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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1761 » by Worm Guts » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:32 pm

minimus wrote:Tatum gives me Derrick Williams vibes. He is not quick or tall enough to be stretch 4. He needs to be super clutch shot maker to be a star in NBA, but even Melo cant give you wins in this NBA.


I think he's a lot more skilled than Derrick Williams. Williams was more of an undersized PF, where Tatum is an oversized SF.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1762 » by Krapinsky » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:33 pm

I think it goes like this:

Fultz
Ball
Tatum
Jackson
Fox
Smith
Isaac
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Markannen
Collins
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Post#1763 » by Mattya » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:36 pm

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GopherIt! wrote:Isaac continues to refuse to workout for anyone past #4. I am assuming we have no chance at him.

I'm fine w either DSJ or Monk at this point.


wow, didn't know that. Not sure if I want a rookie with those kind of antics anyway. In that case, give me Monk as our primary scorer of the bench if Bazz leaves or trade the pick for a veteran or trade down and pick Zach Collins.


I wouldn't read too much into players not having private workouts with certain teams. If Isaac has a promise near the top of the draft, what reason does he have to workout? He is all but guaranteed to go in the top half of the lottery if the team he believes is making a promise doesn't fulfill their end. Every pre draft the top players schedule workouts with teams in their range, rarely do you see those players working out for teams below that. Did Ben Simmons work out for any team past the top few teams? Doubtful. Same with Brandon Ingram. For all we know Lauri Markkanen and Zach Collins are the only players mocked anywhere near our position to have a private workout for us in Minnesota.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1764 » by Mattya » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:37 pm

Krapinsky wrote:I think it goes like this:

Fultz
Ball
Tatum
Jackson
Fox
Smith
Isaac
Monk
Markannen
Collins


Smith or Isaac. Don't care which, I will be very happy with either.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1765 » by Killboard » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:21 pm

Mattya wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I think it goes like this:

Fultz
Ball
Tatum
Jackson
Fox
Smith
Isaac
Monk
Markannen
Collins


Smith or Isaac. Don't care which, I will be very happy with either.


Im there too. I just hope Fox and Ball are taken before we are on the clock. They clearly have NBA skills but Im a little nervous about their shortcomings.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1766 » by wildvikeswolves » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:36 pm

Krapinsky wrote:I think it goes like this:

Fultz
Ball
Tatum
Jackson
Fox
Smith
Isaac
Monk
Markannen
Collins


I've got the same 1-7. I got Knicks taking Frank moving Monk and Markkanen down 1 spot each.
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Post#1767 » by guille_4 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:57 pm

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packforfreedom wrote:Isaac might have a verbal agreement with Phoenix that they'll pick if he lasts to #4 (which he will). So it's gonna be Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Isaac.

the Kings desperatly need a PG so they'll pick Fox. Orlando needs scoring so, the'll probably go after Smith. So we could have Tatum, but is he more than a less athletic, better rebounding version of Wiggins?


Better defense, better rebounding, better handling, bigger, stronger. Whether he ends up being a 22PPG scorer or not, Tatum has the ability and team oriented mentality to become a better all-around player than Wiggins, who's still mostly an efficient scorer going into his 4th season.

I'm not confident at all that Tatum can fall that much (I can see the Suns taking him before Isaac, and the Magic picking him instead of DSJ), but if he's there and your worries are that he and Wiggins may be too similar, then it's the perfect excuse to move Wiggins for a two-way All-Star like Butler, who would give the Wolves an excellent trio of wings with LaVine and Tatum. Now that would be the start of a truly exciting year...


How does Tatum compare to Otto Porter?
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1768 » by Killboard » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:09 pm

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packforfreedom wrote:Isaac might have a verbal agreement with Phoenix that they'll pick if he lasts to #4 (which he will). So it's gonna be Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Isaac.

the Kings desperatly need a PG so they'll pick Fox. Orlando needs scoring so, the'll probably go after Smith. So we could have Tatum, but is he more than a less athletic, better rebounding version of Wiggins?


Better defense, better rebounding, better handling, bigger, stronger. Whether he ends up being a 22PPG scorer or not, Tatum has the ability and team oriented mentality to become a better all-around player than Wiggins, who's still mostly an efficient scorer going into his 4th season.

I'm not confident at all that Tatum can fall that much (I can see the Suns taking him before Isaac, and the Magic picking him instead of DSJ), but if he's there and your worries are that he and Wiggins may be too similar, then it's the perfect excuse to move Wiggins for a two-way All-Star like Butler, who would give the Wolves an excellent trio of wings with LaVine and Tatum. Now that would be the start of a truly exciting year...


How does Tatum compare to Otto Porter?


He is more versatile on offense but Porter could have an edge on defense, specially on the perimeter. Porter has an edge on wingspan but Tatum has better build and an edge on standing reach. What set Tatum apart is his youth. Porter was pretty meh his first season in college.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1769 » by Krapinsky » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:22 pm

If Isaac is gone and we are picking between Monk, Smith Jr. and Markannen, I wouldn't mind a Monk for Saric deal.
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Post#1770 » by Foye » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:00 pm

Calinks wrote:Bench needs a world of help. I am not opposed to drafting someone who can bring some bench offense. Its in major trouble.


