2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[Frank Nova]

Mike Schmitz was on Nate Duncun's podcast saying that Fultz is on the same tier as a prospect as when Derrick Rose and John Wall came out. Does that seem insane to anyone else? Most over hyped prospect in 10+ years. Anyone want to take a pride bet with me on if Fultz ever makes an all star team?

I'm down.

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

[RiotPunch]

Updated Top-30:

1. Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington
2. Josh Jackson, SF, Kansas
3. Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke
4. Dennis Smith, PG, NC State
5. Jonathan Isaac, PF, Florida State
6. Zach Collins, C, Gonzaga
7. Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA
8. De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky
9. Malik Monk, SG, Kentucky
10. Donovan Mitchell, SG, Louisville
11. Frank Ntilikina, PG, Belgium
12. Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona
13. Harry Giles, C, Duke
14. Justin Patton, C, Creighton
15. Isaiah Hartenstein, C, Germany
16. Jonah Bolden, PF, Australia
17. Ike Anigbogu, C, UCLA
18. Derrick White, PG, Colorado
19. Luke Kennard, SG, Duke
20. T.J. Leaf, PF, UCLA
21. O.G. Anunoby, SF, Indiana
22. Frank Jackson, SG, Duke
23. Bam Adebayo, C, Kentucky
24. Justin Jackson, SF, North Carolina
25. John Collins, PF, Wake Forest
26. Josh Hart, SG, Villanova
27. Jordan Bell, PF, Oregon
28. Jarrett Allen, C, Texas
29. Tony Bradley, C, North Carolina
30. Anzejs Pasecniks, C, Spain

[M-C-G]

Mike Schmitz was on Nate Duncun's podcast saying that Fultz is on the same tier as a prospect as when Derrick Rose and John Wall came out. Does that seem insane to anyone else? Most over hyped prospect in 10+ years. Anyone want to take a pride bet with me on if Fultz ever makes an all star team?

I'm down.

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

I am admittedly not knowledgeable on Fultz, but if he is this good, why would the Celtics pass on him? And if he was that good, no matter how bad his team mates where, 9 wins? Strength of schedule was 66th in the nation, so there were winnable games. Just something about those two factors that gives me pause, maybe completely unwarranted, but maybe there is some Bo Callahan there.

[Lippo]

Mike Schmitz was on Nate Duncun's podcast saying that Fultz is on the same tier as a prospect as when Derrick Rose and John Wall came out. Does that seem insane to anyone else? Most over hyped prospect in 10+ years. Anyone want to take a pride bet with me on if Fultz ever makes an all star team?

I'm down.

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

Yeah, IT's great season screwed the Celtics, they should have went with Fultz as their PG of the future instead of committing to Isiah.

[M-C-G]

I'm down.

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

Yeah, IT's great season screwed the Celtics, they should have went with Fultz as their PG of the future instead of committing to Isiah.

IT has another year or two under contract...he isn't a reason that you pass on a "generational PG" though, that is what I don't get.

[emunney]

I'm down.

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

I am admittedly not knowledgeable on Fultz, but if he is this good, why would the Celtics pass on him? And if he was that good, no matter how bad his team mates where, 9 wins? Strength of schedule was 66th in the nation, so there were winnable games. Just something about those two factors that gives me pause, maybe completely unwarranted, but maybe there is some Bo Callahan there.

Think of it this way: they missed the tournament last year and then lost 2 first round picks and a 20 point scorer. Do you know what Anthony Davis' high school record was? Do you care?

[SirChurros]

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

I am admittedly not knowledgeable on Fultz, but if he is this good, why would the Celtics pass on him? And if he was that good, no matter how bad his team mates where, 9 wins? Strength of schedule was 66th in the nation, so there were winnable games. Just something about those two factors that gives me pause, maybe completely unwarranted, but maybe there is some Bo Callahan there.

Think of it this way: they missed the tournament last year and then lost 2 first round picks and a 20 point scorer. Do you know what Anthony Davis' high school record was? Do you care?

They also returned four, four-star recruits.

9-22 is really, really bad. They won two games in the Pac-12, a conference that was pretty abysmal.

I'm not saying it defines Fultz, but it certainly raises some questions as to how much of an impact he can make on his teammates.

[machu46]

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

Yeah, IT's great season screwed the Celtics, they should have went with Fultz as their PG of the future instead of committing to Isiah.

IT has another year or two under contract...he isn't a reason that you pass on a "generational PG" though, that is what I don't get.

It's not like Ainge is some amazing drafter. He just seems obsessed with compiling more and more assets IMO.

Fultz' floor is definitely not Lillard, but I think he's going to be a great player in the NBA. I personally think he's a better prospect than Simmons was last year.

[M-C-G]

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

I am admittedly not knowledgeable on Fultz, but if he is this good, why would the Celtics pass on him? And if he was that good, no matter how bad his team mates where, 9 wins? Strength of schedule was 66th in the nation, so there were winnable games. Just something about those two factors that gives me pause, maybe completely unwarranted, but maybe there is some Bo Callahan there.

Think of it this way: they missed the tournament last year and then lost 2 first round picks and a 20 point scorer. Do you know what Anthony Davis' high school record was? Do you care?

