CSKA Moscow Offers Milos Teodosic Equal of NBA 5 Year $62.5 Million Contract

[UcanUwill]

thats right. you are no expert. europe is as competitive as its ever been. europe will never gain ground phisically. but skillwise you could argue its ahead of nba.

I dont think you could argue that at all... Euros got better tho, one skill they improved tremendously is off the dribble shooting. Back in the day with shorter 3 point line they were too much reliant on ball movement and spot up shooting. Now you see more ISO skills developing. Its a tradeoff, Europe got something from NBA, and obviously NBA got much more Euro-esque in the past 10 years, with more emphasis on team play and stretch bigmen and all that, small ball.

[Bankai]

Is it just some clubs in the Euroleague that doesent pay its players? Heard stories about that.

[Fico92]

Is it just some clubs in the Euroleague that doesent pay its players? Heard stories about that.

One of my best friends played all over Europe

He also played in Ukraine, had a dispute with the owner (who would come to practices with a gun on him..), and his salary was withheld for about 3 months, so he didn't play during those 3 months, finally they bought him out in cash, put him in a van to take him 5 hours to the airport. He said he was half expecting that they would stop the van in the middle of nowhere, take his envelope of cash, and ditch him lol.

Needless to say he was happy to go to France where at least you were guaranteed your salary.

[Mrakar]

I would love to see him sign with Pelicans, especialy if they resign holiday(he can play off ball guard).

Teodosic
Holiday
Hill
Davis
Cousins

He would be amazing with Davis and Cousins and i think this team is good enough on other side of ball to hide his defensive flaws.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

Is it just some clubs in the Euroleague that doesent pay its players? Heard stories about that.

Well if you play in Eastern Europe there's always a chance that your club will go bankrupt in the next 3 months so yeah Partizan, ex Euroleague champion with several F4 appearances and long NBA players history Divac, Danilovic, Krstic, Pekovic, Vesely... has players suing them for money from several seasons ago

[UcanUwill]

I would love to see him sign with Pelicans, especialy if they resign holiday(he can play off ball guard).

Teodosic
Holiday
Hill
Davis
Cousins

He would be amazing with Davis and Cousins and i think this team is good enough on other side of ball to hide his defensive flaws.

That would be amazing.

[Xherdan 23]

Has the Euroleague gotten a lot better competitively speaking compared to say, 10 years ago?

Not really.
In fact as time goes on it may get worse because a lot of young promising players move to the NBA without leaving a mark in Europe.

[Frank Dux]

From what I've heard (I don't really follow European basketball), this guy is one of the best players in Europe right now, getting paid $12 million a year, and you have average players like Mike Conley here getting $30 million a year. That's crazy to me.

Stop acting like it's crazy that someone from a vastly inferior league makes less than a reliable all star caliber guard who plays against the best athletes in the world on a nightly basis.

If Teodosic was on Conley's level he would get a max contract here too.

[Xherdan 23]

I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think so. The euroleague was quite good 10 years ago. In my opinion European basketball has plateued in general. Don't get me wrong, it is still a solid level of play, but I don't think that it is gaining ground on the NBA.

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Kind of surprising considering how there's almost limitless room for international talent growth.

We debated this in the past. Mirotic12 believes the level of competition is much better now. I personally dont think so. Euroleague 10-14 years ago already was pretty good, I dont think much changed. I Am talking specifically about Turkish airlines Euroleague. European club basketball in general tho got deeper and more competitive for sure. There are more teams now that can challenge Euroleague level in domestic competitions. Turkish league got much better, VTB league is great, Lithuanian league still has one powerhouse, but new competitive teams emerged. Heading to right direction I would say.

Speaking about Teodosic, I really want to see him in the NBA, and this is the year to get him. If he resigns with red army club, its over, he is never coming.

I agree there are more Euroleague level teams in the domestic leagues but the Euroleague itself didn't get better, maybe even worse.

David Blatt won a Euroleague title with a bunch of scrubs in'14 and it's not because he's a great coach.
10 years before that he was the assistant of the Euroleague winner.

Compare Šarūnas Jasikevičius/Nikola Vujčić/Anthony Parker/Maceo Baston to the likes of Ohayon/Smith/Hickman/Schortsanitis?
No more Dejan Bodiroga, Manu ginobili, Papaloukas.
Definitely no more Sabonis or Kukoc.

The Euroleague is still the second best league in the world but I feel it's not as good as it used to be.
Maybe it's just nostalgia.

[mixerball]

thats right. you are no expert. europe is as competitive as its ever been. europe will never gain ground phisically. but skillwise you could argue its ahead of nba.

I dont think you could argue that at all... Euros got better tho, one skill they improved tremendously is off the dribble shooting. Back in the day with shorter 3 point line they were too much reliant on ball movement and spot up shooting. Now you see more ISO skills developing. Its a tradeoff, Europe got something from NBA, and obviously NBA got much more Euro-esque in the past 10 years, with more emphasis on team play and stretch bigmen and all that, small ball.

i still think you could argue that. players that dont posses great athletic ability have to improve in other areas. meaning skills and team play

[Mirotic12]

Has the Euroleague gotten a lot better competitively speaking compared to say, 10 years ago?

