Phil can GTFO out now *** PJ willing to deal KP per Woj.

[god shammgod]

The exit meeting snub was a costly decision. Porzingis's favorite assistant coach, Josh Longstaff, lost his job and it could lead to Porzingis being exiled from New York, although the Knicks asking price may ultimately be too high.

"All I will tell you is that Kris has said that he knows that all the work he is putting in will pay off somewhere," Kristaps' brother, Janis, told the Daily News over the phone on Tuesday. "He is working out five hours a day. He looks good. But this other stuff all seems unnecessary."

Amen to that. Why go two months without communicating with your young star? Why let it get out that for the right price he's yours? It's an odd way of running a team. It is unnecessary.

Several people familiar with the Knicks' thinking believe the Knicks front office, in the wake of the Porzingis debacle, is scrambling to save face but more importantly to protect their jobs.

"The front office is in full survivor mode," said one team source. "The place is a mess so now they want to make it seem like the kid is the problem. Suddenly he's uncoachable. He won't listen. They're trying to put it all on him."

Whether you think the Knicks would be wise to trade their most valuable asset for unproven players in the draft isn't the point. Just the idea that Phil Jackson, who is 80-166 as team president, is considering trading Porzingis begs the question: do you have a plan, Phil, or is this just a plan to buy you more time until your next plan?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I'm getting a little tired of Janis and KP's spin. This situation was created by you guys, by blowing off the meeting, deliberately, and then not communicating with the team, at all. Sure, you might think the direction of the team sucks, but KP and Janis made the move to make the whole thing very public, by choice and tactic. Stop complaining about it. Which aren't even real complaints, but some sort of game they are running.

I'm not supporting Phil over them. Phil's been an ass. KP and Janis decided to match that, publicly. It sucks, but don't cry victim.

i hear you guys. but i look at it this way. the knicks themselves won't be entertaining on the court for years. so this is the only entertainment they'll offer. and since i'm addicted to this terrible franchise, i'll take it where i can get it. we may be suck on the court but we're the scandal champions. so with that being said, i want willy to demand kurt rambis be fired for his haircut. go on willy. join the fray. maybe bring an interpreter.

in all seriousness, i'm not sure of the end game. unless they're trying to get kp traded or get phil outed. who knows.

[bishnykfan]

The exit meeting snub was a costly decision. Porzingis's favorite assistant coach, Josh Longstaff, lost his job and it could lead to Porzingis being exiled from New York, although the Knicks asking price may ultimately be too high.

"All I will tell you is that Kris has said that he knows that all the work he is putting in will pay off somewhere," Kristaps' brother, Janis, told the Daily News over the phone on Tuesday. "He is working out five hours a day. He looks good. But this other stuff all seems unnecessary."

Amen to that. Why go two months without communicating with your young star? Why let it get out that for the right price he's yours? It's an odd way of running a team. It is unnecessary.

Several people familiar with the Knicks' thinking believe the Knicks front office, in the wake of the Porzingis debacle, is scrambling to save face but more importantly to protect their jobs.

"The front office is in full survivor mode," said one team source. "The place is a mess so now they want to make it seem like the kid is the problem. Suddenly he's uncoachable. He won't listen. They're trying to put it all on him."

Whether you think the Knicks would be wise to trade their most valuable asset for unproven players in the draft isn't the point. Just the idea that Phil Jackson, who is 80-166 as team president, is considering trading Porzingis begs the question: do you have a plan, Phil, or is this just a plan to buy you more time until your next plan?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I thought that it was KP not communicating with the NY front office, not returning texts or calls?

I also thought that Phil was trying to get fired...why is he "scrambling" to save a job he is trying to get fired from?

I don't see what Phil did today? Woj reported that other teams called to ask about KP and Phil asked for way to much. Isn't that a good thing? Didn't the leak come from the team that made the inquiry? I was out for a bit today but I never saw a Knicks source saying they were shopping KP, the report came from the other team(s)? I know Phil has not done a great job of assembling talent but to criticize him for anything that happened today seems like piling on by people out to get him.

