Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[BRUNiNHO91]

What if we just pick at 3, sign Hayward and make something simple like Bradley for Vuc + filler

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Nader
Crowder/Tatum/Theis
Horford/Vuc/Zizic

Can go big or small, maintains the young core and flexibility, gives Tatum and Brown a clear path to a starting role

I'm super cool with picking Tatum and signing Griffin instead of Hayward.

IT/Rozier
Bradley/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/Tatum
Horford/Zizic

Still got that MLE money to chase a guy like James Johnson. Maybe at the trade deadline swing a Bradley and Crowder for Butler deal if dude starts trying to shake himself loose from that Chicago mess. You pretyy much cap yourself out free agency wise for the next 3 years when and IF you re up Bradley and Isaiah but you still have loads of picks and assets to be a major trade threat. That team might be the best team in the East by default once LeBron leaves.

[Slartibartfast]

I don't understand sending out both AB and Jae for Butler.

If we're going win-now, how can we trade our 2 best wing shooters for Butler? That way even if you add Hayward too, you are looking at a slight downgrade in long-range shooting and lots of sketchy shooting off the bench too with Smart, Rozier and whoever we end up keeping from Jaylen or Jackson/Tatum.

And if you have to go Hayward after losing Jae, how do you address the 4? Theis, maybe a reupped KO and Yabu? Yikes.

We can't keep AB and Jae if we trade for Butler to then be able to sign Hayward. To be able to add both Butler and then sign Hayward, then Crowder, Bradley, Olynyk, #3, one of Mickey/Jackson and Yabusele for another season are all gone.

This scenario could make some sense with signing Blake Griffin.

IT/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Butler/Nader
Griffin/Mickey
Horford/Zizic

I think that team will likely have some major spacing issues. Jaylen is not a sure thing from 3 yet. He sandwiched his encouraging 34% during the RS with 29% in college and 22% in the playoffs. He was a huge sucking negative in O-RPM, down there with guys like MCW and Omer Asik.

Jimmy has had his struggles from deep too. Only 34% for his career and not all that comfortable still. Blake is far from reliable from deep and only takes a few. Al isn't elite. Even IT is more good than great shooting the ball from long-range - fluctuates between 35-38 (30 in the playoffs).

And then the bench is just a nightmare - not a single good shooter in the bunch.

[derblitzenator]

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[Zaschrona]

What if we just pick at 3, sign Hayward and make something simple like Bradley for Vuc + filler

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Nader
Crowder/Tatum/Theis
Horford/Vuc/Zizic

Can go big or small, maintains the young core and flexibility, gives Tatum and Brown a clear path to a starting role

I'm super cool with picking Tatum and signing Griffin instead of Hayward.

IT/Rozier
Bradley/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/Tatum
Horford/Zizic

Still got that MLE money to chase a guy like James Johnson. Maybe at the trade deadline swing a Bradley and Crowder for Butler deal if dude starts trying to shake himself loose from that Chicago mess. You pretyy much cap yourself out free agency wise for the next 3 years when and IF you re up Bradley and Isaiah but you still have loads of picks and assets to be a major trade threat. That team might be the best team in the East by default once LeBron leaves.

If we sign Griffin, then we have just room exception. But otherwise I like this scenario.

[chrisab123]

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Why did LeBron fire his assistant?

[BRUNiNHO91]

What if we just pick at 3, sign Hayward and make something simple like Bradley for Vuc + filler

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Nader
Crowder/Tatum/Theis
Horford/Vuc/Zizic

Can go big or small, maintains the young core and flexibility, gives Tatum and Brown a clear path to a starting role

I'm super cool with picking Tatum and signing Griffin instead of Hayward.

IT/Rozier
Bradley/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/Tatum
Horford/Zizic

Still got that MLE money to chase a guy like James Johnson. Maybe at the trade deadline swing a Bradley and Crowder for Butler deal if dude starts trying to shake himself loose from that Chicago mess. You pretyy much cap yourself out free agency wise for the next 3 years when and IF you re up Bradley and Isaiah but you still have loads of picks and assets to be a major trade threat. That team might be the best team in the East by default once LeBron leaves.

If we sign Griffin, then we have just room exception. But otherwise I like this scenario.

Idk crap about these exceptions..so yea whatever it is that you just said, that's probably what I had in mind. lol

[Zaschrona]

I don't understand sending out both AB and Jae for Butler.