Regardless of what some fans here are saying - yes, it is much better now. Every single major European coach has said on the record that the EuroLeague is by far the best it has ever been at the current time. They should without any doubt be the leading authority on that matter.

Wow this would be by far the highest amount of money paid for a player per year in the entire European basketball history. It's truly crazy. There is a good chance it's not true. He makes 3 million euros a year which one of the highest salaries in Europe.

Actually, it would not be the highest EuroLeague salary ever per year. Josh Childress made €6.7 million euros net per season when he was with Olympiacos. So his contract was actually 700,000 euros higher per season than this one being offered to Teodosic.

Worth to mention that official offer is 6 million Euros a year, not 12. Mirotic12 claims to know all the net, not net calculations, but I question his math. If its closer to 7 M dollars a year, NBA teams would be foolish not to match that.

Europhoops.net (EuroLeague's official media website) is the one that did the calculation, not me. Their calculation is actually quite low, as most other websites calculated it would be at least $68 million in NBA money.

Is it just some clubs in the Euroleague that doesent pay its players? Heard stories about that.

The top three leagues in Europe (EuroLeague, EuroCup, BCL) won't allow teams with debts to players, agents, or coaches to play in their league.

In other leagues, like domestic leagues, the big domestic leagues, like Italy, France, Greece, Turkey, Spain...in those leagues the teams get legally barred from signing any players ever again, as long as they owe money.

It's the poor teams in small domestic leagues, where some of this stuff goes on. But even then, it's late payments, and not "don't get paid", as US media claims. Because under European sports rule law, any team that refuses to pay is taken to court, and they end up paying being court mandated to pay all salaries owed, plus huge late penalties and court and lawyer costs also.

US media just simply says "Europe" or "European" to make it seem like all basketball clubs and leagues in Europe are the same, as if any and every basketball competition in North America was the NBA....it makes no sense, but that's how they report it.

An actual EuroLeague team (there are only 16 teams in EuroLeague) can't get away with not paying players. The notion is completely ridiculous.

A lot of it is manager's and agent's games also, and media sensationalism. Every single year some players are in the media claiming, "I never got paid in my team", then literally one to two weeks later the same player is signing a new 3 year contract with the same team that supposedly never paid him. These same players would have played in Europe for free for 5-6 years if we are to believe the BS posted in the media. No sane person would play for free for years on end, and always re-sign with the same club they always claimed has never paid them. A lot of it is a joke.

[WhateverBro]

Has the Euroleague gotten a lot better competitively speaking compared to say, 10 years ago?

I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think so. The euroleague was quite good 10 years ago. In my opinion European basketball has plateued in general. Don't get me wrong, it is still a solid level of play, but I don't think that it is gaining ground on the NBA.

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thats right. you are no expert. europe is as competitive as its ever been. europe will never gain ground phisically. but skillwise you could argue its ahead of nba.

No, you definitely couldn't argue that european basketball is ahead of the NBA skill-wise. It's not even close, actually.

This narrative that NBA players (predominantly black, of course) are only PHYSICALLY better than european (predominantly white, of course) players just reeks of racist undertones. NBA players are both more skilled and physically superior than players playing in europe.

[LakerLegend]

Here's the thing though.

The game has grown so much globally that even if the best players still go to the NBA, shouldn't the Euroleague still be improving compared to itself in the past?

[UcanUwill]

Here's the thing though.

The game has grown so much globally that even if the best players still go to the NBA, shouldn't the Euroleague still be improving compared to itself in the past?

Well, are we talking about Euroleague, or European leagues in general? I don't think top talent level improved much, but the depth definitely improved. Now far lesser known teams (non Euroleague) have far better talent on average, compared of what they had 15 years ago.
To compare a 10 year span, 10 years is not a lot. and people who say Euroleague improved tremendously in that short of span, I dont know, I find that to be wrong. We still have plenty of same players who played Euroleague 10 years ago, still playing there today. Some of them had their best seasons just recently, like Printezis or even Felipe Reys.

[LakerLegend]

Here's the thing though.

The game has grown so much globally that even if the best players still go to the NBA, shouldn't the Euroleague still be improving compared to itself in the past?

Well, are we talking about Euroleague, or European leagues in general?

Both I'd say. I think there's enough talent in the world given enough time for the sports popularity to grow that the money in Europe should make European basketball infinitely better over the long term.

The EU alone has a larger economy and population than the US.

I'm surprised there isn't a larger pipeline for recruiting talent from Africa.

[UcanUwill]

Here's the thing though.

The game has grown so much globally that even if the best players still go to the NBA, shouldn't the Euroleague still be improving compared to itself in the past?

Well, are we talking about Euroleague, or European leagues in general?

