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Post#61 » by Princeinrevolt » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:13 pm

spaceballer wrote:Since you've followed him in LA, do you think DLo would fit into this humble, unselfish, high character, low-key publicity, hardworking, blue-collar, no nonsense, family first culture modeled after the Spurs (a third of the new hires that Sean Marks brought in with him have a Spurs background)? I'm hoping the change in culture can help him mature. But it is worrying that his issues persisted across two coaches so we can't just blame Byron Scott if he was like this under Luke Walton as well. Hopefully getting traded is a wakeup call and he grows up with a fresh start. He has a lot of promise.


Thanks for typing all of that! Very Informative since I'm thinking of also rooting for the Nets now that Russell is here.
And to answer your question (as a Lakers fan), I definitely think he can. Mostly after the circus that the Lakers were in the past two years. The fans never gave him a chance, and this trade is the best thing that happened to him in my opinion. I don't think his "immaturity" was a problem, he was always one of the hardest workers on our team, and the best player.

I also have a question, Do the Nets have good shooters on the roster? D'angelo on the Lakers had only one shooter (Nick Young), and the rest could not even hit open shots. If the nets do have shooters, I think it can help Russell's game immensely.
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Post#62 » by Princeinrevolt » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:14 pm

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Hank7 wrote:... i love that we got Lopez. He's solid and will bring maturity and leadership to our team (and we need that).

... i was never sold on Russell ... not because of talent, but because he is at this time, a selfish low IQ player with a bad attitude. Hopefully for the Nets, he'll mature under Atkinson. JLin should also be a + influence over him. Good luck.


Low IQ? Say what you want about his attitude. Calling him a low IQ player show you don't really understand what your'e watching.
How can someone with his lack of speed and athleticism have a low IQ? That's one of the main things he's got going for him, his feel and understanding of the game. Don't believe me, go ahead and listen to Zach Lowe's latest podcast.

There is a reason some of the best basketball minds in the business are so high on Russell, and it's not because of his athleticism.


Let me say this then ... I agree with Magic that he ain't got enough IQ to be a part of the Laker rebuild.


Magic Johnson "ain't got enough IQ to be a part of the Laker rebuild." Enough said.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#63 » by J_LA » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:22 pm

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Low IQ? Say what you want about his attitude. Calling him a low IQ player show you don't really understand what your'e watching.
How can someone with his lack of speed and athleticism have a low IQ? That's one of the main things he's got going for him, his feel and understanding of the game. Don't believe me, go ahead and listen to Zach Lowe's latest podcast.

There is a reason some of the best basketball minds in the business are so high on Russell, and it's not because of his athleticism.


Let me say this then ... I agree with Magic that he ain't got enough IQ to be a part of the Laker rebuild.


Magic Johnson "ain't got enough IQ to be a part of the Laker rebuild." Enough said.


Hahahaha.. The only smart thing Magic has done in his life has put smarter people around him. Which is NOT HARD at all to do.
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Post#64 » by qiantom » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:31 pm

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spaceballer wrote:Since you've followed him in LA, do you think DLo would fit into this humble, unselfish, high character, low-key publicity, hardworking, blue-collar, no nonsense, family first culture modeled after the Spurs (a third of the new hires that Sean Marks brought in with him have a Spurs background)? I'm hoping the change in culture can help him mature. But it is worrying that his issues persisted across two coaches so we can't just blame Byron Scott if he was like this under Luke Walton as well. Hopefully getting traded is a wakeup call and he grows up with a fresh start. He has a lot of promise.


Thanks for typing all of that! Very Informative since I'm thinking of also rooting for the Nets now that Russell is here.
And to answer your question (as a Lakers fan), I definitely think he can. Mostly after the circus that the Lakers were in the past two years. The fans never gave him a chance, and this trade is the best thing that happened to him in my opinion. I don't think his "immaturity" was a problem, he was always one of the hardest workers on our team, and the best player.

