Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

[gipper08]

he shot over 40% from downtown. You don't know what you're talking about

from deep...not college three...what did he shoot from nba three and beyond this season? 2-10. How did he look the other day shooting?

College three and nba three are different worlds.

A free throw is to a college three what a college three is to a nba three.

The other day at the Sixers workout you mean? Dude flew halfway across the country and wasn't even here for the workout who cares. but yeah, ignore this to promote your agenda. Troll

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Flew? I thought he drove from his nearby home in MD.Is he going to have to fly in the league for a game? is he going to have jet lag and lack of sleep in the league? That was one of the worst shooting displays I have ever seen.

Troll? What a warrior you are. I promise you I spend more time thinking about the sixers than you do.

Guy cant shot from deep. No need for you to have a break down over it. But you are making my point about blind allegiance.

[hookshot199]

"Future assets are just that; Future assets". Didn't like that

He hasn't done anything to demonstrate he's willing to sacrifice the future for minor fixes in the present. Everything he's done shows that he, like Sam, is taking the long view. I don't think we have to be worried about that comment.

w. I don't think we have to be worried about that comment.[/quote]


Several points to keep in mind.

1) Sacramento finished 8th and jumped into third in this year's lottery. Otherwise, we don't have the pick. More relevantly, it was only a 10% chance for them to jump into the top 3. I still think the Lakers could be a bottom-five team. But if they're better, we could inherit a seven, eight or nine pick.

2) Sacramento played 8-17 ball after trading Cousins. That's .320. It was during a league-wide tankathon. Nevertheless, 32% x 82 games = 26 wins.

Going back five seasons from 2016-2017, that's a 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th and 5th-place finish. Collison (I don't know if the Kings are going to resign him) played well down the stretch.

3) The Kings only have seven players under contract going into the 2018/2019 season, two of whom are on player options (Temple and Koufos). Add to that the 5 and 10 picks this year, probably top 5 in 2018, our second-round pick this year (34), and it looks like their own second-round and Portland's second-round picks in 2018. That would be 11-13 players under contract not counting free-agency signings this July (2017) and next (2018).

Not counting free agency signings and assuming Koufos and Temple take their player options, they will have around $50-$60 mil to throw at free agents.

Injuries notwithstanding, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to win 30 games with a young but not completely rookie lineup.

[LongLiveHinkie]

@gipper08

What games did you watch??? Kid can shoot. Only kid with better form in top 10 was Monk. Who, oh by the way, apparently bricked a lot of his workout shots.

Lonzo struggled in his Lakers workout per reports. Jackson shot poorly at his second workout with Lakers.

Fultz will be fine. He has a great foundation of skills and natural talent to build upon. He was 18 going against older players and he looked very good. Sub him in for Fox at UK and suddenly he has a 30 win team and no one questions him. Put Fox in UW and they don't win 9 games even.

Lastly, there are exactly 2 guys that fill our need in 2018 draft. I don't want to gamble on being able to get one when I can get Fultz now.

He's a bitter jealous troll. Don't bother.

[gipper08]

@gipper08

What games did you watch??? Kid can shoot. Only kid with better form in top 10 was Monk. Who, oh by the way, apparently bricked a lot of his workout shots.

Lonzo struggled in his Lakers workout per reports. Jackson shot poorly at his second workout with Lakers.

Fultz will be fine. He has a great foundation of skills and natural talent to build upon. He was 18 going against older players and he looked very good. Sub him in for Fox at UK and suddenly he has a 30 win team and no one questions him. Put Fox in UW and they don't win 9 games even.

Lastly, there are exactly 2 guys that fill our need in 2018 draft. I don't want to gamble on being able to get one when I can get Fultz now.

I assume I saw 70% of the shots he took. I disagree. Swivel, Hitch, big dip.etc. Obviously correctable (and perfectable even without form changes) but it needs work.Same debate as 2015 with the DAR apologists on here telling me he was an elite shooter.

edit: wait. I agree that he has good form compared to the rest of top 10. I disagree that he has nba range. I disagree that his form can handle deep nba range. I believe it just needs a lot of work.

[Alatan]

I just watched some footage of Tyreke Evans with the NOP and Fultz looks alot like a craftier, more athletic version of him. Possibly a better feel for the game as well. That does prove Fultz game translates to the NBA but what started to concern me is that NOP wasn't very good. Do you guys have any thoughts on that ?

[Cheatergriffin]

I just watched some footage of Tyreke Evans with the NOP and Fultz looks alot like a craftier, more athletic version of him. Possibly a better feel for the game as well. That does prove Fultz game translates to the NBA but what started to concern me is that NOP wasn't very good. Do you guys have any thoughts on that ?