Just grab Okafor for peanuts for low post scoring and let LaVine be 6th man....Bazz is there, too.
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Post#1771 » by Sugarless » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:03 pm

minimus wrote:Tatum gives me Derrick Williams vibes. He is not quick or tall enough to be stretch 4. He needs to be super clutch shot maker to be a star in NBA, but even Melo cant give you wins in this NBA.


:o

Tatum is the complete opposite of Williams.

And what's that about a 6-8 guy not being tall enough to play the 4? That makes zero sense. There are dozens of guys that height playing the 4 and even the 5. Hell, you have a guy like Draymond Green playing C plenty of time and he's barely 6-7, if at all.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1772 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:07 pm

Draymond is about an inch shorter than Tatum, but has a wingspan that's two inches longer.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1773 » by Joel Embust » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:10 pm

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Calinks wrote:Bench needs a world of help. I am not opposed to drafting someone who can bring some bench offense. Its in major trouble.


Just grab Okafor for peanuts for low post scoring and let LaVine be 6th man....Bazz is there, too.



Okafor is a trade away from showing people why he was picked that high. Philly's just too big of a mess drafting a bunch of prospects that don't mesh well together.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1774 » by Sugarless » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:16 pm

guille_4 wrote:
Sugarless wrote:
packforfreedom wrote:Isaac might have a verbal agreement with Phoenix that they'll pick if he lasts to #4 (which he will). So it's gonna be Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Isaac.

the Kings desperatly need a PG so they'll pick Fox. Orlando needs scoring so, the'll probably go after Smith. So we could have Tatum, but is he more than a less athletic, better rebounding version of Wiggins?


Better defense, better rebounding, better handling, bigger, stronger. Whether he ends up being a 22PPG scorer or not, Tatum has the ability and team oriented mentality to become a better all-around player than Wiggins, who's still mostly an efficient scorer going into his 4th season.

I'm not confident at all that Tatum can fall that much (I can see the Suns taking him before Isaac, and the Magic picking him instead of DSJ), but if he's there and your worries are that he and Wiggins may be too similar, then it's the perfect excuse to move Wiggins for a two-way All-Star like Butler, who would give the Wolves an excellent trio of wings with LaVine and Tatum. Now that would be the start of a truly exciting year...


How does Tatum compare to Otto Porter?


Tatum is more offensive minded, he's a better scorer especially from the post and mid-range, his ballhandling is more developed and he's shown some nice vision at times, though he also tends to commit some TOs that could be avoided. He's a guy that you can rely on offensively to a bigger extent than Porter Jr coming out of college and probably now (you can never be 100% sure with rookies, of course).

On the other hand, Otto has improved quite a bit defensively since his rookie season and he's got the advantage on that end, plus he knows his role and excels at it, which is rare in young players. I think Tatum has the tools and the motor to be an above average defender at the very least, and like Porter he's a humble guy that should have no problem doing what the coaches tell him and putting the work to get there in the next few years.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1775 » by horaceworthy » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:33 pm

I think Tatum's the safest bet among the top 3 forwards to be gone before #7. I actually think the guy with the best chance of dropping is Jackson. He's the best athlete, but in comparison to the other two, he's a little older, has the shakiest jumper, and is the only one with a hint of off court baggage.

If all three are gone I'd be happy with Smith or Anunoby. Smith is the better prospect between those two, but OG plays a position of greater need and would unlock more lineup options for us.

I wouldn't mind Zach Collins given his potential two way value, but his value might be diminished given there's less of a premium on lineups with two traditional big men.

I wouldn't be as excited about Monk or Lauri, but I could at least get behind the added shooting. With Markannen I have concerns about the fit defensively, with Monk my concern is that his best position could also be the best position for 2 of the 3 players that make up the Wolves are building around.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1776 » by Foye » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:39 pm

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Calinks wrote:Bench needs a world of help. I am not opposed to drafting someone who can bring some bench offense. Its in major trouble.


Just grab Okafor for peanuts for low post scoring and let LaVine be 6th man....Bazz is there, too.



Okafor is a trade away from showing people why he was picked that high. Philly's just too big of a mess drafting a bunch of prospects that don't mesh well together.


Thats why I say get him. Was in favour of getting Nurkic as well. Turned out real well for our rivals Portland.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1777 » by Slim Tubby » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:57 pm

Mattya wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I think it goes like this:

Fultz
Ball
Tatum
Jackson
Fox
Smith
Isaac
Monk
Markannen
Collins


Smith or Isaac. Don't care which, I will be very happy with either.


My feelings exactly. I'm in the minority and would actually prefer DSJ over Isaac but will be happy with either.
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Re: 2017 Draft Thread 

Post#1778 » by Calinks » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:47 pm

Foye wrote:
Calinks wrote:Bench needs a world of help. I am not opposed to drafting someone who can bring some bench offense. Its in major trouble.


Just grab Okafor for peanuts for low post scoring and let LaVine be 6th man....Bazz is there, too.

I'd be interested in Okafor if the deal was reasonable. No guarantee Bazz is here next season. Another reason why we need to bolster the bench.
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Post#1780 » by Cyborg21 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:55 am

If they keep the pick, I would want Issac, Monk or Smith.
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