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Re: Drum+no.12 for parker and Maker 

Post#21 » by yanuary » Tue Jun 6, 2017 9:25 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Lakers don't give up Ball IMO.

If you wanna trade Dre to LA then you need to find assets other than Randle & Russell cause even with both coming back it's not enough considering we're taking Mozgov as well

1 asset (Randle) pays for taking Mozzie

Another asset (Russell) is all Dre is worth?

You must really value Russell.

And if we're taking Deng as well then Randle & Russell are nowhere near enough to blow the next 4 years on Mozgov & Deng

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:lol:

Drummond has negative value for Lakers with his unability to shot, pass and defense. With his contract (over105/4) he has huge negative value for Lakers.

And you want primary asset for him?

Also Lakers wouldnt use Randle just to dump Mozgov contract.
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Re: Drum+no.12 for parker and Maker 

Post#22 » by sfballa13 » Tue Jun 6, 2017 10:37 pm

yanuary wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Lakers don't give up Ball IMO.

If you wanna trade Dre to LA then you need to find assets other than Randle & Russell cause even with both coming back it's not enough considering we're taking Mozgov as well

1 asset (Randle) pays for taking Mozzie

Another asset (Russell) is all Dre is worth?

You must really value Russell.

And if we're taking Deng as well then Randle & Russell are nowhere near enough to blow the next 4 years on Mozgov & Deng

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:lol:

Drummond has negative value for Lakers with his unability to shot, pass and defense. With his contract (over105/4) he has huge negative value for Lakers.

And you want primary asset for him?

Also Lakers wouldnt use Randle just to dump Mozgov contract.


He said the same thing in the trade forum

Enjoy paying 35M+ for the two worst contracts for the NEXT THREE SEASONS

Im sure all the superstars will run to sign a deal knowing that Deng/Mozgov will prevent the Lakers from signing anyone productive for the next three seasons.

Mitch fcuked you guys for the next three seasons on the way out and you have a chance to rid your franchise of possibly the two worst signings in the past 10 years and you claim Drummond a young center signed to a deal just over Mozgov's idiotic contract is a negative asset.

George wont be coming to LA and if he does your team wont have the money to put players around him. No one is taking a veteran's minimum contract to go to the West where Golden State will rule for at least the next 5 years. ENJOY!!!!!!!!!
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Post#23 » by Pharaoh » Tue Jun 6, 2017 11:20 pm

yanuary wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Lakers don't give up Ball IMO.

If you wanna trade Dre to LA then you need to find assets other than Randle & Russell cause even with both coming back it's not enough considering we're taking Mozgov as well

1 asset (Randle) pays for taking Mozzie

Another asset (Russell) is all Dre is worth?

You must really value Russell.

And if we're taking Deng as well then Randle & Russell are nowhere near enough to blow the next 4 years on Mozgov & Deng

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Drummond has negative value for Lakers with his unability to shot, pass and defense. With his contract (over105/4) he has huge negative value for Lakers.

And you want primary asset for him?

Also Lakers wouldnt use Randle just to dump Mozgov contract.


Drummond has huge negative value?

Ok cool.

How about you keep Mozgov, Deng, Russell & Randle and we'll keep Drummond?

Sounds like a great idea considering Laker fans believe that Randle & Russell have tons of potential, aren't finished products and will continue to develop for years to come.

Unlike Drummond apparently, despite the fact he's young, has tons of potential, isn't a finished product and will continue to develop for years to come

One eyed fans annoy me something fierce

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Re: Drum+no.12 for parker and Maker 

Post#24 » by Alexander » Wed Jun 7, 2017 1:12 am

For a Lakers fan to outright dismiss him when they don't already have a stud C on the roster is foolish. About 80% of the league should be interested in Andre.
It's all relative, depending on age and whether a contract was signed before the salary cap boom, but it's a matter of fact that he does NOT have negative value. His salary is 14th highest in the league and he doesn't have to make a lot of adjustments to be a top 15 player.
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Re: Drum+no.12 for parker and Maker 

Post#25 » by coordinator0 » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:40 am

Alexander wrote:For a Lakers fan to outright dismiss him when they don't already have a stud C on the roster is foolish. About 80% of the league should be interested in Andre.
It's all relative, depending on age and whether a contract was signed before the salary cap boom, but it's a matter of fact that he does NOT have negative value. His salary is 14th highest in the league and he doesn't have to make a lot of adjustments to be a top 15 player.


Uh... hmm... :confused:

What's your definition of doesn't have to make a lot of adjustments?
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Post#26 » by Alexander » Wed Jun 7, 2017 2:57 am

coordinator0 wrote:
Alexander wrote:For a Lakers fan to outright dismiss him when they don't already have a stud C on the roster is foolish. About 80% of the league should be interested in Andre.
It's all relative, depending on age and whether a contract was signed before the salary cap boom, but it's a matter of fact that he does NOT have negative value. His salary is 14th highest in the league and he doesn't have to make a lot of adjustments to be a top 15 player.


Uh... hmm... :confused:

What's your definition of doesn't have to make a lot of adjustments?