If we're going win-now, how can we trade our 2 best wing shooters for Butler? That way even if you add Hayward too, you are looking at a slight downgrade in long-range shooting and lots of sketchy shooting off the bench too with Smart, Rozier and whoever we end up keeping from Jaylen or Jackson/Tatum.

And if you have to go Hayward after losing Jae, how do you address the 4? Theis, maybe a reupped KO and Yabu? Yikes.

We can't keep AB and Jae if we trade for Butler to then be able to sign Hayward. To be able to add both Butler and then sign Hayward, then Crowder, Bradley, Olynyk, #3, one of Mickey/Jackson and Yabusele for another season are all gone.

This scenario could make some sense with signing Blake Griffin.

IT/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Butler/Nader
Griffin/Mickey
Horford/Zizic

I think that team will likely have some major spacing issues. Jaylen is not a sure thing from 3 yet. He sandwiched his encouraging 34% during the RS with 29% in college and 22% in the playoffs. He was a huge sucking negative in O-RPM, down there with guys like MCW and Omer Asik.

Jimmy has had his struggles from deep too. Only 34% for his career and not all that comfortable still. Blake is far from reliable from deep and only takes a few. Al isn't elite. Even IT is more good than great shooting the ball from long-range - fluctuates between 35-38 (30 in the playoffs).

And then the bench is just a nightmare - not a single good shooter in the bunch.

Agree, totally. But if we sign Hayward instead of Griffin, then we have possibly just Horford as a real PF, and he is way more suited as C to today's NBA.

The only sensible scenario when trading for Butler makes a real sense for us is in the new season AFTER we sign Hayward or Griffin. #3, Bradley and Mickey works. #3, Crowder, Rozier and Mickey works too.

Then we are looking on a team like:
IT/Rozier
Butler/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/FA
Horford/Zizic

Looks better, but don't think this scenario is realistic at all. Chicago won't wait for us.

[TommyPoints]

I neeeeeeed rumors. Someone must have something. I'm dying here.

[Tyakack]

Cavs will get butler or PG and cockblock us yet again.

[TommyPoints]

What is a 1 year rental of PG worth anyway?

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[chrisab123]

Cavs will get butler or PG and cockblock us yet again.

I can't see why people would gift either to LeBron. They legitimately have no one of value to a rebuilding team.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Cavs will get butler or PG and cockblock us yet again.

They might get PG but they won't get Butler. Chicago can easily get much better offers for Butler than just Kevin Love.

BTW LOL @ the Cavs if they trade for PG and him and LeBron bolt next year to LA together. That **** fan base deserves that so much.

[Slartibartfast]

We can't keep AB and Jae if we trade for Butler to then be able to sign Hayward. To be able to add both Butler and then sign Hayward, then Crowder, Bradley, Olynyk, #3, one of Mickey/Jackson and Yabusele for another season are all gone.

This scenario could make some sense with signing Blake Griffin.

IT/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Butler/Nader
Griffin/Mickey
Horford/Zizic

I think that team will likely have some major spacing issues. Jaylen is not a sure thing from 3 yet. He sandwiched his encouraging 34% during the RS with 29% in college and 22% in the playoffs. He was a huge sucking negative in O-RPM, down there with guys like MCW and Omer Asik.

Jimmy has had his struggles from deep too. Only 34% for his career and not all that comfortable still. Blake is far from reliable from deep and only takes a few. Al isn't elite. Even IT is more good than great shooting the ball from long-range - fluctuates between 35-38 (30 in the playoffs).

And then the bench is just a nightmare - not a single good shooter in the bunch.

Agree, totally. But if we sign Hayward instead of Griffin, then we have possibly just Horford as a real PF, and he is way more suited as C to today's NBA.

The only sensible scenario when trading for Butler makes a real sense for us is in the new season AFTER we sign Hayward or Griffin. #3, Bradley and Mickey works. #3, Crowder, Rozier and Mickey works too.

Then we are looking on a team like:
IT/Rozier
Butler/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/FA
Horford/Zizic

Looks better, but don't think this scenario is realistic at all. Chicago won't wait for us.

Yeah - these are reasons why I'm so lukewarm to cold to the various all-in scenarios.

Sure we can stack up some big names, but the fit starts to get very awkward and the risks very high. For example, we could go for the better shooter in PG, but he's a huge flight risk. Hayward is a good shooter but using the cap space on him forces us to look to the trade market for bigs, which is weak to non-existent. Griffin is a good fit positionally, but a meh defender and a huge injury risk.