I also have a question, Do the Nets have good shooters on the roster? D'angelo on the Lakers had only one shooter (Nick Young), and the rest could not even hit open shots. If the nets do have shooters, I think it can help Russell's game immensely.


Of course not. We are hoping D'angelo would be a good shooter.

Seriously, the team was bottom five in the league in terms of 3p% although they shot a ton of threes. Nobody except for Quincy Acy shot over 40%. Hope it changes next season though with better roster and player improvement.
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Post#65 » by Rockice_24 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:42 pm

I saw a ton of iso from him and tough shots in most of his highlights. That game is not anything like we play here in BK so I am interested to see him in our system with our fast pace and ball movement.

Here's my question after taking a closer look at his game tape. Is he better at the 1 or the 2? I know he can play both but will be be better with the ball in his hands or moving off screens getting into scoring position?

I tend to think he might be best at the 2 compared to running the point and having Lin off the ball. Interested to see how we use him going forward.
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Post#66 » by Princeinrevolt » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:43 pm

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spaceballer wrote:Since you've followed him in LA, do you think DLo would fit into this humble, unselfish, high character, low-key publicity, hardworking, blue-collar, no nonsense, family first culture modeled after the Spurs (a third of the new hires that Sean Marks brought in with him have a Spurs background)? I'm hoping the change in culture can help him mature. But it is worrying that his issues persisted across two coaches so we can't just blame Byron Scott if he was like this under Luke Walton as well. Hopefully getting traded is a wakeup call and he grows up with a fresh start. He has a lot of promise.


Thanks for typing all of that! Very Informative since I'm thinking of also rooting for the Nets now that Russell is here.
And to answer your question (as a Lakers fan), I definitely think he can. Mostly after the circus that the Lakers were in the past two years. The fans never gave him a chance, and this trade is the best thing that happened to him in my opinion. I don't think his "immaturity" was a problem, he was always one of the hardest workers on our team, and the best player.

I also have a question, Do the Nets have good shooters on the roster? D'angelo on the Lakers had only one shooter (Nick Young), and the rest could not even hit open shots. If the nets do have shooters, I think it can help Russell's game immensely.


Of course not. We are hoping D'angelo would be a good shooter.

Seriously, the team was bottom five in the league in terms of 3p% although they shot a ton of threes. Nobody except for Quincy Acy shot over 40%. Hope it changes next season though with better roster and player improvement.

OMG Quincy Acy shoots threes??? lmao I did not know that.

Yeah I should of expected they didn't shoot threes well, but at least they are taking them which should count for something. Byron Scott hated threes even when we had some good shooters on the team.
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Post#67 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:47 pm

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J_LA wrote:Nets Fans, How's your coaching staff? Do you guys have faith in Atkinson.
I admit I didn't spend much time watching you guys last season but do you guys have any pieces with potential? Any Shooters?

Thanks


Kenny Atkinson walks on water, cleanses lepers, and turns tap water into finely aged wine. D'Angelo Russell is in great hands.


That's Great. I want this kid to be put in the best situation possible for him to reach his full potential. Go Nets!



All jokes aside, he is literally in the best place that he can be. This franchise within a year has gone from a mess to a positive culture environment that focuses on player development, hard work, competitiveness, and the front office actually gives a damn about the players as human beings, not just moveable parts. The coach is very patient and lets guys play through mistakes but he demands maximum effort. If you saw any of our games this season, despite our lack of talent we played teams tough and our system is one where D'Angelo is going to thrive in.
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Post#68 » by Princeinrevolt » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:51 pm

Rockice_24 wrote:I saw a ton of iso from him and tough shots in most of his highlights. That game is not anything like we play here in BK so I am interested to see him in our system with our fast pace and ball movement.

Here's my question after taking a closer look at his game tape. Is he better at the 1 or the 2? I know he can play both but will be be better with the ball in his hands or moving off screens getting into scoring position?

