Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[nate33]

Would Brooklyn have interest in Gortat now that Lopez is gone? Tanking does them no good since Boston has their pick, so a win-now center on an affordable contract that expires in 2 years makes good sense. What would they give up for him?

[Ruzious]

Would Brooklyn have interest in Gortat now that Lopez is gone? Tanking does them no good since Boston has their pick, so a win-now center on an affordable contract that expires in 2 years makes good sense. What would they give up for him?

What an awful organization - though they won their trade with the Wiz and have hopes for Russell. What do they have to give us for Gortat - especially after giving up a pick in the Lopez/Russeell trade? We certainly don't want Mozgov.

Unfortunately, I don't see much possibility of the Wiz improving. They'll likely go status quo while other teams improve - so they probably value Gortat more than other teams do. I doubt he has much trade value at his age after what people consider a poor post-season.

[bsilver]

Would Brooklyn have interest in Gortat now that Lopez is gone? Tanking does them no good since Boston has their pick, so a win-now center on an affordable contract that expires in 2 years makes good sense. What would they give up for him?

Now that they have Russell maybe they don't want Jeremy Lin. He seems injury prone, but we do need a backup PG and he has a good offensive game.
But, they probably don't want to get older, and Lin has the potential to be a drawing card in NYC on a team desperate for attention.

[Dark Faze]

Hawks trying to sign and trade Millsap. Mahinmi + trash and a first probably gets it done. Two barries:

A. Ted is cheap
B. Maybe bad blood

Its an opportunity to add all-star talent while keeping our core players including Oubre though. Probably doesn't happen though.

[nuposse04]

Would Brooklyn have interest in Gortat now that Lopez is gone? Tanking does them no good since Boston has their pick, so a win-now center on an affordable contract that expires in 2 years makes good sense. What would they give up for him?

We could get Trevor Booker back... >.>

At least give us some roster balance that way.

[nate33]

Would Brooklyn have interest in Gortat now that Lopez is gone? Tanking does them no good since Boston has their pick, so a win-now center on an affordable contract that expires in 2 years makes good sense. What would they give up for him?

We could get Trevor Booker back... >.>

At least give us some roster balance that way.

I LIKE that idea. We save $4M a year, get younger, and balance the roster. We could probably get Brooklyn to throw in a 2nd round pick as well (and thereby please PIF) since Gortat is a legit starter and Booker is more of a 20 mpg backup.

[nate33]

Hawks trying to sign and trade Millsap. Mahinmi + trash and a first probably gets it done. Two barries:

A. Ted is cheap
B. Maybe bad blood

Its an opportunity to add all-star talent while keeping our core players including Oubre though. Probably doesn't happen though.

You are underestimating how bad Mahinmi's contract is. Perhaps expiring contracts and a first gets you Millsap, but not Mahinmi's albatross contract.

It does present an opportunity to vault us into contention (albeit, contention for the 3rd best team, not true contention). If we could trade Gortat and a 1st for Millsap, retain Porter, use the MLE on Collison, and if Mahinmi somehow stays healthy, we'd have a pretty incredible starting 5 with a quality 8-man rotation overall:

PG Wall/Collison
SG Beal/Collison
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Millsap/Morris
C Mahinmi/Morris

Ted would have to pay a significant luxtax to make it happen though.

[gambitx777]

Would Brooklyn have interest in Gortat now that Lopez is gone? Tanking does them no good since Boston has their pick, so a win-now center on an affordable contract that expires in 2 years makes good sense. What would they give up for him?

We could get Trevor Booker back... >.>

At least give us some roster balance that way.

I LIKE that idea. We save $4M a year, get younger, and balance the roster. We could probably get Brooklyn to throw in a 2nd round pick as well (and thereby please PIF) since Gortat is a legit starter and Booker is more of a 20 mpg backup.

Honestly I would offer them mahinmi and a 2019 first, for Booker , Hamilton and dinwiddie
Fills 3 needs ok on the bench dumps that deal and gets us a a mill or two of savings. They might bite on it honestly. If it's gortat. I'd still want Hamilton or dinwiddie in the deal. Just no first included.

[Dark Faze]

Hawks trying to sign and trade Millsap. Mahinmi + trash and a first probably gets it done. Two barries:

A. Ted is cheap
B. Maybe bad blood

Its an opportunity to add all-star talent while keeping our core players including Oubre though. Probably doesn't happen though.

You are underestimating how bad Mahinmi's contract is. Perhaps expiring contracts and a first gets you Millsap, but not Mahinmi's albatross contract.

