Markelle Fultz Discussion

[SavageBel]

Man, I'm looking forward to the future of our Sixers.

[LloydFree]

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I don't know why it's​ surprising. There is 20-25 games worth of game film from this past season that show he's not explosive. Not surprising his workout was less than impressive.

[CoreyGallagher]

How many PG's are actually considered explosive though? Westbrook, Wall, Bledsoe, who else? I'm not asking sarcastically, I'm truly curious so I can look at them and sort of compare.

[Sixerscan]

Did people that are taking Danny Ainge at his word start following the NBA 5 days ago? Im sure he also had Draymond Green ranked top 5 that draft he took Fab Melo like 5 spots before him.

[Unbreakable99]

Good ranking. This guy does a good writeup on his big board. I disagree with him having Fultz as the top prospect and having Jackson at 6 but he's at least reasonable in why he ranks them the way he does.

https://capstrategist.com/2017/06/20/2017-draft-big-board-tiers-1-and-2/

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[kriss73]

I don't know why it's​ surprising. There is 20-25 games worth of game film from this past season that show he's not explosive. Not surprising his workout was less than impressive.

This is for you Lloyd



http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19681478/most-likely-all-stars-starters-role-players-top-2017-nba-draft

Personally I don't completely disagree with this assessment. Fultz is a nice player/fit with us but he has a % of bust maybe higher than other prospects. It's a risk, but a calculated one.

[Chris76]

How many PG's are actually considered explosive though? Westbrook, Wall, Bledsoe, who else? I'm not asking sarcastically, I'm truly curious so I can look at them and sort of compare.

Fultz uses a hesitation move to get defenders off balance, Harden like. His wingspan allows him to get shots off thru contact and away from defenders. Not sure, that not using explosiveness is a problem, he is patient and waits till the right time to attack. Boston is going to regret letting this kid go.

[LloydFree]

I don't know why it's​ surprising. There is 20-25 games worth of game film from this past season that show he's not explosive. Not surprising his workout was less than impressive.

This is for you Lloyd



http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19681478/most-likely-all-stars-starters-role-players-top-2017-nba-draft

Personally I don't completely disagree with this assessment. Fultz is a nice player/fit with us but he has a % of bust maybe higher than other prospects. It's a risk, but a calculated one.

Oh, I don't think he'll be a complete bust. He's just not a star. He doesn't have an elite physical tool other than wingspan. His best attribute is he has a wider variety of skills than every other prospect, but he isn't elite at any one thing. The lack of physical tools will stand out from day one. But I don't think he'll look like a bust.

He landed in the perfect situation for him. He doesn't have anyone to compete with for time, and as long as Embiid and Simmons are healthy, the team will be good and he won't be a focal point for any failure.

[nitocobola]

good read about fultz

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/sports/markelle-fultz-ebony-nba-draft-2017/?utm_term=.be8afa98e6da

[HankTheTank]

Biting my tongue, hoping for the best with Fultz. All local and national media are lining up in praise of this move. Could they all be wrong? Hah!

Meanwhile, I've got 97.5 the fan on in the background. They are in full attack Covington mode. "He can't shoot." One of the three hosts says "but he's an elite defender." The other 2 scoff at that. "Pffft, he's not an elite defender! Dee analydicks are so stupid. Tipped balls, gimme a break."

These are the guys doing cartwheels over the Fultz move.

[CoreyGallagher]

Personally I don't completely disagree with this assessment. Fultz is a nice player/fit with us but he has a % of bust maybe higher than other prospects. It's a risk, but a calculated one.

In their analysis' of the players, they mention that Fultz assist% and block% was above average, but his shooting was worse than. They mention that Ball's shooting was exceptional, his efg% being the highest in their database dating back to 2001. Efg% adjusts 3 point shooting and 2 point shooting. Fultz and him shot the same % from deep with close to the same volume. The difference was their 2 point fg%.

Diving into that, Fultz did attempt too many mid range jump shots, but that's because he wasn't able to get to the rim as much by himself as perhaps fans expected him to have, attempted only 4.0 unassisted fga at the rim per 40 minutes (still twice as many as Ball did) and wasn't assisted much when he couldn't get there himself (17.4% of his shots were assisted at rim). Comparatively to Ball, just about every shot Lonzo took that was inside the arc was at the rim and he was assisted on 51.5% of his shots there (comp [as cited below] - Fultz 17.4%, Fox 19.6%, Smith 20.4%), when he wasn't being fed the ball he attempted only 2.1 unassisted attempts per 40.



Analytics do love Lonzo, he played exceptionally smart, but also his assisted % and unassisted attempts at rim are both glaringly noticeable outliers, especially for a PG. I think that's worth considering, which obviously a draft model can't consider.

[Unbreakable99]

I don't know why it's​ surprising. There is 20-25 games worth of game film from this past season that show he's not explosive. Not surprising his workout was less than impressive.