I tend to think he might be best at the 2 compared to running the point and having Lin off the ball. Interested to see how we use him going forward.


I'd rather have him at the 1, he has a significant size advantage over other point guards. His playmaking is very very good, but to capitalize on his playmaking he needs capable shooters around him. But he can also play very well at the 2 because he is a great cutter/off-ball mover and has very good spot up shooting. He plays both the roles of a point guard and a shooting guard in game, so I think he will fit well with J-Lin.
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Post#69 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:52 pm

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Netaman wrote:The body type isn't a match but he's got a little bit of Paul Pierce in his game. Minimal elevation on the 3 ball, able to get by people without explosive acceleration, mid range pull ups and floaters. Will be fun to see how his game develops under Atkinson.


BOOM.

This is exactly what I've thought about him even before we traded for him (but i have repeatedly said, if we do a salary dump deal with LA, he has to be included).

he is slow and methodical with long arms, like paul pierce. just shorter, with a mean pull up j. one of those hard jumpers that go in at a good clip but hammers the back end of the rim before going down

this kid can play.


As in, a legit starting 2?

Nets could use one. After all, they didn't HAVE a real full-time SG (no offense, Foye) the entire season


Russell should play the 2, Lin the 1, LeVert plays SF.
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Post#70 » by Rockice_24 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:01 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
DartboardT wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
BOOM.

This is exactly what I've thought about him even before we traded for him (but i have repeatedly said, if we do a salary dump deal with LA, he has to be included).

he is slow and methodical with long arms, like paul pierce. just shorter, with a mean pull up j. one of those hard jumpers that go in at a good clip but hammers the back end of the rim before going down

this kid can play.


As in, a legit starting 2?

Nets could use one. After all, they didn't HAVE a real full-time SG (no offense, Foye) the entire season


Russell should play the 2, Lin the 1, LeVert plays SF.


I think that's what we'll see at least next season.
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Post#71 » by J_LA » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:13 pm

Princeinrevolt wrote:
Rockice_24 wrote:I saw a ton of iso from him and tough shots in most of his highlights. That game is not anything like we play here in BK so I am interested to see him in our system with our fast pace and ball movement.

Here's my question after taking a closer look at his game tape. Is he better at the 1 or the 2? I know he can play both but will be be better with the ball in his hands or moving off screens getting into scoring position?

I tend to think he might be best at the 2 compared to running the point and having Lin off the ball. Interested to see how we use him going forward.


I'd rather have him at the 1, he has a significant size advantage over other point guards. His playmaking is very very good, but to capitalize on his playmaking he needs capable shooters around him. But he can also play very well at the 2 because he is a great cutter/off-ball mover and has very good spot up shooting. He plays both the roles of a point guard and a shooting guard in game, so I think he will fit well with J-Lin.


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Post#72 » by Paradise » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:19 pm

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Post#73 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:43 pm

J_LA wrote:This sucks. You guys officially got yourselves a young stud. Idgaf what anyone else says..Watched every single game this kid has played in since he was drafted. He has his down moments no doubt. There are times when his energy level and body language aren't great but I think you can attribute that to a couple things. First, the situation he was in was toxic. Second, he's 20 years old. I spend so much time watching other young players around the league and it's just part of growing pains. Towns, Porzingis, Booker, all of them have their up and down moments. Part of being young.

Make no mistake, the kid is going to be a star. He's also a gamer. We didn't have alot of meaningful games in the 2 seasons he played with us but every time we played on Espn or Tnt the kid raised his level of play. Go back and watch the last game he played in Phoenix against Booker on Tnt. He played that game with a chip on his shoulder and the only thing you take away from watching him that night is this kid is not doubt going to be a stud. That's just one game. There is also the Cavs game where he dropped 40 on Shump and J.R.

Whatever, now I'm rambling. Unfortunately I will have to pay for League pass now and I will probably be spending more time on your board. Congrats

All are welcome! We've had fans of players on this board in the past (e.g. Paul Pierce) and they've been great.
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Post#74 » by PKABOOICU » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:02 am

Laker fan here...