[Billy Goat]

The exit meeting snub was a costly decision. Porzingis's favorite assistant coach, Josh Longstaff, lost his job and it could lead to Porzingis being exiled from New York, although the Knicks asking price may ultimately be too high.

"All I will tell you is that Kris has said that he knows that all the work he is putting in will pay off somewhere," Kristaps' brother, Janis, told the Daily News over the phone on Tuesday. "He is working out five hours a day. He looks good. But this other stuff all seems unnecessary."

Amen to that. Why go two months without communicating with your young star? Why let it get out that for the right price he's yours? It's an odd way of running a team. It is unnecessary.

Several people familiar with the Knicks' thinking believe the Knicks front office, in the wake of the Porzingis debacle, is scrambling to save face but more importantly to protect their jobs.

"The front office is in full survivor mode," said one team source. "The place is a mess so now they want to make it seem like the kid is the problem. Suddenly he's uncoachable. He won't listen. They're trying to put it all on him."

Whether you think the Knicks would be wise to trade their most valuable asset for unproven players in the draft isn't the point. Just the idea that Phil Jackson, who is 80-166 as team president, is considering trading Porzingis begs the question: do you have a plan, Phil, or is this just a plan to buy you more time until your next plan?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I thought that it was KP not communicating with the NY front office, not returning texts or calls?

I also thought that Phil was trying to get fired...why is he "scrambling" to save a job he is trying to get fired from?

I don't see what Phil did today? Wow reported that other teams called to ask about KP and Phil asked for way to much. Isn't that a good thing? Didn't the leak come from the team that made the inquiry? I was out for a bit today but I never saw a Knicks source saying they were shopping KP, the report came from the other team(s)? I know Phil has not done a great job of assembling talent but to criticize him for anything that happened today seems like piling on by people out to get him.

Would it surprise you if the leaks were coming from Melo or KP's agent...or both? The play here is to get Dolan angry and fire Phil. Easiest way to do that is get a gullible fanbase in a frenzy over hypothetical trades for the golden boy "Unicorn." KP and Melo both want him out, which we already know.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Even if KP and his crew is wrong, knicks have to handle this better. Your dealing with a 21 year old and his brother. You have to be political about this. Knicks fo trying to teach life lessons that were outdated 20 years ago....this whole thing is so dumb and could have been avoided

[prolific96]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I thought that it was KP not communicating with the NY front office, not returning texts or calls?

I also thought that Phil was trying to get fired...why is he "scrambling" to save a job he is trying to get fired from?

I don't see what Phil did today? Wow reported that other teams called to ask about KP and Phil asked for way to much. Isn't that a good thing? Didn't the leak come from the team that made the inquiry? I was out for a bit today but I never saw a Knicks source saying they were shopping KP, the report came from the other team(s)? I know Phil has not done a great job of assembling talent but to criticize him for anything that happened today seems like piling on by people out to get him.

Would it surprise you if the leaks were coming from Melo or KP's agent...or both? The play here is to get Dolan angry and fire Phil. Easiest way to do that is get a gullible fanbase in a frenzy over hypothetical trades for the golden boy "Unicorn." KP and Melo both want him out, which we already know.

Doubt it. Phil gives the media plenty of ammunition to do that on his own.

[Billy Goat]

I thought that it was KP not communicating with the NY front office, not returning texts or calls?

I also thought that Phil was trying to get fired...why is he "scrambling" to save a job he is trying to get fired from?

I don't see what Phil did today? Wow reported that other teams called to ask about KP and Phil asked for way to much. Isn't that a good thing? Didn't the leak come from the team that made the inquiry? I was out for a bit today but I never saw a Knicks source saying they were shopping KP, the report came from the other team(s)? I know Phil has not done a great job of assembling talent but to criticize him for anything that happened today seems like piling on by people out to get him.

Would it surprise you if the leaks were coming from Melo or KP's agent...or both? The play here is to get Dolan angry and fire Phil. Easiest way to do that is get a gullible fanbase in a frenzy over hypothetical trades for the golden boy "Unicorn." KP and Melo both want him out, which we already know.