Both I'd say. I think there's enough talent in the world given enough time for the sports popularity to grow that the money in Europe should make European basketball infinitely better over the long term.

The EU alone has a larger economy and population than the US.

I'm surprised there isn't a larger pipeline for recruiting talent from Africa.

Europe is all about Football though. Basketball is D grade sport, in a lot of European countries, Basketball is more popular among women rather than men. And some countries that love basketball, Like Lithuania or Slovenia, are too small and too economically poor.

[baldur]

Kind of surprising considering how there's almost limitless room for international talent growth.

We debated this in the past. Mirotic12 believes the level of competition is much better now. I personally dont think so. Euroleague 10-14 years ago already was pretty good, I dont think much changed. I Am talking specifically about Turkish airlines Euroleague. European club basketball in general tho got deeper and more competitive for sure. There are more teams now that can challenge Euroleague level in domestic competitions. Turkish league got much better, VTB league is great, Lithuanian league still has one powerhouse, but new competitive teams emerged. Heading to right direction I would say.

Speaking about Teodosic, I really want to see him in the NBA, and this is the year to get him. If he resigns with red army club, its over, he is never coming.

I agree there are more Euroleague level teams in the domestic leagues but the Euroleague itself didn't get better, maybe even worse.

David Blatt won a Euroleague title with a bunch of scrubs in'14 and it's not because he's a great coach.
10 years before that he was the assistant of the Euroleague winner.

Compare Šarūnas Jasikevičius/Nikola Vujčić/Anthony Parker/Maceo Baston to the likes of Ohayon/Smith/Hickman/Schortsanitis?
No more Dejan Bodiroga, Manu ginobili, Papaloukas.
Definitely no more Sabonis or Kukoc.

The Euroleague is still the second best league in the world but I feel it's not as good as it used to be.
Maybe it's just nostalgia.

Maccabi won it miraculously, was a clear underdog, if it's not coaching, then what? Pure luck? One game elimination system helped them maybe but, it was also a coaching success. Let's not undermine him.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

This seems like a fitting time to point out that one of the best players in Europe, Spanoulis, was utter trash in the NBA.

Spanoulis is only good when he is number one guy on the court and he played like 30 games with 6 minutes average in NBA. You can't even say that he was an utter trash when he didn't even get a chance to show what he can do

Guys that don't know him HAVE to watch this video. That behind the back pass against USA when Bogdanovic couldn't hit a 3 Pass at 1:55 is still one of the best I've seen in a professional game

Watch on YouTube

ps I'm so glad that 2 of the best passers on this planet are from Serbia Too bad Teodosic can't play decent defense, he would've been a star in NBA. Right now I can see him as a decent starter (which isn't bad at all really)

That pass starting at 15 seconds

He did that quite a few times. 00:20

Watch on YouTube

[LakerLegend]

Unfortunately as great as his passing is he doesn't look near athletic enough to be a difference maker in the NBA.

[Xherdan 23]

We debated this in the past. Mirotic12 believes the level of competition is much better now. I personally dont think so. Euroleague 10-14 years ago already was pretty good, I dont think much changed. I Am talking specifically about Turkish airlines Euroleague. European club basketball in general tho got deeper and more competitive for sure. There are more teams now that can challenge Euroleague level in domestic competitions. Turkish league got much better, VTB league is great, Lithuanian league still has one powerhouse, but new competitive teams emerged. Heading to right direction I would say.

Speaking about Teodosic, I really want to see him in the NBA, and this is the year to get him. If he resigns with red army club, its over, he is never coming.

I agree there are more Euroleague level teams in the domestic leagues but the Euroleague itself didn't get better, maybe even worse.

David Blatt won a Euroleague title with a bunch of scrubs in'14 and it's not because he's a great coach.
10 years before that he was the assistant of the Euroleague winner.

Compare Šarūnas Jasikevičius/Nikola Vujčić/Anthony Parker/Maceo Baston to the likes of Ohayon/Smith/Hickman/Schortsanitis?
No more Dejan Bodiroga, Manu ginobili, Papaloukas.
Definitely no more Sabonis or Kukoc.

The Euroleague is still the second best league in the world but I feel it's not as good as it used to be.
Maybe it's just nostalgia.

Maccabi won it miraculously, was a clear underdog, if it's not coaching, then what? Pure luck? One game elimination system helped them maybe but, it was also a coaching success. Let's not undermine him.

Lots of luck and players coming up big in the final four.

Blatt is not a good head coach, never has been.
He's a great defensive coach and a GOAT level floor raiser but his offensive schemes are non existent and rely heavily on fast break points. In the half court there's no plan and his teams always go through one primary ball handler isolating and driving.

He's also awful at managing rotations and adjusting to opponents in game, and is always about 4 possessions too late when taking a timeout.

This isn't some new view, I've been watching his teams for over 20 years and even played in a game against them once and his flaws are obvious and were getting criticized by the media for more than a decade.