Sean Marks absolutely stole D'Lo away from Magic. He was my favorite player on the Lakers, and I whole heartedly think he's gonna be a stud. He has a lot of tools that are somewhat dated for today's NBA, but very effective.

The maturity thing is dumb. Every 20 year old is immature. You dont trade a 2nd pick due to immaturity, because THATS immature.

hes gonna be a stud for you..congrats, and Im now a fan of the Nets.

I hope he drops a triple double on the Lakers
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Post#75 » by J_LA » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:41 am

spaceballer wrote:
J_LA wrote:Nets Fans, How's your coaching staff? Do you guys have faith in Atkinson.
I admit I didn't spend much time watching you guys last season but do you guys have any pieces with potential? Any Shooters?

Thanks

Atkinson has been amazing. Nothing like Byron Scott, and I know Kenny will do a better job with DLo compared to Byron. Kenny Atkinson is the opposite of Byron Scott.

The coaches get the players to buy in by out-working them. You see Kenny on the floor sweating and playing together with the players in practice. He is up at 4am in the morning, peddling on his stationary bicycle while he reviews tape from the previous night's game displayed on a laptop lashed onto the handlebars of his exercise bike. He forms deep attachments to his players and keeps coaching keepsakes. Kenny is a humble hardworker who can be embarassed by the spotlight or praise, being very self-effacing and modest, but he has an extreme passion for basketball and is growing into a great headcoach. He admits that he is still learning as a new Headcoach and is focused on getting better, just like the players. When he made coaching mistakes, he publicly owned up to them.

His background is in player development, credited with helping JLin during Linsanity, adding a 3pt shot to Horford in Atlanta, developing Bazemore, Carroll, Teague, etc. Now that he is Headcoach, he has branched out and shown a good ability to create timeout plays, and most importantly have the trust of the players and get them to never quit or slack off even in a losing season.

The Nets culture is humble, hardworking, unselfish, hard-nosed effort no matter what the talent level. They play with ten times the intensity in order to try to use effort level to bridge the talent gap. No matter what the score, they will never ease off on the intensity and effort even late in a losing game.

In contrast to the previous Billy King era with publicity stunts and spectacles like "the blueprint" billboard ad opposite MSG, the new Markinson era is a humble low-key publicity approach adopted by the public relations guys that Sean Marks brought over from San Antonio. So it is a big market NYC team with a small market Spurs culture, organization, and approach focused on character and family. Instead of DLo sending inappropriate Nick Young infidelity tidbits, the Nets have the players' parents, siblings, wives, and 5yr old children travel on the team plane during roadtrips, and hire babysitters for their kids, arrange group dinners for the wives and girlfriends to support each other when the team is out of town, expanded the medical staff so that players can do rehab at home surrounded by family instead of trekking into the team facilities, and splurged on a million dollars worth of renovations just for a family lounge (complete with a kitchenette) so that wives, children, and family can be nearby during practice and games. And the Nets have a new kickass Brooklyn practice facility with a glass-walled panorama of the city skyline, as well as a rooftop players lounge.

Here is an article about Kenny getting up at 4am to review the previous night's game tape.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18848217/all-backfires-how-brooklyn-nets-rebuilding-nothing

All of the players Kenny develop speak highly of him. Here is an article on how tightly he bonds with JLin, one such player, including keeping a drawer full of coaching keepsakes.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2672061-linsanity-a-memory-nets-offering-second-act-for-jeremy-lin-and-kenny-atkinson

And here is a tribute video that a bunch of Lin fans made thanking Kenny Atkinson.