Doubt it. Phil gives the media plenty of ammunition to do that on his own.

Phil hasnt said all that much recently.

[Greenie]

KP has learned from Melo how to be an entitled child. Melo is a great offensive player but not a leader and not someone to be followed. (Well, that's how it seems to me).
Anyhow, I doubt Phil trades him but if he gets a huge offer, maybe this is the time to do it. KP has shown brilliance but also fragility.
Interesting times...

Melo was definitely all in KP's ear when they were both sitting out games towards the end of the season. Melo and KP with their hands over their mouths whispering. I have no doubt that Melo poisoned him with all his whiny BS because he's selfish. But Janis is supposed to be that wall that protects KP from stuff like that. Maybe Janis is a little star-struck himself? Obviously, just my opinion. But we'll see.

Has Jeff or Phil heard from KP yet?

[Billy Goat]

Even if KP and his crew is wrong, knicks have to handle this better. Your dealing with a 21 year old and his brother. You have to be political about this. Knicks fo trying to teach life lessons that were outdated 20 years ago....this whole thing is so dumb and could have been avoided

I mean how specifically have the Knicks wronged Porzingis? Over the triangle? Phil hasnt said anything publicly disparaging him that I recall.

[HEZI]

Even if KP and his crew is wrong, knicks have to handle this better. Your dealing with a 21 year old and his brother. You have to be political about this. Knicks fo trying to teach life lessons that were outdated 20 years ago....this whole thing is so dumb and could have been avoided

Would love to see them try to pull this stunt with Popovich. KP would have been traded already

[El Poochio]

Even if KP and his crew is wrong, knicks have to handle this better. Your dealing with a 21 year old and his brother. You have to be political about this. Knicks fo trying to teach life lessons that were outdated 20 years ago....this whole thing is so dumb and could have been avoided

I have no clue how such a rich organisation like Knicks can be this horrific PR wise, still perplexed about that statement they released after Oakley got banned

[HarthorneWingo]

The exit meeting snub was a costly decision. Porzingis's favorite assistant coach, Josh Longstaff, lost his job and it could lead to Porzingis being exiled from New York, although the Knicks asking price may ultimately be too high.

"All I will tell you is that Kris has said that he knows that all the work he is putting in will pay off somewhere," Kristaps' brother, Janis, told the Daily News over the phone on Tuesday. "He is working out five hours a day. He looks good. But this other stuff all seems unnecessary."

Amen to that. Why go two months without communicating with your young star? Why let it get out that for the right price he's yours? It's an odd way of running a team. It is unnecessary.

Several people familiar with the Knicks' thinking believe the Knicks front office, in the wake of the Porzingis debacle, is scrambling to save face but more importantly to protect their jobs.

"The front office is in full survivor mode," said one team source. "The place is a mess so now they want to make it seem like the kid is the problem. Suddenly he's uncoachable. He won't listen. They're trying to put it all on him."

Whether you think the Knicks would be wise to trade their most valuable asset for unproven players in the draft isn't the point. Just the idea that Phil Jackson, who is 80-166 as team president, is considering trading Porzingis begs the question: do you have a plan, Phil, or is this just a plan to buy you more time until your next plan?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I thought that it was KP not communicating with the NY front office, not returning texts or calls?

I also thought that Phil was trying to get fired...why is he "scrambling" to save a job he is trying to get fired from?

I don't see what Phil did today? Wow reported that other teams called to ask about KP and Phil asked for way to much. Isn't that a good thing? Didn't the leak come from the team that made the inquiry? I was out for a bit today but I never saw a Knicks source saying they were shopping KP, the report came from the other team(s)? I know Phil has not done a great job of assembling talent but to criticize him for anything that happened today seems like piling on by people out to get him.

You need to read shammgod's prior post. This is all just entertainment for him. So don't get all worked up about it. It's what he does.

But there is A LOT of piling on re Phil. The media, especially, has been beating that drum for a while.

