer getting him.

Very small chance he's a bust but he has a huge upside. His game is perfect for NBA offenses.

I love the reports now that say that he didn't look explosive in his workouts. So Danny has been scouting these guys since they were 15 but now he makes a snap judgement cuz of poor workout??

This whole process was so stupid. Danny clearly got wind of the George stuff and rolled the dice and it's not looking good right now.

My guess is he actually likes Fultz but got greedy

Still reckon it's his knee. That can be the only logical answer as like you've pointed out, he's perfect in every way and Ainge wouldn't make a snap judgement just because of "explosiveness"

[ConstableGeneva]

This is Brian Windhorst back in February after the trade deadline:

“The Cavs were on pins and needles yesterday about the Celtics (possibly) getting Paul George or Jimmy Butler. If it’s Isaiah Thomas, Al Horford, and Jimmy Butler, the Cavs might be out there saying, ‘We might have to trade Kevin Love,'”

Cavs will do anything to block a PG-to-Boston scenario. Might be a reason why we're hearing this PG-to-Cleveland noise now.

[winsomme2]

Anybody starting to realize that we are not gong to get either Butler or George and are gonna end up with Tatum or Jackson who are deeply flawed and don't have NBA ready games?

Tatum has limited burst which will make it hard for him to operate in the half court and ever get by his defender and Jackson can't shoot which will make it hard for him to score in the pick and roll and teams will sag off him limiting the impact of his explosiveness and passing.

This has been such a thoroughly disappointing weekend. This was the draft to stop punting!

That wraps it up, the #3 and #4 prospects have no chance to succeed

Not no chance but they're chance of being all stars is def limited by the holes in their game. That is definitely true IMO. They both have huge flaws in their game in terms of becoming big time scorers.

Like I said earlier, the next biggest upside is Dennis Smith. That guy is gonna score.

[ViperGTS]

I don't even know what direction the celtics are trying to go anymore. Are they rebuilding or are they trying to contend. Before, and during 2013, i knew the celtics were in the rebuilding phase. Their stars were getting older and passed their primes and had to be traded. The picks that was acquired in the trade are not even being used to acquire established players. I thought that was the plan in the first place. An accerlerated rebuild.

It is like the team is directionless right now. Trying to decide should rebuild or build a championship team. It is like they are conflicted. It is a little bit concerning.

Wanna know why? Because most of these "great" picks are pretty much worthless. BKN '18, LAL '18/Sac '19 and the Memphis pick on the periphery are the only real assets. Every other pick is pure trash, in the NBA at least. Gotta love a top 15 protected that turns into a 2nd after 2 years. That's a real winner right there.

Therefore, any team is going to want all those good picks and leave Danny holding the rest of the trash ones. So those picks plus say, Jaylen to get a player not named Durant etc is dumb. It's dumb even then. Also, it completely wipes out the Nets trade.

The final reason is because of IT and Horford. As I stated before IT isn't the future. He is a springboard to the future but they are seemingly stuck on him.

[Afam]

Markelle Fultz is going to a very good player. A lot people are bad mouthing him now because the celtics traded the pick, and are no longer going to draft him. Awful

[ConstableGeneva]

What I've been saying all along... can't trade for PG on/before draft night. FA signing has to happen first. They can agree to a trade as soon as tonight but transaction has to be completed later.

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[ConstableGeneva]

More Larsen (beat writer for Utah) on the pursuit of Hayward:

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[Writebloc]

Bulpett always and I mean always says it's coming. Just not now. It's coming being patient.

Dude has never broken a story and isn't anything more than may be a mouthpiece.

I actually hate the guy due to his many useless appearances on sports tonight

You might be thinking of Dan Shaughnessy...I've gotten them mixed up for 30 years.

Naw. Bulpett is the bald one and Dan is the curly red headed ****.

That's Ian Thomson or something like that. Bulpett doesn't have time to do nicey on the stations because he is essentially the mouth piece of the Celtics. Whenever you want to know what is truly going on read Bulpett. You might not like what he is writing, hence the wet blanket nickname, but the dude is the only really connected reporter when it comes to the Celtics. That includes Mannix, Blakely, McMillan, and Woj, none of them have the juice that Bulpett does.

Ian Thomsen


Dan Shaunessy


Steve Bulpett

[ViperGTS]

Cavs gonna destroy their entire future for a one-year shot at toppling the Warriors. Lebron and PG both leave for LA next offseason after they lose. Cleveland left with Kyrie and not much else.

Wanna talk about destroying an entire future?

Heard Ian Thompson say tonight that NO needs to know AD and Danny has the assets to trade for him. Then he said Danny needs to tell them all the time. Herschel Walker.

Then he says what we all know, it was a 5 for 1 trade that.....started the Cowboys dynasty.

What a horrible idea. Pretty sure the Cowboys got the best end of that deal and in this scenario NO would be the Cowboys.

Which team would most want to be? I know where I stand.

This is ridiculous. The NBA is not the NFL. Can we stop this crap?

The lesson is you don't make deals like that. We aren't talking about past mid draft level picks. We are talking about what is currently 2 top 3 picks (one by choice) and what could or couldn't be 2 more top 2 picks plus other current players.

So yeah. Excuse me for saying turning all that over to a team isn't exactly the smartest thing to do. And when Horford is 33-34 and IT is 32 etc how good will that be when you have that singular player and are in the exact same position that the players former team was in. And they have all the stuff you once did.

