The case for Jonathan Isaac

[Instincts]

Hope Isaac is there at #6, but the closer we get to draft night the more I am doubting it...

So what makes Isaac still an intriguing specimen if you use him as a Pf or C? 6'11" and 7'1" wingspan is normal nowadays for a big man.

How many of them have that length combined with the footwork, ball skills, fluidity and range of a wing?

[jezzer45]

Suns have bender and chriss. Not sure how issac fits in. I would have thought fox would mesh well with booker because of his experience with monk.

Back to isaac. He is a analytics guy wet dream. I'm not sold on him but his advance stats are top 3 worthy so to get him at 6 would be a technical win.

[fendilim]

So what makes Isaac still an intriguing specimen if you use him as a Pf or C? 6'11" and 7'1" wingspan is normal nowadays for a big man.

He'd be a Shot-Blocking/3 Point shooting stretch 4 who would have more athleticism/size/length than the average Stretch 4 than we've seen. Yes, the NBA is churning out stretch 4's but not exactly with Issac's skill set. To me he'd be a mix of Rashard Lewis/Serge Ibaka but with better perimeter skills and higher IQ. He'd be able to exploit the slower bigs, and at the same time cover as much ground defensively with the ability to be a pretty good rim protector. He's the type of guy that fits anywhere and is pretty reliable due to what he provides.

If you want a high potential guy who at worst will be a decent starting two way player at his position he's one of those guys (IMO).

I think you are overrating him.

Isaac wouldn't have a better perimeter skill than Rashard. Rashard was a phenomenal scorer for the Sonics. He had a complete game, he can post up, drive, and create baskets for himself. Isaac has shown none of that except be a spotup shooter. Even Ibaka was able to create plays for himself.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

So what makes Isaac still an intriguing specimen if you use him as a Pf or C? 6'11" and 7'1" wingspan is normal nowadays for a big man.

He'd be a Shot-Blocking/3 Point shooting stretch 4 who would have more athleticism/size/length than the average Stretch 4 than we've seen. Yes, the NBA is churning out stretch 4's but not exactly with Issac's skill set. To me he'd be a mix of Rashard Lewis/Serge Ibaka but with better perimeter skills and higher IQ. He'd be able to exploit the slower bigs, and at the same time cover as much ground defensively with the ability to be a pretty good rim protector. He's the type of guy that fits anywhere and is pretty reliable due to what he provides.

If you want a high potential guy who at worst will be a decent starting two way player at his position he's one of those guys (IMO).

I think you are overrating him.

Isaac wouldn't have a better perimeter skill than Rashard. Rashard was a phenomenal scorer for the Sonics. He had a complete game, he can post up, drive, and create baskets for himself. Isaac has shown none of that except be a spotup shooter. Even Ibaka was able to create plays for himself.

Seems like people are oozing over potential which he has tons of.. Here's to hoping if he's outr pick at 6 he's more Giannis like than any other long athletic F who is offensively challenged.

[JF5]

So what makes Isaac still an intriguing specimen if you use him as a Pf or C? 6'11" and 7'1" wingspan is normal nowadays for a big man.

He'd be a Shot-Blocking/3 Point shooting stretch 4 who would have more athleticism/size/length than the average Stretch 4 than we've seen. Yes, the NBA is churning out stretch 4's but not exactly with Issac's skill set. To me he'd be a mix of Rashard Lewis/Serge Ibaka but with better perimeter skills and higher IQ. He'd be able to exploit the slower bigs, and at the same time cover as much ground defensively with the ability to be a pretty good rim protector. He's the type of guy that fits anywhere and is pretty reliable due to what he provides.

If you want a high potential guy who at worst will be a decent starting two way player at his position he's one of those guys (IMO).

I think you are overrating him.

Isaac wouldn't have a better perimeter skill than Rashard. Rashard was a phenomenal scorer for the Sonics. He had a complete game, he can post up, drive, and create baskets for himself. Isaac has shown none of that except be a spotup shooter. Even Ibaka was able to create plays for himself.

Its based from what I've seen... Issac was playing in a system where he wasn't the primary option and played pretty well within a winning teams system in FSU. I don't think he'll be a breakdown/iso scorer but he'll do enough to get his own shot similar to Rashard did back in the day with the Sonics. Lewis didn't have a great handle or driving ability, but he did enough to where he could get his own shot on a consistent basis. Issac's background with being a perimeter player, I don't think it will be as difficult for him to create his own shot as the doubters claim.

[Nyce_1]

So what makes Isaac still an intriguing specimen if you use him as a Pf or C? 6'11" and 7'1" wingspan is normal nowadays for a big man.

He'd be a Shot-Blocking/3 Point shooting stretch 4 who would have more athleticism/size/length than the average Stretch 4 than we've seen. Yes, the NBA is churning out stretch 4's but not exactly with Issac's skill set. To me he'd be a mix of Rashard Lewis/Serge Ibaka but with better perimeter skills and higher IQ. He'd be able to exploit the slower bigs, and at the same time cover as much ground defensively with the ability to be a pretty good rim protector. He's the type of guy that fits anywhere and is pretty reliable due to what he provides.

If you want a high potential guy who at worst will be a decent starting two way player at his position he's one of those guys (IMO).

I think you are overrating him.

Isaac wouldn't have a better perimeter skill than Rashard. Rashard was a phenomenal scorer for the Sonics. He had a complete game, he can post up, drive, and create baskets for himself. Isaac has shown none of that except be a spotup shooter. Even Ibaka was able to create plays for himself.