[god shammgod]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I thought that it was KP not communicating with the NY front office, not returning texts or calls?

I also thought that Phil was trying to get fired...why is he "scrambling" to save a job he is trying to get fired from?

I don't see what Phil did today? Wow reported that other teams called to ask about KP and Phil asked for way to much. Isn't that a good thing? Didn't the leak come from the team that made the inquiry? I was out for a bit today but I never saw a Knicks source saying they were shopping KP, the report came from the other team(s)? I know Phil has not done a great job of assembling talent but to criticize him for anything that happened today seems like piling on by people out to get him.

Would it surprise you if the leaks were coming from Melo or KP's agent...or both? The play here is to get Dolan angry and fire Phil. Easiest way to do that is get a gullible fanbase in a frenzy over hypothetical trades for the golden boy "Unicorn." KP and Melo both want him out, which we already know.

i'll allow it

[HarthorneWingo]

KP has learned from Melo how to be an entitled child. Melo is a great offensive player but not a leader and not someone to be followed. (Well, that's how it seems to me).
Anyhow, I doubt Phil trades him but if he gets a huge offer, maybe this is the time to do it. KP has shown brilliance but also fragility.
Interesting times...

Melo was definitely all in KP's ear when they were both sitting out games towards the end of the season. Melo and KP with their hands over their mouths whispering. I have no doubt that Melo poisoned him with all his whiny BS because he's selfish. But Janis is supposed to be that wall that protects KP from stuff like that. Maybe Janis is a little star-struck himself? Obviously, just my opinion. But we'll see.

Has Jeff or Phil heard from KP yet?

Oh, there you are. I just wanted to see if you were around.

Besides, you know it's true. Can't trust that Melo. Right????

[bleedblue3303]

I say we help Boston get Butler. Gonna cost us big but the hell with it. Not looking at salary cap. so this may not make any sense but here goes.

Chicago get the number 3 and KP
Boston gets Butler and Melo
We get Salary, to match 2018 Brooklyn, 2018 Lakers, 2019 Memphis picks from Boston. That leaves us with 3 potential lotto picks in 2018 plus number 8 this year.

Plus we trade with portland and get 15 or 20 this year.

5 draft picks in the next 2 years. with potential 4 in the lottery

I keep screaming that' s a rebuild.

Hurts to lose KP but ya gotta give to get.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7n9yk4v

[thebuzzardman]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I'm getting a little tired of Janis and KP's spin. This situation was created by you guys, by blowing off the meeting, deliberately, and then not communicating with the team, at all. Sure, you might think the direction of the team sucks, but KP and Janis made the move to make the whole thing very public, by choice and tactic. Stop complaining about it. Which aren't even real complaints, but some sort of game they are running.

I'm not supporting Phil over them. Phil's been an ass. KP and Janis decided to match that, publicly. It sucks, but don't cry victim.

i hear you guys. but i look at it this way. the knicks themselves won't be entertaining on the court for years. so this is the only entertainment they'll offer. and since i'm addicted to this terrible franchise, i'll take it where i can get it. we may be suck on the court but we're the scandal champions. so with that being said, i want willy to demand kurt rambis be fired for his haircut. go on willy. join the fray. maybe bring an interpreter.

in all seriousness, i'm not sure of the end game. unless they're trying to get kp traded or get phil outed. who knows.

I hear you. Honestly, at first I thought the whole thing was KP was a little burnt and just skipped the interview, no biggie. But then they let the the thing fester, which is clearly deliberate, because now they are addressing it in some "media" special. So they know what a sh*tstorm it's been, but decided to sit on it because the WANT that. And whatever the reason for this, whether good - wanting the team run/built/managed a certain way, or bad - forcing Phil out (bad in approach), wanted to be traded, it's just a bad way to go about it. To me puts them on Phil's level, or worse, because it's a 2nd year player, future of the franchise or not. It comes across as entitled, or a little clueless or over calculated - something not good.

