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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#161 » by realEAST » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:36 pm

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realEAST wrote:I'd go and offer Pacers #16 for PG13. Even if only for a season, we'd feel how it is to have two legit superstars.
And who knows, maybe he stays ;)


I have no idea what his value is but I would imagine almost every team in the league offers something similar in value to the 16th pick even if he might leave in a year. I still think it would have to be multiple picks if the 16 was the starting point. If his value was close to that though the Bulls would have to pull the trigger obviously.


It was partly a joke.

But, I wouldn't mind seeing Pax pull a reDempseyion trade, and give us something to talk and hope about for a season.

I'd offer them Wade, Val and #16 at max. I'd go as far as to throw in Portis if it gets the deal done, as long as he isn't required for the next deal:
We'd still have to add PF, and I'd look towards M. Williams (Hornets) and Melo as cheap options to trade for. (Morris from Pistons too? He'd allow ud to go after Paul, Lowry, Holiday)

We'd still have appx. 15 mil even with Melo, to add PG (Mills?) through FA; #38 and MLE once we break the cap to fill bench roles.

Would a team of Mills-Butler-George-Melo-Lopez be enticing enough for George to stay?

They are solid imo, 2nd team in the East. Can they push Cavs? Probably. Warriors? Not so likely. But, they'd have opportunity to improve through FA once Melo and Lopez (trade) get off books in 2019 and before Butler signs big deal.

I think he'd at least listen to our pitch. Having Jimmy in prime def helps there.

Just for fun :)
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#162 » by Butler4thewin » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:29 pm

CoreyVillains wrote:
realEAST wrote:I'd go and offer Pacers #16 for PG13. Even if only for a season, we'd feel how it is to have two legit superstars.
And who knows, maybe he stays ;)


I have no idea what his value is but I would imagine almost every team in the league offers something similar in value to the 16th pick even if he might leave in a year. I still think it would have to be multiple picks if the 16 was the starting point. If his value was close to that though the Bulls would have to pull the trigger obviously.

You think they would take valentine plus 16 ?
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#163 » by Butler4thewin » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:32 pm

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CoreyVillains wrote:
realEAST wrote:I'd go and offer Pacers #16 for PG13. Even if only for a season, we'd feel how it is to have two legit superstars.
And who knows, maybe he stays ;)


I have no idea what his value is but I would imagine almost every team in the league offers something similar in value to the 16th pick even if he might leave in a year. I still think it would have to be multiple picks if the 16 was the starting point. If his value was close to that though the Bulls would have to pull the trigger obviously.


It was partly a joke.

But, I wouldn't mind seeing Pax pull a reDempseyion trade, and give us something to talk and hope about for a season.

I'd offer them Wade, Val and #16 at max. I'd go as far as to throw in Portis if it gets the deal done, as long as he isn't required for the next deal:
We'd still have to add PF, and I'd look towards M. Williams (Hornets) and Melo as cheap options to trade for. (Morris from Pistons too? He'd allow ud to go after Paul, Lowry, Holiday)

We'd still have appx. 15 mil even with Melo, to add PG (Mills?) through FA; #38 and MLE once we break the cap to fill bench roles.

Would a team of Mills-Butler-George-Melo-Lopez be enticing enough for George to stay?

They are solid imo, 2nd team in the East. Can they push Cavs? Probably. Warriors? Not so likely. But, they'd have opportunity to improve through FA once Melo and Lopez (trade) get off books in 2019 and before Butler signs big deal.

I think he'd at least listen to our pitch. Having Jimmy in prime def helps there.

Just for fun :)

Quit your job drive your car into the bulls front office and demand they make this trade now !!......it's to late now the pipe dream has entered my bloodstream we must ride until death
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#164 » by sco » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:39 pm

If we go the rebuilding route, I wonder if there's a deal that could be cut with NY to take on Noah's contract to get Hernangomez?
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#165 » by realEAST » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:44 pm

Butler4thewin wrote:
CoreyVillains wrote:
realEAST wrote:I'd go and offer Pacers #16 for PG13. Even if only for a season, we'd feel how it is to have two legit superstars.
And who knows, maybe he stays ;)


I have no idea what his value is but I would imagine almost every team in the league offers something similar in value to the 16th pick even if he might leave in a year. I still think it would have to be multiple picks if the 16 was the starting point. If his value was close to that though the Bulls would have to pull the trigger obviously.

You think they would take valentine plus 16 ?


I don't know, it has to be pretty frustrating situation to be in, but I guess they'd look to get anything in return. Question is how much other teams are willing to bid.

Don't think anybody gives serious value though, like a top10 pick this year or a really good prospect;
and Bulls have a lot of those cheap middling guys, who aren't that good not to trade them, but still have some promise and appeal for other teams (Valentine, Portis, to lesser degree Zipser, Payne, Grant) and our pick is fine (not too high so we feel bad giving it up potentially for nothing, ex. #11, but still not only a late 1st).