And here is a piece on the new family room.
https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/2/6/14511232/little-things-mean-a-lot-department-the-nets-family-lounge

And about family, spouses, children on the team plane as part of the road games. (Imagine how different the Lakers culture would be if Kobe's children or Swaggy's then fiancee Iggy or Clarkson's parents were on the team plane during roadgames to be a supportive and moderating influence. The Spurs culture that Marks is trying to import to NYC focuses on families.)
https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/3/7/14839958/flying-the-family-along-with-the-team

Here are some pictures of the new practice facility on the 8th floor, and rooftop lounge
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Believe it or not, this past season was the first season with the Nets fully in NYC. With the opening of the new HSS Training Center practice facility in Brooklyn, and the closing of the old one in New Jersey last summer, the Nets are actually now more "New York" than the Knicks. The Nets play in NYC (Barclay) and train in NYC(HSSTC) and live in NYC (players like to live near the practice facility, so when that shifted from Jersey to Brooklyn, so did the players. They went from 2 players in NYC to 13 players living in Brooklyn). The Knicks play in NYC, but don't train in NYC (their practice facility is out in Westchester).

The giant picture they recently installed to reinforce the focus on culture is not of accolades or individual achievements, not of a thrilling threepoint shot or game winner or dunk or block. It is of a bunch of teammates rushing to help someone fallen. Stressing teamwork pulling each other up, the tight-knit bond of the many reaching out to the one, willingness to do the dirty work and get on the ground, effort, and the humility that even a team leader needs to be helped up and trust in his teammates. The motto is even etched into the glass of the war room used by the FO and coaching staff in HSSTC (HSS stands for Hospital for Special Surgery, who co-brand the Nets training center, and have a special partnership with the Nets and is where some Nets team doctors moonlight. Kevin Durant traveled from OKC to NYC to be operated on by the Nets foot specialist).

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Sean Marks and Kenny Atkinson have done a phenomenal job turning the culture around from the Billy King era. The Markinson era looks bright so far.

Hopefully that gives you a short primer on some Nets info.

Since you've followed him in LA, do you think DLo would fit into this humble, unselfish, high character, low-key publicity, hardworking, blue-collar, no nonsense, family first culture modeled after the Spurs (a third of the new hires that Sean Marks brought in with him have a Spurs background)? I'm hoping the change in culture can help him mature. But it is worrying that his issues persisted across two coaches so we can't just blame Byron Scott if he was like this under Luke Walton as well. Hopefully getting traded is a wakeup call and he grows up with a fresh start. He has a lot of promise.


Dam Spaceballer.. I wasn't able to read and go through all this until now but this is some good ****. Very informative post. New facility is dope. Atkinson kind of reminds me of a more experienced/older Luke. And I had no idea LeVert could pass like that. Him and D'angelo should compliment each other well. Good stuff
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Post#76 » by Hank7 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:47 am

J_LA wrote:
Princeinrevolt wrote:
Hank7 wrote:
Let me say this then ... I agree with Magic that he ain't got enough IQ to be a part of the Laker rebuild.


Magic Johnson "ain't got enough IQ to be a part of the Laker rebuild." Enough said.


Hahahaha.. The only smart thing Magic has done in his life has put smarter people around him. Which is NOT HARD at all to do.


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Post#77 » by moonpie » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:12 am

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Thanks for such an informative post! Sounds like the infrastructure and culture are set up nicely. Should be interesting to follow in the coming years.
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Post#78 » by SubZero » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:52 am

My favorite player & the reason why I watched every Laker game the last two years.

it hurt to see him go, but i am glad cause he wasn't respected by a lot of fans, media bashed him, etc. It just wasn't a good situation in LA for him his first 2 yrs. I was optimistic that it would get better... but here we are now.

DLo is special, and i think right out the gate he will finally get to showcase what he is capable of. I love DLo's game

Usually hate when ppl are fans of 2 teams.... but i now consider myself a Nets fan cause of this move (maybe even more than a laker fan too tbh). Expect to see me post in here more.

Will be watching a lot of Nets games this year no doubt..

Can't wait for the season to start.
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Post#80 » by Paradise » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:14 am

This was just last week. :lol:




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