Crap, I think not. Heck, even Lebron can't/couldn't win on his own.

[The Corey's]

You might be thinking of Dan Shaughnessy...I've gotten them mixed up for 30 years.

Naw. Bulpett is the bald one and Dan is the curly red headed ****.

That's Ian Thomson or something like that. Bulpett doesn't have time to do nicey on the stations because he is essentially the mouth piece of the Celtics. Whenever you want to know what is truly going on read Bulpett. You might not like what he is writing, hence the wet blanket nickname, but the dude is the only really connected reporter when it comes to the Celtics. That includes Mannix, Blakely, McMillan, and Woj, none of them have the juice that Bulpett does.

Oh ****. Apologies.

[MaxwellSmart]

What I've been saying all along... can't trade for PG on/before draft night. FA signing has to happen first. They can agree to a trade as soon as tonight but transaction has to be completed later.

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Yes...and maybe this could be the Indiana deal---might have to throw in one non lottery 1st rounder--and some 2nd rounders.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8wgzre

We could Sign Hayward and then complete this trade....And still have a load of picks to move forward with.

[ConstableGeneva]

What I've been saying all along... can't trade for PG on/before draft night. FA signing has to happen first. They can agree to a trade as soon as tonight but transaction has to be completed later.

Read on Twitter

Yes...and maybe this could be the Indiana deal---might have to throw in one non lottery 1st rounder--and some 2nd rounders.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8wgzre

We could Sign Hayward and then complete this trade....And still have a load of picks to move forward with.

Crowder + Bradley alone would be enough. Jackson and Young are already waived/renounced by then. No idea which 1st(s) would suffice. Keep BKN/LAL-SAC off the table.

[ViperGTS]

What I've been saying all along... can't trade for PG on/before draft night. FA signing has to happen first. They can agree to a trade as soon as tonight but transaction has to be completed later.

Read on Twitter

Yes...and maybe this could be the Indiana deal---might have to throw in one non lottery 1st rounder--and some 2nd rounders.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8wgzre

We could Sign Hayward and then complete this trade....And still have a load of picks to move forward with.

Crowder + Bradley alone would be enough. Jackson and Young are already waived/renounced by then. No idea which 1st(s) would suffice. Keep BKN/LAL-SAC off the table.

IF that's all it would take that would be amazing. However, Bradley is on a last year contract and is that even worth it?

[Writebloc]

Naw. Bulpett is the bald one and Dan is the curly red headed ****.

That's Ian Thomson or something like that. Bulpett doesn't have time to do nicey on the stations because he is essentially the mouth piece of the Celtics. Whenever you want to know what is truly going on read Bulpett. You might not like what he is writing, hence the wet blanket nickname, but the dude is the only really connected reporter when it comes to the Celtics. That includes Mannix, Blakely, McMillan, and Woj, none of them have the juice that Bulpett does.

Oh ****. Apologies.

No worries. Bulpett just gets mad respect in my book because he's literally the only reporter that knows what's going on.

[reload141]

That's Ian Thomson or something like that. Bulpett doesn't have time to do nicey on the stations because he is essentially the mouth piece of the Celtics. Whenever you want to know what is truly going on read Bulpett. You might not like what he is writing, hence the wet blanket nickname, but the dude is the only really connected reporter when it comes to the Celtics. That includes Mannix, Blakely, McMillan, and Woj, none of them have the juice that Bulpett does.

Oh ****. Apologies.

No worries. Bulpett just gets mad respect in my book because he's literally the only reporter that knows what's going on.

Can't he just say we are getting AD & Hayward already? GOD DAMNIT BULPETT!

[ConstableGeneva]

Yes...and maybe this could be the Indiana deal---might have to throw in one non lottery 1st rounder--and some 2nd rounders.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8wgzre

We could Sign Hayward and then complete this trade....And still have a load of picks to move forward with.

Crowder + Bradley alone would be enough. Jackson and Young are already waived/renounced by then. No idea which 1st(s) would suffice. Keep BKN/LAL-SAC off the table.

IF that's all it would take that would be amazing. However, Bradley is on a last year contract and is that even worth it?

Worth it for Indiana, you mean? Up to them to keep or trade him. Some playoff team would want AB at the deadline.

[fallguy]

It feels like ages since we've discussed James Young and his inevitable departure from the roster, and the NBA.

[MaxwellSmart]

Yes...and maybe this could be the Indiana deal---might have to throw in one non lottery 1st rounder--and some 2nd rounders.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8wgzre

We could Sign Hayward and then complete this trade....And still have a load of picks to move forward with.

Crowder + Bradley alone would be enough. Jackson and Young are already waived/renounced by then. No idea which 1st(s) would suffice. Keep BKN/LAL-SAC off the table.

IF that's all it would take that would be amazing. However, Bradley is on a last year contract and is that even worth it?

Hell, you could throw Indy a couple of bones, like all 3 2nd rounders this year...maybe the Clippers or Memphis pick...George has put them in an impossible situation---Boston should have the best assets for them.

[The Corey's]

It feels like ages since we've discussed James Young and his inevitable departure from the roster, and the NBA.

By all means, start a thread on a massive miss this pick was by Ainge. I'm down to throw a fit in that one too.