It does present an opportunity to vault us into contention (albeit, contention for the 3rd best team, not true contention). If we could trade Gortat and a 1st for Millsap, retain Porter, use the MLE on Collison, and if Mahinmi somehow stays healthy, we'd have a pretty incredible starting 5 with a quality 8-man rotation overall:

PG Wall/Collison
SG Beal/Collison
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Millsap/Morris
C Mahinmi/Morris

Ted would have to pay a significant luxtax to make it happen though.

The team is going into tank hell. What do they care about a 15 million dollar a year contract at this point? The problem moreso is that two of such contracts might be pushing it since they just brought in Plumlee as well. But if it weren't for the Plumlee deal the Hawks would have had no problems taking on Mahinmi's deal, as again, is evidenced by the Plumlee move.

This is kind of what I might by an aggressive FO. When you wait too long and aren't ambitious opportunities dry up quickly.

[nate33]

The team is going into tank hell. What do they care about a 15 million dollar a year contract at this point?

Opportunity cost. By absorbing Mahinmi, they lose out on the possibility of absorbing some other bad contract from another team in exchange for picks.

The bottom line is that they'd be better off just letting Millsap walk than they would be by trading Millsap for Mahinmi and a late 1st round pick.

Maybe a 3-way deal can be engineered to make things better for everyone. If Atlanta wants to tank, they don't really want Gortat, so:

Washington trades: Gortat, 2018 first
Washington receives: Millsap

Brooklyn trades: TPE and a 2018 2nd round pick
Brooklyn receives: Gortat

Atlanta trades: Millsap
Atlanta recieves: TPE, Brooklyn 2018 2nd, Washington's 2018 1st.

[80sballboy]

Translation, either nobody wants him and we can't get fair value or we are still looking at possibilities of a deal.

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[Wizardspride]

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[nate33]

Translation, either nobody wants him and we can't get fair value or we are still looking at possibilities of a deal.

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I think it's fair to say that Gortat is moveable, but not necessarily being shopped.

There is no compelling need to get rid of him. I wouldn't be at all disappointed if he was the starting center next year if all we got were lowball offers. But among our starters, he is clearly the worst fit and the least likely to be in our long term plans. It would make more sense to trade him than anybody else.

[nate33]

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Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

[tkunit]

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Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Dark Faze]

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Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

I believe him. When you talk about the economics--Teds investment has already exploded from the figure he got the team at. It's why I always laugh about how stupid it is not to pay the tax. When you talk about a long term view, how many years realistically are you going to be paying the tax before you prove the roster can get it done or it can't? If it can get it done and you win, the increased revenue from being that caliber of team will help mitigate costs, if you're overpaying for a team for a few years that clearly can't get it done, everyone will be ready to blow it up anyway and you can go back to tanking and being a beneficiary of the revenue sharing in the CBA (think clippers).

The main thing is you don't really want to count yourself as a tax team just because you kept Bojan and maxed Otto. The time you pay the tax, ideally, is the time where you have all your star pieces in place and you're mixing and maxing roleplaying talent via trades. That way the FO can say okay the core is set, and we're paying the tax, you've got x tries until we hit the repeater tax and we gotta start considering whether its worth it. That countdown beginning too early is a bad idea.

[Rafael122]

This is where not having cap space sucks. Patrick Beverely is available for trade. The dude is making peanuts the next two years. But because of Mahinmi's contract, we simply can't absorb Pat's contract into our cap room. We'd have the backup PG situation figured out for the next 2 years.

[Illmatic12]

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I.e. Paul George or another similar superstar .. they ain't goin over the tax for Bojan that's for sure

[payitforward]

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Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

For "the right player" any team will go over the tax. It's a typical Ernie statement: meaningless.

He has a million of these. Any time you ask him how important it is to have a higher pick, he answers "Well, the higher the pick the more players you have to choose from."

Really? Thanks, Ernie -- that's very informative!

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Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

I believe him. When you talk about the economics--Teds investment has already exploded from the figure he got the team at. It's why I always laugh about how stupid it is not to pay the tax. When you talk about a long term view, how many years realistically are you going to be paying the tax before you prove the roster can get it done or it can't? If it can get it done and you win, the increased revenue from being that caliber of team will help mitigate costs, if you're overpaying for a team for a few years that clearly can't get it done, everyone will be ready to blow it up anyway and you can go back to tanking and being a beneficiary of the revenue sharing in the CBA (think clippers).

The main thing is you don't really want to count yourself as a tax team just because you kept Bojan and maxed Otto. The time you pay the tax, ideally, is the time where you have all your star pieces in place and you're mixing and maxing roleplaying talent via trades. That way the FO can say okay the core is set, and we're paying the tax, you've got x tries until we hit the repeater tax and we gotta start considering whether its worth it. That countdown beginning too early is a bad idea.

Uh huh.... & who would that "right player" be, in your opinion, who would put us in a position to contend seriously for a title next year?

Feel free to pick from any player in the league who there's any reason to think would be available.