2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[76ciology]

It makes little sense to me for the Lakers to trade him for the 10th pick in this draft; unless he's really the locker-room poison the Nick Young thing made him out to be. Like you if I was the Kings I'd take that deal in a second - Russell is somewhat proven, young and is more talented than anything you could get at 10 in this draft.

DLo's personality seems like a person who doesn't have the extra drive for success and is content with what he has. Not saying he wont improve

Yeah it seems if this rumour is true the Lakers aren't happy with him behind the scenes.

His personality has a lot of Brandon Jennings.

Atleast Okafor only likes racing cars and fights for his rights.

[Unbreakable99]

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[Jojothewhale]

I like Vecenie, but it's weird that D'angelo Russell is trade fodder when his shot hasn't translated in 2 years? As of late January, per Synergy, he had the single lowest PPP in the entire league with >10 PnR possessions per game (combined ball handler and roll man). He was phenomenal in the PnR in college. His game isn't translating at all. Now could it? Sure! But I wouldn't bet on it.

That doesn't mean I'd rather have Luke Kennard, don't get me wrong. But Ntilikina/Mitchell/Collins? Yeah, I would.

[Kolkmania]

I like Vecenie, but it's weird that D'angelo Russell is trade fodder when his shot hasn't translated in 2 years? As of late January, per Synergy, he had the single lowest PPP in the entire league with >10 PnR possessions per game (combined ball handler and roll man). He was phenomenal in the PnR in college. His game isn't translating at all. Now could it? Sure! But I wouldn't bet on it.

That doesn't mean I'd rather have Luke Kennard, don't get me wrong. But Ntilikina/Mitchell/Collins? Yeah, I would.

Devin Booker career eFG: .477%
De'Angelo Russell career eFG: .48%

Both shot the ball relatively poor in their first two season, Booker shot way more shots though, he's such a chucker.

Problem for Russell is that he's more of a SG than PG, he's not quick enough to create separation against 1's. Also he played in a situation where he had to create every shot by himself (and playing next to Kobe). Devin Booker played with capable point guards like Eric Bledsoe and Tyler Ulis.

I'd probably prefer Russell as well.

[Jojothewhale]

I like Vecenie, but it's weird that D'angelo Russell is trade fodder when his shot hasn't translated in 2 years? As of late January, per Synergy, he had the single lowest PPP in the entire league with >10 PnR possessions per game (combined ball handler and roll man). He was phenomenal in the PnR in college. His game isn't translating at all. Now could it? Sure! But I wouldn't bet on it.

That doesn't mean I'd rather have Luke Kennard, don't get me wrong. But Ntilikina/Mitchell/Collins? Yeah, I would.

Devin Booker career eFG: .477%
De'Angelo Russell career eFG: .48%

Both shot the ball relatively poor in their first two season, Booker shot way more shots though, he's such a chucker.

Problem for Russell is that he's more of a SG than PG, he's not quick enough to create separation against 1's. Also he played in a situation where he had to create every shot by himself (and playing next to Kobe). Devin Booker played with capable point guards like Eric Bledsoe and Tyler Ulis.

I'd probably prefer Russell as well.

Vecenie was comparing the two, not me. I was only speaking toward Russell having been terrible and therefore trade bait.

Russell's game translating is predicated in large part on his shot falling. After 2 years of a .507 and .518 TS%, it's been a real problem. In this case I used TS% over eFG to add Free Throw shooting since it's position neutral. The shot's not there.

[phiphan]

If you can coach out the 2-3 horrible shots Russell takes per game, his TS% would look a lot better.

[Kobblehead]

Lost in the shuffle of news, we had more prospects in for a workout yesterday (Frank Mason, Amile Jefferson. Derek Willis. James Blackmon, Jabari Bird and Marquise More)

Look at Frank Mason being the coach on the floor and leader that he is, drawing up plays.

[SparksFly87]

Okafor, Stauskus, James Anderson and 2 2nds for Russell.

We get our shooting guard .

[Kobblehead]

Today's batch of prospects we're working out:

- Kris Jenkins
- Kadeem Allen
- Youssoupha Fall
- Michael Ojo
- Michael Young
- Spencer Weisz

[SelfishPlayer]

DLo is a horrible basketball player. He's a casualty of the pick & roll.

[BigSleep333]

dont want dlo on this team, no matter how good of a theoretically fit he would be. he is a travesty on defense, doesnt shoot the ball well and istn a good playmaker. add in his character issues, i rather have hodor...i mean okafor, on this team.

[Negrodamus]

Mock drafts have Celtics taking Tatum. They're going to end up with possibly the best player in the draft and he fits their system. Good for them, I guess.

[PhilasFinest]

Russell has been in an AWFUL situation in LA.

Sure its a big market and historic franchise, but the rotation there has been just outright silly at times. He's played alongside ball dominant, score 1st guards like Kobe,Lou Williams and Jordan Clarkson. His role is up and down and they simply have not put him in a situation to develop properly.

[51X3RF4N]

We don't need D'Lo anymore. We have Kelle.

Work a 3 team deal that sends D'Lo to SAC, Okafor and 2nds to LAL, and #10 to Philly.

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[cksdayoff]

Today's batch of prospects we're working out:

- Kris Jenkins
- Kadeem Allen
- Youssoupha Fall
- Michael Ojo
- Michael Young
- Spencer Weisz

Kadeem Allen was a 24 year old senior who was close to his athletic prime being one of the best perimeter defenders in college. So I dunno what to make of him as a prospect

[Ericb5]

dont want dlo on this team, no matter how good of a theoretically fit he would be. he is a travesty on defense, doesnt shoot the ball well and istn a good playmaker. add in his character issues, i rather have hodor...i mean okafor, on this team.

He was a fit up to the point where we got Fultz. Now he is a poor man's version of someone that we already have.

You can't have two of those guys on the floor at the same time very much.


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[Kobblehead]

Kadeem Allen was a 24 year old senior who was close to his athletic prime being one of the best perimeter defenders in college. So I dunno what to make of him as a prospect

Hopefully they're angling for a summer league invite. He'd be a great addition to our summer program to put the pressure on Fultz and make him work as hard as possible. An iron sharpening iron type of situation.

[PhilasFinest]

Today's batch of prospects we're working out:

- Kris Jenkins
- Kadeem Allen
- Youssoupha Fall
- Michael Ojo
- Michael Young
- Spencer Weisz

Kadeem Allen was a 24 year old senior who was close to his athletic prime being one of the best perimeter defenders in college. So I dunno what to make of him as a prospect

I think he is what he is. You'd bring him in as a high energy, pesky perimeter defender and try to re-program his offensive mentality. Force him to just take ton's of 3 point shots in effort to try and develop him into a Pat Beverly like defense 1st combo guard.

Hes probably someone you'd target to add to the SL roster and maybe push into the 87ers system ala Shawn Long.We simply do not have the roster space to stash all of these development projects anymore.

[Arsenal]

The ship sailed on D'Lo once we traded up for Fultz. He no longer fits here. We need a tough defender to share the backcourt with Fultz, a guy who can defend either backcourt position and hit open 3's. That's not D'Lo.

Really hoping we can grab Sindarius Thornwell with one of our late 2nds. He has a chance to be that guy.

[PhilasFinest]

Man after looking over a lot of these "mocks", after like pick 14 you can pretty much just throw any name in the draft on the board and make some sense out of it. Not much separation in my eyes between a bunch of guys in that 15-40 range.

If we want an additional late 1st rounder, I think we could certainly get one using 2 seconds.