Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[Jinra]

I am really liking everything I am seeing about this Donovan Mitchell kid. He looks like one of those gems that will explode on the scene next year.

But he's a tweener, a SG in a PG's body, those types rarely ever amount to much in the NBA other than decent role player.

Yeah, sure. So was D Wade.

[daoneandonly]

Dwayne Wade is 6'5'' and a straight up 2, Westbrook averages double digit assists, meaning not a tweener, he's a point. And Bledsoe can play the lead guard, but not for a playoff team.

And if he use our top 10 pick on a guy like George Hill, yeah, i consider that a failure.

Wade id 6'4 they're an inch apart so 6'4 is a straight up 2 but 6'3 is a tweener got it. Double digit assist doesnt make u a pg westbrook has a high usage he isnt a pg . I would continue but there really isnt any point as i doubt you've watched 5 minutes of any prospects you've trashed

russell westbrook
BYE

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

[Jinra]

I am really liking everything I am seeing about this Donovan Mitchell kid. He looks like one of those gems that will explode on the scene next year.

No interest in having him here with the 9th pick. I wouldn't be opposed to it if we traded down to #12, but there are definitely 9 (maybe even 10 or 11) guys I would rather have than him at the moment.

Sure, I still like Dennis Smith Jr better, but I still like Donovan's game from what I have seen with my eyes.

[daoneandonly]

Dwayne wade russell westbrook George hill eric bledsoe etc etc etc

Dwayne Wade is 6'5'' and a straight up 2, Westbrook averages double digit assists, meaning not a tweener, he's a point. And Bledsoe can play the lead guard, but not for a playoff team.

And if he use our top 10 pick on a guy like George Hill, yeah, i consider that a failure.

Wade id 6'4 they're an inch apart so 6'4 is a straight up 2 but 6'3 is a tweener got it. Double digit assist doesnt make u a pg westbrook has a high usage he isnt a pg . I would continue but there really isnt any point as i doubt you've watched 5 minutes of any prospects you've trashed

Yeah big difference when you're guarding people 6'6''-6'7, which is fairly average for a 2, we've seen our midget ball try to do that and it fails every time.

[Mr B]

Dwayne Wade is 6'5'' and a straight up 2, Westbrook averages double digit assists, meaning not a tweener, he's a point. And Bledsoe can play the lead guard, but not for a playoff team.

And if he use our top 10 pick on a guy like George Hill, yeah, i consider that a failure.

Wade id 6'4 they're an inch apart so 6'4 is a straight up 2 but 6'3 is a tweener got it. Double digit assist doesnt make u a pg westbrook has a high usage he isnt a pg . I would continue but there really isnt any point as i doubt you've watched 5 minutes of any prospects you've trashed

Ok name other 6'3'' and under tweeners then that are worthy of being a top 10 pick, cause I can't. Jaryd Bayless, leo barbosa, Randy Foye, all of which are at most, decent role players. But again you're a petulant child who just resorts to "you don't watch basketball" whenever someoen disagrees with you. But you're also the guy that wants to give teague close to 20 mill a year, so, yeah, you know your stuff.

You do realize the NBA draft is much different that the NFL draft right? At pick 9 in the NBA you would have to be EXTREMELY lucky to find a guy that will end up being a multiple all star. Even in what is considered a deep draft only 2 or 3 of these guys will end up making 1 all star much less becoming a super star.

[daoneandonly]

I am really liking everything I am seeing about this Donovan Mitchell kid. He looks like one of those gems that will explode on the scene next year.

But he's a tweener, a SG in a PG's body, those types rarely ever amount to much in the NBA other than decent role player.

Yeah, sure. So was D Wade.

There are several sites that have him listed at 6'5'', some at 6'4'' granted, but 6'5'' that's a SG

[Pinkyring]

Wade id 6'4 they're an inch apart so 6'4 is a straight up 2 but 6'3 is a tweener got it. Double digit assist doesnt make u a pg westbrook has a high usage he isnt a pg . I would continue but there really isnt any point as i doubt you've watched 5 minutes of any prospects you've trashed

russell westbrook
BYE

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

Apparently his ucla coach didnt think he was a pg or did any draft sight that profiled him nor does anyway who watches basketball but you're a stat watcher so yep 10 assist a game makes a guy a pg i guess james harden is a point guard too even though he clearly starts at 2 because again he averages double digit assist. You're an awesome poster keep up the analytics u keep the forum afloat

[daoneandonly]

Wade id 6'4 they're an inch apart so 6'4 is a straight up 2 but 6'3 is a tweener got it. Double digit assist doesnt make u a pg westbrook has a high usage he isnt a pg . I would continue but there really isnt any point as i doubt you've watched 5 minutes of any prospects you've trashed

Ok name other 6'3'' and under tweeners then that are worthy of being a top 10 pick, cause I can't. Jaryd Bayless, leo barbosa, Randy Foye, all of which are at most, decent role players. But again you're a petulant child who just resorts to "you don't watch basketball" whenever someoen disagrees with you. But you're also the guy that wants to give teague close to 20 mill a year, so, yeah, you know your stuff.