If Lakers don't show considerable improvement this year, I think it is not given he goes there. In that case, we have some chance if he's here already and we've formed some kind of core imo.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#166 » by AirP. » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:54 pm

Clarkson and a couple of draft picks is probably all it's going to take to get P.George to LA. Nobody is going to offer a better young player then Clarkson(who is also under contract for 3 more years). Indiana has to get some type of decent long term piece for him and they definitely wouldn't get that from Cleveland. Who knows, maybe Indiana will also swap M.Ellis for Deng. I get Deng is overpaid but I'd give 6-7 million more a year to have him instead of M.Ellis and it'll help fill the huge gap at SF.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#167 » by AirP. » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:45 pm

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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#168 » by Butler4thewin » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:33 pm

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:banghead: seriously they can't be that stupid to flat out trade butler for 3
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#169 » by SportsFan215 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:27 pm

Clippers fan here in peace. Since Wade is likely to opt in for next year, and it sounds like the Bulls would prefer if he didn't, what do Bulls fan think about this deal?

Wade for Austin Rivers/Wes Johnson/Paul Pierce (just for salary purposes - will retire)/Brice Johnson

This would save the Bulls close to $5 million after Pierce retires, and they get a young prospect in Brice, plus Rivers still has some potential for growth. Thoughts?
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#170 » by sh0ck » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:30 pm

SportsFan215 wrote:Clippers fan here in peace. Since Wade is likely to opt in for next year, and it sounds like the Bulls would prefer if he didn't, what do Bulls fan think about this deal?

Wade for Austin Rivers/Wes Johnson/Paul Pierce (just for salary purposes - will retire)/Brice Johnson

This would save the Bulls close to $5 million after Pierce retires, and they get a young prospect in Brice, plus Rivers still has some potential for growth. Thoughts?


Rather not have the Austin Rivers (Player option), Wes Johnson (Player Option) contracts in 2018.

I think I rather just let Wade expire in 2018. And Brice Johnson isn't enough for me to take the risk.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#171 » by mack2354 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:25 pm

sh0ck wrote:
SportsFan215 wrote:Clippers fan here in peace. Since Wade is likely to opt in for next year, and it sounds like the Bulls would prefer if he didn't, what do Bulls fan think about this deal?

Wade for Austin Rivers/Wes Johnson/Paul Pierce (just for salary purposes - will retire)/Brice Johnson

This would save the Bulls close to $5 million after Pierce retires, and they get a young prospect in Brice, plus Rivers still has some potential for growth. Thoughts?


Rather not have the Austin Rivers (Player option), Wes Johnson (Player Option) contracts in 2018.

I think I rather just let Wade expire in 2018. And Brice Johnson isn't enough for me to take the risk.


I agree with not wanting Rivers or Johnson. If we trade Butler and Wade is looking to leave and still make his money I think we should swing a sign and trade for J.J. Reddick. You guys don't lose him for nothing, we dump Wade's Salary and Wade doesn't drag our franchise through the mud because his actress wife is happy to be in L.A.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#172 » by Kobe System » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:53 pm

Would you guys accept #2 + Deng for Butler?
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#173 » by GimmeDat » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:01 am

Kobe System wrote:Would you guys accept #2 + Deng for Butler?


Need more than that. 2+Russell+Deng would be an offer we'd be up for - from there, would come down to the bidding war.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#174 » by SportsFan215 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:30 am

mack2354 wrote:
sh0ck wrote:
SportsFan215 wrote:Clippers fan here in peace. Since Wade is likely to opt in for next year, and it sounds like the Bulls would prefer if he didn't, what do Bulls fan think about this deal?

Wade for Austin Rivers/Wes Johnson/Paul Pierce (just for salary purposes - will retire)/Brice Johnson

This would save the Bulls close to $5 million after Pierce retires, and they get a young prospect in Brice, plus Rivers still has some potential for growth. Thoughts?


Rather not have the Austin Rivers (Player option), Wes Johnson (Player Option) contracts in 2018.

I think I rather just let Wade expire in 2018. And Brice Johnson isn't enough for me to take the risk.

I agree with not wanting Rivers or Johnson. If we trade Butler and Wade is looking to leave and still make his money I think we should swing a sign and trade for J.J. Reddick. You guys don't lose him for nothing, we dump Wade's Salary and Wade doesn't drag our franchise through the mud because his actress wife is happy to be in L.A.


I would be all over a sign and trade for Redick. The only thing that would be a hurdle is that the sign and trade would hard cap the Clippers at the tax apron and the sign and trade would put the Clippers back over the tax assuming CP3 and Blake resign max contracts.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#175 » by Green_teamer » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:25 am

Come in peace...for a Butler the Celtics would probably offer something like # 3 crowder and Zeller with maybe a clipper pick or Memphis pick attached.
But regardless if you guys end up not trading Butler I really think you guys should try to get Carmelo he'd be exactly what you guys needed..

Rondo/wade/Butler/Carmelo is a pretty scary top 4. You'd have to give up like Robin Lopez to match Salaries but I could see you guys being a top 4 seed in the east
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#176 » by Leprechaun18 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:31 am

Butler only has two years left on his contract. He is not worth more than a top 3 pick.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#177 » by Jcool0 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:07 pm

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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#178 » by sco » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:33 pm

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Sounds like KP isn't a big Knicks fan. I'm a bit skeptical about KP's durability, but would definitely consider a JB for KP deal.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#179 » by MC3 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:39 pm

I'll do butler for KP straight up.
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Re: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 

Post#180 » by waffle » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:47 pm

I still think Boston is the prime suspect. They have all those freakin' picks and could really use Butler NOW. Stockpiling picks is all well and good but the best use for them is to work out a trade.

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