I was really psyched when we got KP, bashing on him for fun aside. Good hard working kid, seemingly solid head on his shoulders, talented, strong work ethic, built to take NYC. No entourage, no BS, good grounded family behind him. That's what was presented and seemed to be fact. Now there is this situation where Janis is trying to be Joe Superagent and KP comes across a bit like a smug entitled prick, with plenty of time to work on finely crafted workout videos, but not to put a rest to the rumors and BS. Suddenly, KP is like any other athlete and some of these attributes may not have been true. Who knows, maybe crafted as well.

Liking the Knicks is hard enough; this is taking the fun out of rooting for KP. Honestly, moves like this - your a 3rd year guy (not even). Now, there is no more "He'll develop" or "Wait until year 4...5". It's on. I expect full on, veteran level play and a complete game. Now. This year. Not "One day the post game will come" or "That handle...so good for 7'3", wait until it gets better" or "If he can just get the dribble drive a little better". F*ck that. This is the stance of a guy who assumes he's vet, a star and the entitlement to act a certain way. Well, with that comes the heat, from the fans and the papers. No more laying off "Nice KP". He's not.

[Greenie]

Melo was definitely all in KP's ear when they were both sitting out games towards the end of the season. Melo and KP with their hands over their mouths whispering. I have no doubt that Melo poisoned him with all his whiny BS because he's selfish. But Janis is supposed to be that wall that protects KP from stuff like that. Maybe Janis is a little star-struck himself? Obviously, just my opinion. But we'll see.

Has Jeff or Phil heard from KP yet?

Oh, there you are. I just wanted to see if you were around.

Besides, you know it's true. Can't trust that Melo. Right????

[knickstape4ever]

Irks me that people are hating on Phil for listening to offers on his players. Unless you're name is LeBron you shouldn't be considered untouchable. It never hurts to listen, and who knows maybe someone will make an outrageous offer that is too good to refuse (think Herschel Walker). TBH i'd probably trade KP to the Kings for #5, #10 and Hield/WCS. I dont like the way KP has handled his situation. As a young player, you should keep your head down. He's acting like a diva and he really hasn't done sh*t yet. He shouldn't have skipped his exit meeting and should be in contact with the team, it's immature if he's not. When you get drafted #4 you're usually going to a bad team, so some of this dysfunction should have been expected

[YaMomsEx]

The exit meeting snub was a costly decision. Porzingis's favorite assistant coach, Josh Longstaff, lost his job and it could lead to Porzingis being exiled from New York, although the Knicks asking price may ultimately be too high.

"All I will tell you is that Kris has said that he knows that all the work he is putting in will pay off somewhere," Kristaps' brother, Janis, told the Daily News over the phone on Tuesday. "He is working out five hours a day. He looks good. But this other stuff all seems unnecessary."

Amen to that. Why go two months without communicating with your young star? Why let it get out that for the right price he's yours? It's an odd way of running a team. It is unnecessary.

Several people familiar with the Knicks' thinking believe the Knicks front office, in the wake of the Porzingis debacle, is scrambling to save face but more importantly to protect their jobs.

"The front office is in full survivor mode," said one team source. "The place is a mess so now they want to make it seem like the kid is the problem. Suddenly he's uncoachable. He won't listen. They're trying to put it all on him."

Whether you think the Knicks would be wise to trade their most valuable asset for unproven players in the draft isn't the point. Just the idea that Phil Jackson, who is 80-166 as team president, is considering trading Porzingis begs the question: do you have a plan, Phil, or is this just a plan to buy you more time until your next plan?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-refusal-cold-war-killing-knicks-legacy-article-1.3263269

peace to the god janis

I'm getting a little tired of Janis and KP's spin. This situation was created by you guys, by blowing off the meeting, deliberately, and then not communicating with the team, at all. Sure, you might think the direction of the team sucks, but KP and Janis made the move to make the whole thing very public, by choice and tactic. Stop complaining about it. Which aren't even real complaints, but some sort of game they are running.

I'm not supporting Phil over them. Phil's been an ass. KP and Janis decided to match that, publicly. It sucks, but don't cry victim.