This is for you Lloyd



http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19681478/most-likely-all-stars-starters-role-players-top-2017-nba-draft

Personally I don't completely disagree with this assessment. Fultz is a nice player/fit with us but he has a % of bust maybe higher than other prospects. It's a risk, but a calculated one.

Oh, I don't think he'll be a complete bust. He's just not a star. He doesn't have an elite physical tool other than wingspan. His best attribute is he has a wider variety of skills than every other prospect, but he isn't elite at any one thing. The lack of physical tools will stand out from day one. But I don't think he'll look like a bust.

He landed in the perfect situation for him. He doesn't have anyone to compete with for time, and as long as Embiid and Simmons are healthy, the team will be good and he won't be a focal point for any failure.

If Fultz doesn't become a top 15 player hopefully he can at least become as good as a Brandon Roy level player or to a lesser extent Lavine. As long as Embiid and Simmons are stars it wouldn't be the worst thing to have Brandon Roy as the 3rd option. That's pretty good. I'll take that.

[HankTheTank]

I don't know why it's​ surprising. There is 20-25 games worth of game film from this past season that show he's not explosive. Not surprising his workout was less than impressive.

This is for you Lloyd



http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19681478/most-likely-all-stars-starters-role-players-top-2017-nba-draft

Personally I don't completely disagree with this assessment. Fultz is a nice player/fit with us but he has a % of bust maybe higher than other prospects. It's a risk, but a calculated one.

Oh, I don't think he'll be a complete bust. He's just not a star. He doesn't have an elite physical tool other than wingspan. His best attribute is he has a wider variety of skills than every other prospect, but he isn't elite at any one thing. The lack of physical tools will stand out from day one. But I don't think he'll look like a bust.

He landed in the perfect situation for him. He doesn't have anyone to compete with for time, and as long as Embiid and Simmons are healthy, the team will be good and he won't be a focal point for any failure.

This is a great take on the situation. A place where he could be 3rd option, not the focal point, is perfect for him.

Funny that after Boston worked him out-- for the second time I believe-- they finalized the trade. After he worked out for the Lakers, the team with the #2 pick mind you, it was conveniently leaked "Fultz crushed it. OMG Magic loves him!"

I want nothing more than to be wrong on Fultz. I hope he is the franchise player the experts say he is.

[JojoSlimbiid]

He didn't workout with Boston a second time.

[nitocobola]

According to the analytics of espn ingram>>>> ben simmons.


ESPN Analytics Specialists Sharon Katz and Paul Sabin looked at every player that entered into the 2016 NBA draft. Using many detailed equations, they found that based on college statistics, Brandon Ingram has the most upside of any player in the draft, with a 25% chance to be an NBA All-Star. This is higher than Ben Simmons, the consensus number one pick.

[cksdayoff]

Lonzo had shooters from top to bottom who stretched the floor.

Fultz was keyed in on every time down the floor. His teammates were an afterthought for defenses.

[nitocobola]

[JojoSlimbiid]

Agendas gonna agenda. Same people talking about ESPN analytics listing Fultz as having a high bust potential have been saying things like we already have two superstars not knowing that ESPN's analytics have a high bust rate on Simmons. So which is it? Are ESPN analytics the end all be all or is it a croc of ****? Probably the 3rd option we're gonna reference it when it comes to guys we don't like but when it comes to guys we do it's ummm...not that accurate

[LloydFree]

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19681478/most-likely-all-stars-starters-role-players-top-2017-nba-draft

Personally I don't completely disagree with this assessment. Fultz is a nice player/fit with us but he has a % of bust maybe higher than other prospects. It's a risk, but a calculated one.

Oh, I don't think he'll be a complete bust. He's just not a star. He doesn't have an elite physical tool other than wingspan. His best attribute is he has a wider variety of skills than every other prospect, but he isn't elite at any one thing. The lack of physical tools will stand out from day one. But I don't think he'll look like a bust.

He landed in the perfect situation for him. He doesn't have anyone to compete with for time, and as long as Embiid and Simmons are healthy, the team will be good and he won't be a focal point for any failure.

If Fultz doesn't become a top 15 player hopefully he can at least become as good as a Brandon Roy level player or to a lesser extent Lavine. As long as Embiid and Simmons are stars it wouldn't be the worst thing to have Brandon Roy as the 3rd option. That's pretty good. I'll take that.

He's not big and physical enough to be Brandon Roy. If his shooting improves I can see him being like CJ McCollum or a poor man's Bradley Beal in 2-3 years.

[shawn_hemp]

that face you make when you dont agree with the trade not because you dislike Fultz but because you dont think he was worth giving up a likely top-5 pick for when Boston probably wasnt going to draft him at 1 anyway and youve been slightly knocking Fultz all year for a variety of things that scream D'Angelo Russell to you but now that hes on the team and at the price of a "win-soon" mentality, to say anything contrary is just bad for your fandom but you dont know what else to do with your life and now youre in the conundrum of being right about a bad call and watching the team lose momentum as a result or being wrong and the team keeps getting better but you never get behind them like you normally would because you still would rather have had ____ at #3