I dont see it. Tyreke is a black hole on offense and cant shoot.

Fultz is like if jesus, dwade, harden, ginobli, and drussell had a baby his first name would be markelle.

[LongLiveHinkie]

[Alatan]

I just watched some footage of Tyreke Evans with the NOP and Fultz looks alot like a craftier, more athletic version of him. Possibly a better feel for the game as well. That does prove Fultz game translates to the NBA but what started to concern me is that NOP wasn't very good. Do you guys have any thoughts on that ?

I dont see it. Tyreke is a black hole on offense and cant shoot.

Fultz is like if jesus, dwade, harden, ginobli, and drussell had a baby his first name would be markelle.

Don't get me wrong i love Fultz's game and think he will be a perennial allstar it's just that his play style looks (to me) similar to Tyreke's when he was younger.

[Unbreakable99]

I just watched some footage of Tyreke Evans with the NOP and Fultz looks alot like a craftier, more athletic version of him. Possibly a better feel for the game as well. That does prove Fultz game translates to the NBA but what started to concern me is that NOP wasn't very good. Do you guys have any thoughts on that ?

I dont see it. Tyreke is a black hole on offense and cant shoot.

Fultz is like if jesus, dwade, harden, ginobli, and drussell had a baby his first name would be markelle.

Let's not go that far. Fultz may not even be the best prospect in his class.

[PhilBlackson]

Fultz is about as perfect fit next to Ben (and Biid if he can actually stay healthy) as you can hope for.

The Tyreke comparisons are awful fails lol Fultz is 100x better shooter and a MUCH better athlete.

[Alatan]

Fultz is about as perfect fit next to Ben (and Biid if he can actually stay healthy) as you can hope for.

The Tyreke comparisons are awful fails lol Fultz is 100x better shooter and a MUCH better athlete.

I agree. I was just talking about the visual style of play not impact.

After watching it again and comparing his footage and Fultz footage i can say that there are similarities but also differences.

Tyreke has tunelvision when he drives to the basket and likes to pound the rock a lot but he was rookie of the year with 20 5 5 stats.
He was a 6 6 PG with a 6 11 wingspan, 34 inch vert( less in game), easygoing style of play and nice handle. Fultz is 6 4, 6 10, 36 but a better leaper in game. Also Fultz looks more fluid with the ball, doesn't force drives, has better vision and passing ability and is a better shooter.

The only questions i have about Markelle's game is his shooting range, free throw shooting and motor. The first 2 will probably improve in his first 2 years with a shooting coach/practice and the third might not be a big issue.

[kuclas]

This is a good trade. I rate it has a B. Cause Josh Jackson still would have been a solid addition at number 3 for the sixers. The key is and always been the health of Joel Embiid. Embiid can hide a lot of players deficiencies on BOTH THE OFFENSE and defense. Jackson doesn't even need to spot up for jumper cause as Embiid gets doubled team. Jackson can just take it to the rim and finish.

No matter how good Fultz, Simmons, and saric max out on their talent. They aren't winning an NBA championship without Joel Embiid staying healthy.

[freshie2]

Embiid is the key, but Fultz is such a key addition. His game is less common to find, which is why the trade is fully justified. It's a great day to be a sixer fan...been nearly 35 years, but this roster /franchise finally can be special.

[Alatan]

I don't thin Jackson fits on the Sixers and i think he will never learn to shoot. His athleticism is overrated due to his motor in my opinion and he is actually an average athlete for his position in NBA standards. He will be a decent NBA starter and a glue guy but nothing more.
The trade was great and i gave it an A+ considering Sixers gave only one additional asset to gain a better tier player than available at the 3 spot. Maybe Smith is in the same tier as Fultz but time will tell.

[cksdayoff]

Embiid is the key, but Fultz is such a key addition. His game is less common to find, which is why the trade is fully justified. It's a great day to be a sixer fan...been nearly 35 years, but this roster /franchise finally can be special.

our core is set, now we just need to sprinkle the team with some defense and shooting

[PhilBlackson]

This is a good trade. I rate it has a B. Cause Josh Jackson still would have been a solid addition at number 3 for the sixers. The key is and always been the health of Joel Embiid. Embiid can hide a lot of players deficiencies on BOTH THE OFFENSE and defense. Jackson doesn't even need to spot up for jumper cause as Embiid gets doubled team. Jackson can just take it to the rim and finish.

No matter how good Fultz, Simmons, and saric max out on their talent. They aren't winning an NBA championship without Joel Embiid staying healthy.