!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

KP has learned from Melo how to be an entitled child. Melo is a great offensive player but not a leader and not someone to be followed. (Well, that's how it seems to me).
Anyhow, I doubt Phil trades him but if he gets a huge offer, maybe this is the time to do it. KP has shown brilliance but also fragility.
Interesting times...

Stop the nonsense.
KP's behavior is on him. Melo has nothing to do with any of this. Why do posters keep holding on to this narrative that Melo is in KP's ear telling him to act a fool? To lighten the blow? Stop.

Melo is leading with his actions in this case. KP is young, impressionable and from a foreign land, so he's assuming acting like Melo is the proper NBA way.

I mean, KP was rocking Melo cornrows when he was 8 years old for f*cks sake. Of course he's influenced by him.

Melo is a very very very bad man.

[god shammgod]

I'm getting a little tired of Janis and KP's spin. This situation was created by you guys, by blowing off the meeting, deliberately, and then not communicating with the team, at all. Sure, you might think the direction of the team sucks, but KP and Janis made the move to make the whole thing very public, by choice and tactic. Stop complaining about it. Which aren't even real complaints, but some sort of game they are running.

I'm not supporting Phil over them. Phil's been an ass. KP and Janis decided to match that, publicly. It sucks, but don't cry victim.

i hear you guys. but i look at it this way. the knicks themselves won't be entertaining on the court for years. so this is the only entertainment they'll offer. and since i'm addicted to this terrible franchise, i'll take it where i can get it. we may be suck on the court but we're the scandal champions. so with that being said, i want willy to demand kurt rambis be fired for his haircut. go on willy. join the fray. maybe bring an interpreter.

in all seriousness, i'm not sure of the end game. unless they're trying to get kp traded or get phil outed. who knows.

I hear you. Honestly, at first I thought the whole thing was KP was a little burnt and just skipped the interview, no biggie. But then they let the the thing fester, which is clearly deliberate, because now they are addressing it in some "media" special. So they know what a sh*tstorm it's been, but decided to sit on it because the WANT that. And whatever the reason for this, whether good - wanting the team run/built/managed a certain way, or bad - forcing Phil out (bad in approach), wanted to be traded, it's just a bad way to go about it. To me puts them on Phil's level, or worse, because it's a 2nd year player, future of the franchise or not. It comes across as entitled, or a little clueless or over calculated - something not good.

I was really psyched when we got KP, bashing on him for fun aside. Good hard working kid, seemingly solid head on his shoulders, talented, strong work ethic, built to take NYC. No entourage, no BS, good grounded family behind him. That's what was presented and seemed to be fact. Now there is this situation where Janis is trying to be Joe Superagent and KP comes across a bit like a smug entitled prick, with plenty of time to work on finely crafted workout videos, but not to put a rest to the rumors and BS. Suddenly, KP is like any other athlete and some of these attributes may not have been true. Who knows, maybe crafted as well.

Liking the Knicks is hard enough; this is taking the fun out of rooting for KP. Honestly, moves like this - your a 3rd year guy (not even). Now, there is no more "He'll develop" or "Wait until year 4...5". It's on. I expect full on, veteran level play and a complete game. Now. This year. Not "One day the post game will come" or "That handle...so good for 7'3", wait until it gets better" or "If he can just get the dribble drive a little better". F*ck that. This is the stance of a guy who assumes he's vet, a star and the entitlement to act a certain way. Well, with that comes the heat, from the fans and the papers. No more laying off "Nice KP". He's not.

you made it a little too personal i think. he's just a kid. kids make mistakes. this is rather benign if you really think about it. he's throwing a little temper tantrum or whatever. if he plays well, who cares. if he doesn't, that will be the disappointment for me. not this. but i'm that way in general. i don't need to like a person to enjoy what they do. i can separate it. if he was a complete dick it wouldn't matter much to me. you invested yourself in believing that he's a nice kid, so now you're seeing another side and it disappoints you. that's what letting you down. i understand. but just focus on if he can back down someone he's a foot taller than next year. that's the important stuff. if he goes on to play well for years, nobody will barely remember this.