You do realize the NBA draft is much different that the NFL draft right? At pick 9 in the NBA you would have to be EXTREMELY lucky to find a guy that will end up being a multiple all star. Even in what is considered a deep draft only 2 or 3 of these guys will end up making 1 all star much less becoming a super star.

I understand, but in the case of a Donovan, you don't take him at 9, you trade down because he will be there. The guys I emntioned are barely afterthoughts, they're not in the conversation for 9th pick. Now yes we paid max money to Barnes who has never been an all star and likely never will, but someone like him at 9 is what you shoot for. Someone who has a defined position, tweeners are rare success stories, yeah there's exceptions to every rule, but more often than not, they are wasted top picks. You think in any redraft foye, bayless, or gordon would go as high as they did?

[Mr B]

Dwayne wade russell westbrook George hill eric bledsoe etc etc etc

Exactly. Ideally you would want your SG to be in the 6'5"-6'7" range but NBA history is littered with shorter SG's who have been very successful. Mitchell also has a huge wing span and plays solid defense. Now I would take DSJ, Ntilikina, or Monk over him but all three of those guys are gone and the Mavs couldn't trade down I would still be ok with taking Mitchell at 9.

If all 3 of those guys are gone, that means Issac, Fox, or Tatum would be on the board, you take that over Mitchell anyway even if Tatum and Barnes are redundant.

Actually my scenario for taking Mitchell was if the Mavs traded down to the 11-13 range. If DSJ and Ntilikina are gone (which is very likely) I could see the Mavs dropping down and drafting Mitchell.

[daoneandonly]

russell westbrook
BYE

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

Apparently his ucla coach didnt think he was a pg or did any draft sight that profiled him nor does anyway who watches basketball but you're a stat watcher so yep 10 assist a game makes a guy a pg i guess james harden is a point guard too even though he clearly starts at 2 because again he averages double digit assist. You're an awesome poster keep up the analytics u keep the forum afloat

yea if u follow basketball, you'd know that james harden is houston's PG, that was actually a widely talked about move that da'ntoni did. But of course you don't knowbasketball from an order of chicken lo mein, so it's a waste talking to you. We can avoid this going forward as im putting you on block for being so ignorant

[Pinkyring]

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

Apparently his ucla coach didnt think he was a pg or did any draft sight that profiled him nor does anyway who watches basketball but you're a stat watcher so yep 10 assist a game makes a guy a pg i guess james harden is a point guard too even though he clearly starts at 2 because again he averages double digit assist. You're an awesome poster keep up the analytics u keep the forum afloat

yea if u follow basketball, you'd know that james harden is houston's PG, that was actually a widely talked about move that da'ntoni did. But of course you don't knowbasketball from an order of chicken lo mein, so it's a waste talking to you. We can avoid this going forward as im putting you on block for being so ignorant

Thank you maam/sir good day

[daoneandonly]

Exactly. Ideally you would want your SG to be in the 6'5"-6'7" range but NBA history is littered with shorter SG's who have been very successful. Mitchell also has a huge wing span and plays solid defense. Now I would take DSJ, Ntilikina, or Monk over him but all three of those guys are gone and the Mavs couldn't trade down I would still be ok with taking Mitchell at 9.

If all 3 of those guys are gone, that means Issac, Fox, or Tatum would be on the board, you take that over Mitchell anyway even if Tatum and Barnes are redundant.

Actually my scenario for taking Mitchell was if the Mavs traded down to the 11-13 range. If DSJ and Ntilikina are gone (which is very likely) I could see the Mavs dropping down and drafting Mitchell.

That is understandable, heck i'd rather drop down collect an additional asset even if nkinnia was left, but getting mitchell (or rodrigue exum) does not address our biggest position of need, PG.

[Pinkyring]

I am really liking everything I am seeing about this Donovan Mitchell kid. He looks like one of those gems that will explode on the scene next year.

No interest in having him here with the 9th pick. I wouldn't be opposed to it if we traded down to #12, but there are definitely 9 (maybe even 10 or 11) guys I would rather have than him at the moment.

Sure, I still like Dennis Smith Jr better, but I still like Donovan's game from what I have seen with my eyes.

Fit wise smith is more plug and play for mitchell and frank you'd have to groom them off ball, whoever we take its clearly going to be a backcourt guy moves will need to be made.

[Jinra]

But he's a tweener, a SG in a PG's body, those types rarely ever amount to much in the NBA other than decent role player.

Yeah, sure. So was D Wade.

There are several sites that have him listed at 6'5'', some at 6'4'' granted, but 6'5'' that's a SG

Sorry, but Wade is 5'5" on stilts. Dude got passed in the draft for being undersized.