Don't look at what Isaac is now, but what he can become. 'Shard and Ibaka were not very good early on; but, with coaching and hard work, they developed into what they became. Isaac is coming into the league with more skill than both of them. If he works hard, and Forcier/Vogel give him the tools & leash, he can be special.

[Jameerthefear]

He'd be a Shot-Blocking/3 Point shooting stretch 4 who would have more athleticism/size/length than the average Stretch 4 than we've seen. Yes, the NBA is churning out stretch 4's but not exactly with Issac's skill set. To me he'd be a mix of Rashard Lewis/Serge Ibaka but with better perimeter skills and higher IQ. He'd be able to exploit the slower bigs, and at the same time cover as much ground defensively with the ability to be a pretty good rim protector. He's the type of guy that fits anywhere and is pretty reliable due to what he provides.

If you want a high potential guy who at worst will be a decent starting two way player at his position he's one of those guys (IMO).

I think you are overrating him.

Isaac wouldn't have a better perimeter skill than Rashard. Rashard was a phenomenal scorer for the Sonics. He had a complete game, he can post up, drive, and create baskets for himself. Isaac has shown none of that except be a spotup shooter. Even Ibaka was able to create plays for himself.

Don't look at what Isaac is now, but what he can become. 'Shard and Ibaka were not very good early on; but, with coaching and hard work, they developed into what they became. Isaac is coming into the league with more skill than both of them. If he works hard, and Forcier/Vogel give him the tools & leash, he can be special.

Shard came straight out of highschool so there was always going to be an adjustment period for him. Usually when a player doesn't show the skills to do something in college they don't magically gain that ability in the NBA. I can't think of many players that were non creators in college but then turned into them in the NBA

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[pepe1991]

They were not 100% sure Jackson would reach them. They also brought Tatum in for 2 private workouts.

Tatum and Booker would probably need 3 balls to play on same team

Have you noticed the Golden State Warriors?

Have you noticed that every Warriors player can defend his position well and non of them were stat padding with 40 FGA at age of 21?

[Howard Mass]

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

[NBAchamps2017]

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

Tatum 'might' still be available at 6th if Suns and Kings select base on need.
1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson

4. Suns will pick Fox to team him with Booker who is actually a SG.
5. Kings desperately need a PG and DSJr. is the next best tier of PG.

6. MAGIC will not let Tatum slip past them.

[Skin]

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

I never believed Fox was Top 5 worthy. Even when that was starting to be a popular rumor after the tournament, I denied believing it. Still don't think he will be picked there.

The real shocker is that DSJ is not a Top 5 consensus after being there mostly all year. I had Jackson, Fultz and Smith as the draft's Top 3 prospects.

[Howard Mass]

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

Tatum 'might' still be available at 6th if Suns and Kings select base on need.
1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson

4. Suns will pick Fox to team him with Booker who is actually a SG.
5. Kings desperately need a PG and DSJr. is the next best tier of PG.

6. MAGIC will not let Tatum slip past them.

The Lakers might be closing in on Ball but I am not sure it is a done deal.

I would think The Celtics would pick Jackson but last year they surprised everyone by picking Jaylen Brown.

The Suns might pick Tatum, Issac or even someone else other than Fox.

Who knows what Sacramento will do.

I really think we are in for some surprises.

[Howard Mass]

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

I never believed Fox was Top 5 worthy. Even when that was starting to be a popular rumor after the tournament, I denied believing it. Still don't think he will be picked there.

The real shocker is that DSJ is not a Top 5 consensus after being there mostly all year. I had Jackson, Fultz and Smith as the draft's Top 3 prospects.

I really like Fox.

He'd be a nice pick but DJS is also an option.

Like I said, I think we are in for some surprises.

[Instincts]

Unfortunately this is the likely reality.

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

[DiplomaticMagic]

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

Jackson

[MartinsIzAfraud]

has anyone found film on Isaac's workouts.... only see the draft xpress one and those are somewhat blehh

[Def Swami]

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This is how I've felt. I don't believe you could set up both Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac for success by playing them together as forwards. One of them is going to be playing out of their better position. You take Isaac if you think he's the best player available, but it's not a great fit with Gordon.

[VFX]

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This is how I've felt. I don't believe you could set up both Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac for success by playing them together as forwards. One of them is going to be playing out of their better position. You take Isaac if you think he's the best player available, but it's not a great fit with Gordon.

This is the issue I have with it as well. I'm expecting trades, but it would have to be a splashy move to trade AG if we choose not to resign him.

Keeping both Isaac and AG is possible if we expect to have them on the floor at the same time. With that comes the question of "is this improving our biggest concern? Offense".

If neither of them work on the floor at the same time or Isaac is relinquished to playing bigger (pf/c) it's a waste of a pick. Bigs can be had later in the draft. Wings and guards are limited.

[OrlandoDream]

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This is how I've felt. I don't believe you could set up both Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac for success by playing them together as forwards. One of them is going to be playing out of their better position. You take Isaac if you think he's the best player available, but it's not a great fit with Gordon.

Isaac is 6'11 and does fit today's definition of a spread Center. Could C be his NBA position? Then we ship Vuc out for a wing ala Crowder.

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[arkknight1988]

I do like Issac but I've always maintained one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox or Tatum will be available at #6 and believe Issac will go earlier.

I like the optimism but I say 90% chance fultz ball Tatum Jackson and Fox go top 5.

I'll be happy with Isaac at 6 and take a chance on his potential while being disappointed we didn't tank harder for Tatum or Jackson who are better fits next to Gordon. Isaac will take time to develop but the payoff could be huge.