He is one year removed from an All NBA slot, which *roughly* places him in the top 15.
His stats from this season are virtually identical to those from 15-16. Per 36 he's 16.5 pts/16.7 reb/1.3 blk/1.9 stl compared to 17.7/16.2/1.5/1.6. DeAndre Jordan, his closest analog, had 14.4/15.6/1.9/.7 per 36 this year (third team all NBA, All Star) and 13.6/14.7/2.5/.7 the year before (first team all NBA).
I saw the same games as you; I'm unhappy about the same things you are. They don't warrant a detailed breakdown while I'm typing on my phone. The eye test changed, the results in the W-L column changed, our happiness with Andre and the team from top to bottom changed alongside that.
He needs work, he needs a more defined role, he needs to give a **** more often, he needs to be in better shape, and yes, of course, free throws.
The things that make him a liability can be addressed and I'm not writing him off from making another All NBA team/matching or exceeding DeAndre Jordan's on court value/ever reaching another level. He's not far from DeAndre Jordan, he makes very similar money to DeAndre Jordan, and he can be better than DeAndre Jordan.
If he does make improvements he can contend for all star games and regular season honors, will belongs in the top 15 conversation again, and his contract is justified (and it will continue to be as other players cash in), and he's not with negative value, as this Lakers fan asserted.
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Post#27 » by El Chivo » Wed Jun 7, 2017 10:15 am

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Re: Drum+no.12 for parker and Maker 

Post#28 » by MotownMadness » Wed Jun 7, 2017 1:18 pm

Alexander wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:
Alexander wrote:For a Lakers fan to outright dismiss him when they don't already have a stud C on the roster is foolish. About 80% of the league should be interested in Andre.
It's all relative, depending on age and whether a contract was signed before the salary cap boom, but it's a matter of fact that he does NOT have negative value. His salary is 14th highest in the league and he doesn't have to make a lot of adjustments to be a top 15 player.


Uh... hmm... :confused:

What's your definition of doesn't have to make a lot of adjustments?

He is one year removed from an All NBA slot, which *roughly* places him in the top 15.
His stats from this season are virtually identical to those from 15-16. Per 36 he's 16.5 pts/16.7 reb/1.3 blk/1.9 stl compared to 17.7/16.2/1.5/1.6. DeAndre Jordan, his closest analog, had 14.4/15.6/1.9/.7 per 36 this year (third team all NBA, All Star) and 13.6/14.7/2.5/.7 the year before (first team all NBA).
I saw the same games as you; I'm unhappy about the same things you are. They don't warrant a detailed breakdown while I'm typing on my phone. The eye test changed, the results in the W-L column changed, our happiness with Andre and the team from top to bottom changed alongside that.
He needs work, he needs a more defined role, he needs to give a **** more often, he needs to be in better shape, and yes, of course, free throws.
The things that make him a liability can be addressed and I'm not writing him off from making another All NBA team/matching or exceeding DeAndre Jordan's on court value/ever reaching another level. He's not far from DeAndre Jordan, he makes very similar money to DeAndre Jordan, and he can be better than DeAndre Jordan.
If he does make improvements he can contend for all star games and regular season honors, will belongs in the top 15 conversation again, and his contract is justified (and it will continue to be as other players cash in), and he's not with negative value, as this Lakers fan asserted.

I think he can be salvaged. I mean he can literally make a impact just being a elite garbage man which lucky for him can be done with his limited skill set cause of he's huge. He's gotta stop thinking he's a offensive option and embrace what he is. DJ didn't really get good defensively until he was 25 so maybe as he matures he accepts his role more.
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Post#29 » by stylesofpunk » Thu Jun 8, 2017 7:38 pm

I was just brainstorming here

Det trades: Drummond/Jackson/#12
Det gets: Biyombo/Bledsoe/#1

Why: You trade Drummond along with Jackson. You get 2 cheaper contracts in Biyombo and Bledsoe along with moving up to get Fultz. A pairing of Fultz/Smith/Bledsoe for the backcourt is good. Even though me in particular like KCP you can move on from him in a S&T and get an asset back. You still have a frontcourt depth of Morris/Harris/Johnson/Leuer/Biyombo/Boban/Ellenson.

Bos trades: Zeller/Crowder/Bradley/#1
Boston gets: Drummond/Watson/#4

Why: They get an all star who might be more motivated being on a playoff contender in Drummond. They lose on Fultz but get someone like Tatum at 4 instead. Drummond/Horford with a mixture of Tatum/Brown/Thomas/Smart to round out your starting 5

Phx trades: #4/Bledsoe
Phx gets: Bradley/Crowder/#6

Why: Cost Controlled Crowder who is better on the books then Bledsoe and a round out starting 5 with Chandler/Crowder/Dudley/Booker/Knight with guys like Bender/#6/Len on the bench

Orl trades: #6/Biyombo/Watson
Orl gets: #12/Jackson/Zeller

Why: They not sold on Payton as the starter. So they drop down 6 spots in the draft and get Jackson along with a young guy in Zeller to replace Biyombo.
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Post#30 » by SAKURABA216 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:03 pm

Our team might be good enough on paper to win the 8th seed but they underperform and are dysfunctional so lets shake it all up and trade everyone.
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Re: Drum+no.12 for parker and Maker 

Post#31 » by roc » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:55 am

yanuary wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Lakers don't give up Ball IMO.

If you wanna trade Dre to LA then you need to find assets other than Randle & Russell cause even with both coming back it's not enough considering we're taking Mozgov as well

1 asset (Randle) pays for taking Mozzie

Another asset (Russell) is all Dre is worth?

You must really value Russell.

And if we're taking Deng as well then Randle & Russell are nowhere near enough to blow the next 4 years on Mozgov & Deng

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:lol:

Drummond has negative value for Lakers with his unability to shot, pass and defense. With his contract (over105/4) he has huge negative value for Lakers.

And you want primary asset for him?

Also Lakers wouldnt use Randle just to dump Mozgov contract.

You were wrong about primary asset but right about no Randle to dump Mozgov. They used Russell instead. :lol:
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