Most likely play might be to sign Hayward and keep #3 to draft Jackson or Tatum (meh), and play a lot of 3 forwards on the wing (though that sort of squeezes out Marcus from a big role). Then hope the young guns show enough in bench roles to be desirable pieces along with future picks when/if a top 10 big man (basically just AD) shakes loose.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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Only way they have an offer is if Colangelo wants to do something like Okafor for Channing Frye.

[Zaschrona]

I think that team will likely have some major spacing issues. Jaylen is not a sure thing from 3 yet. He sandwiched his encouraging 34% during the RS with 29% in college and 22% in the playoffs. He was a huge sucking negative in O-RPM, down there with guys like MCW and Omer Asik.

Jimmy has had his struggles from deep too. Only 34% for his career and not all that comfortable still. Blake is far from reliable from deep and only takes a few. Al isn't elite. Even IT is more good than great shooting the ball from long-range - fluctuates between 35-38 (30 in the playoffs).

And then the bench is just a nightmare - not a single good shooter in the bunch.

Agree, totally. But if we sign Hayward instead of Griffin, then we have possibly just Horford as a real PF, and he is way more suited as C to today's NBA.

The only sensible scenario when trading for Butler makes a real sense for us is in the new season AFTER we sign Hayward or Griffin. #3, Bradley and Mickey works. #3, Crowder, Rozier and Mickey works too.

Then we are looking on a team like:
IT/Rozier
Butler/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/FA
Horford/Zizic

Looks better, but don't think this scenario is realistic at all. Chicago won't wait for us.

Yeah - these are reasons why I'm so lukewarm to cold to the various all-in scenarios.

Sure we can stack up some big names, but the fit starts to get very awkward and the risks very high. For example, we could go for the better shooter in PG, but he's a huge flight risk. Hayward is a good shooter but using the cap space on him forces us to look to the trade market for bigs, which is weak to non-existent. Griffin is a good fit positionally, but a meh defender and a huge injury risk.

Most likely play might be to sign Hayward and keep #3 to draft Jackson or Tatum (meh), and play a lot of 3 forwards on the wing (though that sort of squeezes out Marcus from a big role). Then hope the young guns show enough in bench roles to be desirable pieces along with future picks when/if a top 10 big man (basically just AD) shakes loose.

I am in the same camp. Draft J-Jackson, then trade away D-Jackson, sign Griffin, room exception for Z-Bo. Or just swap Griffin for Hayward and we go ultimately small-ball with Crowder as PF.

IT/Rozier
AB/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Griffin/Randolph
Horford/Zizic
Give Jackson time to play in D-League and to work on his shooting.

[FuriousRiles]

Just saw this gem on the Bulls board:

I am hoping we finally get Boston to do a deal with us now that they have extra picks with there trade with the 76ers.
#3(fox), Zeller(salary filler) 2018 Nets pick 2018 Lakers pick For Butler

Why does everyone assume that because we have a war-chest of assets that we will do bad deals?

[Jakeopp]

Just saw this gem on the Bulls board:

I am hoping we finally get Boston to do a deal with us now that they have extra picks with there trade with the 76ers.
#3(fox), Zeller(salary filler) 2018 Nets pick 2018 Lakers pick For Butler

Why does everyone assume that because we have a war-chest of assets that we will do bad deals?

Yeah, we traded the #1 just so we could turn around and give everything we have for Jimmy Butler

[Jaqua92]

I'd do Zeller, #3, and Lakers pick for Butler in a heartbeat. JB as of now is better than whoever is #3, and established talent is better.

We still keep next years brooklyn pick which is likely a top 5.

If they won't do it without brooklyn pick, then forget it. But that trade offer without the brooklyn pick isn't that bad. We have our future 2 guard, will get our future big still, and will have a star in butler/a star FA for the next 4-7 years.

Actually, I'd take away the LA pick too

[KamikazeK]

Just saw this gem on the Bulls board:

I am hoping we finally get Boston to do a deal with us now that they have extra picks with there trade with the 76ers.
#3(fox), Zeller(salary filler) 2018 Nets pick 2018 Lakers pick For Butler

Why does everyone assume that because we have a war-chest of assets that we will do bad deals?

These people are delusional. They expect us to give up everything we got for the #1 pick AND the brooklyn 2018? Hell nah.