I hate to say it but Saric is really a non-factor imo. He doesn't strike me as anything special just seems like he can be potentially be a starting stretch 4 (I'd even be tempted to start Bell if Biid is healthy as those 2 would be incredible defensive anchors with Biid already stretching the floor with Fultz and Korkmaz). Really he doesn't make or break anything.

But getting Fultz was absolutely key.

Sometimes great talents aren't great fits ie/ Cousins and Davis. Yes you run the risk of missing out on Knox, Sexton etc next year but those guys require the ball in their hands and of course we want Ben being the distributor for the most part. What was needed was a secondary ball handler, scorer and big time shot maker and that is Markelle Futlz.

Said it already but their dynamic will be like Kyrie/LeBron or heck Wall/Beal except I have ZERO doubt Fultz/Simmons will be better than Wall/Beal and those 2 are good enough to make the Wizards a top 4 team in the East. Getting Fultz has all but ensured that we will be a top 4 seed moving forward. Getting a "Knox" (which the "worst" possible scenario to miss out on) imo would not have and could have made for a bit of an awkward fit despite being a great talent himself.

All that to say, as presently constructed no they wouldn't win without Embiid but it doesn't mean they can't with out him as they already have 2/3rds of the equation. LeBron needed a "Bosh" or "Love" to get him over the hump and now with GSW's super team that will be fading in 4-5 years just when Ben, Fultz and whoever are kicking into high gear, PHI has solidified themselves as a destination whatever FA PF or C at that time wants to win a ship.

[Alatan]

This is a good trade. I rate it has a B. Cause Josh Jackson still would have been a solid addition at number 3 for the sixers. The key is and always been the health of Joel Embiid. Embiid can hide a lot of players deficiencies on BOTH THE OFFENSE and defense. Jackson doesn't even need to spot up for jumper cause as Embiid gets doubled team. Jackson can just take it to the rim and finish.

No matter how good Fultz, Simmons, and saric max out on their talent. They aren't winning an NBA championship without Joel Embiid staying healthy.

I hate to say it but Saric is really a non-factor imo.

But getting Fultz was absolutely key.

What was needed was a secondary ball handler, scorer and big time shot maker and that is Markelle Futlz.

All that to say, as presently constructed no they wouldn't win without Embiid but it doesn't mean they can't with out him as they already have 2/3rds of the equation.

I agree on those 4 statements and I hope Embiid stays healthy because he is a superstar tier talent and a great guy.

[freshie2]

This is a good trade. I rate it has a B. Cause Josh Jackson still would have been a solid addition at number 3 for the sixers. The key is and always been the health of Joel Embiid. Embiid can hide a lot of players deficiencies on BOTH THE OFFENSE and defense. Jackson doesn't even need to spot up for jumper cause as Embiid gets doubled team. Jackson can just take it to the rim and finish.

No matter how good Fultz, Simmons, and saric max out on their talent. They aren't winning an NBA championship without Joel Embiid staying healthy.

I hate to say it but Saric is really a non-factor imo.

But getting Fultz was absolutely key.

What was needed was a secondary ball handler, scorer and big time shot maker and that is Markelle Futlz.

All that to say, as presently constructed no they wouldn't win without Embiid but it doesn't mean they can't with out him as they already have 2/3rds of the equation.

I agree on those 4 statements and I hope Embiid stays healthy because he is a superstar tier talent and a great guy.

Saric is a great bench piece who may end up finishing games...it's amazing how quickly we've minimized Saric into Jah's level.

[sixerhp3]

So today on First Take Stephen A. Smith gave 0% credit to Hinkie for the Sixers bright future and on PTI Wilbon said even with the addition of Fultz the sixers will be a lottery team next season and the season after that, coming up with every pessimistic reason why we will fail. What's up with these salty old guys who have zero knowledge of the process or anything else? It's pretty embarrassing to be a reporter on national TV and sound so bitter and ignorant.

[PhilBlackson]

I hate to say it but Saric is really a non-factor imo.

But getting Fultz was absolutely key.

What was needed was a secondary ball handler, scorer and big time shot maker and that is Markelle Futlz.

All that to say, as presently constructed no they wouldn't win without Embiid but it doesn't mean they can't with out him as they already have 2/3rds of the equation.

I agree on those 4 statements and I hope Embiid stays healthy because he is a superstar tier talent and a great guy.

Saric is a great bench piece who may end up finishing games...it's amazing how quickly we've minimized Saric into Jah's level.

It's not really about "minimizing' him versus that he isn't a big factor one way or the other to being a championship contender or not which is what my original post was in response to. Ironically as you just said yourself he is BENCH piece which is hardly noteworthy.