High School, no, not when a guy like Anthony Davis (or probably any player) was in the middle of a growth spurt and playing for a tiny high school in Chicago. If Anthony Davis would have committed to Washington or some comparable program, even devoid of two first round picks like Washington, my questions would stand though.

I've got no problem if that doesn't bother other people, I get it, but just something that make me wonder, more so when Boston decided to trade the pick.

[M-C-G]

Yeah, IT's great season screwed the Celtics, they should have went with Fultz as their PG of the future instead of committing to Isiah.

IT has another year or two under contract...he isn't a reason that you pass on a "generational PG" though, that is what I don't get.

It's not like Ainge is some amazing drafter. He just seems obsessed with compiling more and more assets IMO.

Fultz' floor is definitely not Lillard, but I think he's going to be a great player in the NBA. I personally think he's a better prospect than Simmons was last year.

Agree totally that Ainge isn't the end all be all, but even the worst drafting organization shouldn't miss a generational PG talent. But it happened with Chris Paul, so who knows, just gives me pause.

[M-C-G]

I'm going to bring this over from the T&T board, as we are somewhat linked to Giles by his agent if nothing else

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[Turk Nowitzki]

I keep forgetting about OG Onunoby. I haven't seen much about him at all throughout this whole process. Is he still hurt?

[Andre Roberstan]

Mike Schmitz was on Nate Duncun's podcast saying that Fultz is on the same tier as a prospect as when Derrick Rose and John Wall came out. Does that seem insane to anyone else? Most over hyped prospect in 10+ years. Anyone want to take a pride bet with me on if Fultz ever makes an all star team?

I'm down.

I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and make a bold prediction: His floor is Damian Lillard. He'll be an elite PG by the time he's approaching his prime years, probably sooner. The dude is a generational PG talent imho. He was absolutely phenomenal last year, no way is he "overhyped". I think everyone is so caught up with the idea this draft is very deep and the late hype train around DeAaron Fox and even the Lonzo Ball saga that ppl are forgetting there's a prospect head and shoulders above everyone in Markelle Fultz.

The last 4 guards to be taken #1 were Iverson, Rose, Irving and Wall. It's going to be beyond shocking if Fultz doesn't at least make an all-star team.

For a guard to be taken first, he's got to be stupidly good.

[freewhitemoon]

I keep forgetting about OG Onunoby. I haven't seen much about him at all throughout this whole process. Is he still hurt?

Yes, ACL injury from January IIRC. He's apparently not doing basketball activities till October/November, probably out most of rookie season

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

This pretty much describes Thon perfectly. Thon gets stronger and we put Henson down and there's no "toughness" issue on the team. Brogdon, Middleton, Giannis, Thon, Delly are about as tough as it gets at each of their positions.

I still think they could use some muscle at the 4

What about a guy like Cam Oliver in the second? Seems like there is a lot of untapped potential with a guy like him

like him a whole lot....also like Jordan Bell. But you'd have to grab Bell at 17, since he won't be there when the Bucks pick in the second round.

[Prez]

how is Ntilikina projected 15 now? they have to be hearing stuff because that seems silly to me

Kennard over him is hilarious imo

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

how is Ntilikina projected 15 now? they have to be hearing stuff because that seems silly to me

Kennard over him is hilarious imo

would be damn happy if he falls to the Bucks

[sdn40]

I'm going to bring this over from the T&T board, as we are somewhat linked to Giles by his agent if nothing else

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That would be my feedback - and don't even need to see the medicals
With all the talk about assets - how would he ever be one ?
If Jabari is damaged goods - what do you call this guy ?

[machu46]

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19693493/kevin-pelton-grade-mock-draft-2017-best-picks

Kevin Pelton's "A" grade mock (what he would do in each team's position):

1. Lonzo
2. Fultz
3. Isaac
4. Josh Jackson
5. Dennis Smith
6. Tatum
7. OG Anunoby
8. Fox
9. Monk
10. Zach Collins
11. Mitchell
12. Markkanen
13. Giles
14. Tyler Lydon
15. Hartenstein
16. Ntilikina
17. Josh Hart
18. Jawun Evans
19. TJ Leaf
20. Anigbogu
21. Bolden
22. John Collins
23. Semi Ojeleye
24. Kennard
25. Alec Peters
26. Aleksandar Vezenkov
27. Jarrett Allen
28. Ferguson
29. Jeremy Morgan, Northern Iowa
30. Caleb Swanigan

48. DJ Wilson

[buckboy]

Mike Schmitz was on Nate Duncun's podcast saying that Fultz is on the same tier as a prospect as when Derrick Rose and John Wall came out. Does that seem insane to anyone else? Most over hyped prospect in 10+ years. Anyone want to take a pride bet with me on if Fultz ever makes an all star team?

I don't want to take that bet with you, because there are some red flags with Fultz, maybe the biggest, if he is the guy some people think he is, why in the world would the Celtics pass on him? And extra high pick is nice, but that tells me, them even having discussions about trading the pick means they didn't value him much over other prospects in this draft.

Don't necessarily disagree, but drafting isn't exactly Ainge's strong suit. He's been pretty mediocre at it, and I think I'm being kind.

Edit: I see Machu beat me to it.