I understand everyone has their preferences, but screw the past. Every player is different. I like him because of his defensive plays and because he is a slasher with athleticism. He is not perfect, but he appears to have lots of tools to work with. If he has the ability to become Monta Ellis with defense... then I'm in.

[Mr B]

Ok name other 6'3'' and under tweeners then that are worthy of being a top 10 pick, cause I can't. Jaryd Bayless, leo barbosa, Randy Foye, all of which are at most, decent role players. But again you're a petulant child who just resorts to "you don't watch basketball" whenever someoen disagrees with you. But you're also the guy that wants to give teague close to 20 mill a year, so, yeah, you know your stuff.

You do realize the NBA draft is much different that the NFL draft right? At pick 9 in the NBA you would have to be EXTREMELY lucky to find a guy that will end up being a multiple all star. Even in what is considered a deep draft only 2 or 3 of these guys will end up making 1 all star much less becoming a super star.

I understand, but in the case of a Donovan, you don't take him at 9, you trade down because he will be there. The guys I emntioned are barely afterthoughts, they're not in the conversation for 9th pick. Now yes we paid max money to Barnes who has never been an all star and likely never will, but someone like him at 9 is what you shoot for. Someone who has a defined position, tweeners are rare success stories, yeah there's exceptions to every rule, but more often than not, they are wasted top picks. You think in any redraft foye, bayless, or gordon would go as high as they did?

True but in a re-draft how much higher would would an undersized SG like Wade go?

[daoneandonly]

You do realize the NBA draft is much different that the NFL draft right? At pick 9 in the NBA you would have to be EXTREMELY lucky to find a guy that will end up being a multiple all star. Even in what is considered a deep draft only 2 or 3 of these guys will end up making 1 all star much less becoming a super star.

I understand, but in the case of a Donovan, you don't take him at 9, you trade down because he will be there. The guys I emntioned are barely afterthoughts, they're not in the conversation for 9th pick. Now yes we paid max money to Barnes who has never been an all star and likely never will, but someone like him at 9 is what you shoot for. Someone who has a defined position, tweeners are rare success stories, yeah there's exceptions to every rule, but more often than not, they are wasted top picks. You think in any redraft foye, bayless, or gordon would go as high as they did?

True but in a re-draft how much higher would would an undersized SG like Wade go?

you have a point, for me im harping on that one inch, is it crazy? perhaps, but i just can't name anyone shorter than wade, which monk and mitchell are that have succeeded with similar skillsets as a 2. Now i would not be upset at taking mitchell if we got additional picks and passed on nkinnia, but suffice to say, I'd rather have justin jackson or harry giles if they are there

[dirkforpres]

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It's always flattering when players want to be here... I have no issues selecting this guy at 9, but the talent pool is so deep that I don't think there is any player worth trading up for. If he's there at 9, select him. Otherwise, pick Smith or Isaac or Monk (whoever is left)

What if somehow both he and Smith were there? Would you be okay if we picked him over Smith?

I prefer Smith, but I wouldn't be upset about Frank.

[dirkforpres]

But he's a tweener, a SG in a PG's body, those types rarely ever amount to much in the NBA other than decent role player.

Jason Terry?

I consider him a decent role player, which to me is not someone you select in the top 10, but maybe the teens-twenties, especially in a stacked draft class.

JET was a top 10 pick, do you consider him a bust?

[Mr B]

I understand, but in the case of a Donovan, you don't take him at 9, you trade down because he will be there. The guys I emntioned are barely afterthoughts, they're not in the conversation for 9th pick. Now yes we paid max money to Barnes who has never been an all star and likely never will, but someone like him at 9 is what you shoot for. Someone who has a defined position, tweeners are rare success stories, yeah there's exceptions to every rule, but more often than not, they are wasted top picks. You think in any redraft foye, bayless, or gordon would go as high as they did?

True but in a re-draft how much higher would would an undersized SG like Wade go?

you have a point, for me im harping on that one inch, is it crazy? perhaps, but i just can't name anyone shorter than wade, which monk and mitchell are that have succeeded with similar skillsets as a 2. Now i would not be upset at taking mitchell if we got additional picks and passed on nkinnia, but suffice to say, I'd rather have justin jackson or harry giles if they are there

Giles injury history doesn't scare you? I read that he's had ACL surgery on both knees and has had a torn MCL.

[daoneandonly]

Jason Terry?

I consider him a decent role player, which to me is not someone you select in the top 10, but maybe the teens-twenties, especially in a stacked draft class.

JET was a top 10 pick, do you consider him a bust?

More not worthy of being top 10 than being a bust. he was a fine player, but I don't think at any point I'd label him a top 8 SG, which is what i would want form the 9th pick. someoen who is roughly top 8 in their own position.