Woj: Paul George informs Pacers he plans to leave them in 2018 free agency, prefers Lakers.

[pacers33granger]

If the offers are unacceptable we simply don't trade him. Who cares if this drags on into the season as long as it magnifies the position the Pacers have been put in for all to see. It would hurt the league far more than the Pacers as the damage has already been inflicted. There is no reason to give in to the pressure.

Very true but the question is, starting at #4, assuming it goes Fultz/Ball/Tatum;

How much does IND value Jackson/Fox/Smith/Issac/Monk/Markenan/etc.?

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

I think we'd value all of those guys (outside of maybe Markenan, idk about his fit with Turner) given the circumstances. If it's a 4-10 pick as the best asset in deal versus Randle, then it's a no-brainer.

[Birdie]

If the offers are unacceptable we simply don't trade him. Who cares if this drags on into the season as long as it magnifies the position the Pacers have been put in for all to see. It would hurt the league far more than the Pacers as the damage has already been inflicted. There is no reason to give in to the pressure.

Very true but the question is, starting at #4, assuming it goes Fultz/Ball/Tatum;

How much does IND value Jackson/Fox/Smith/Issac/Monk/Markenan/etc.?

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

I think we'd value all of those guys (outside of maybe Markenan, idk about his fit with Turner) given the circumstances. If it's a 4-10 pick as the best asset in deal versus Randle, then it's a no-brainer.

Shhhh...you're gonna have a bunch of LAL fans try to "sell" you on Randle being the equivalent of a Top 5 pick in this years draft AND you guys get the pleasure of drafting not 1 but 2 diamonds in the rough at 27 & 28. Man, IDK how you guys could pass up such a SWEET deal.

[jbk1234]

If the offers are unacceptable we simply don't trade him. Who cares if this drags on into the season as long as it magnifies the position the Pacers have been put in for all to see. It would hurt the league far more than the Pacers as the damage has already been inflicted. There is no reason to give in to the pressure.

Very true but the question is, starting at #4, assuming it goes Fultz/Ball/Tatum;

How much does IND value Jackson/Fox/Smith/Issac/Monk/Markenan/etc.?

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

I think we'd value all of those guys (outside of maybe Markenan, idk about his fit with Turner) given the circumstances. If it's a 4-10 pick as the best asset in deal versus Randle, then it's a no-brainer.

Assuming the Suns were willing to put No. 4 on the table in a Love trade, I suspect that the Pacers are trying to leverage No. 2 out of the Lakers. The concern I have, again assuming these rumors are true, is what happens if everyone plays the waiting game and a player the Suns like falls to them because the Celtics select Tatum?

[Boneman2]

If the offers are unacceptable we simply don't trade him. Who cares if this drags on into the season as long as it magnifies the position the Pacers have been put in for all to see. It would hurt the league far more than the Pacers as the damage has already been inflicted. There is no reason to give in to the pressure.

Very true but the question is, starting at #4, assuming it goes Fultz/Ball/Tatum;

How much does IND value Jackson/Fox/Smith/Issac/Monk/Markenan/etc.?

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

It's hard to tell how much they value 4-10 range but I can say that acquiring one of Jackson, Fox, or Isaac is seemingly a good start.

[Birdie]

Very true but the question is, starting at #4, assuming it goes Fultz/Ball/Tatum;

How much does IND value Jackson/Fox/Smith/Issac/Monk/Markenan/etc.?

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

I think we'd value all of those guys (outside of maybe Markenan, idk about his fit with Turner) given the circumstances. If it's a 4-10 pick as the best asset in deal versus Randle, then it's a no-brainer.

Assuming the Suns were willing to put No. 4 on the table in a Love trade, I suspect that the Pacers are trying to leverage No. 2 out of the Lakers. The concern I have, again assuming these rumors are true, is what happens if everyone plays the waiting game and a player the Suns like falls to them because the Celtics select Tatum?

The PHO contingent puzzle me. On one hand, I've seen a few PHO posters poo-poo acquiring KLove yet then I see others, oh, we're interested in signing Paul Milsap to an albatross of a contract. And the only "need" I suppose PHO could address through the draft is the SF/wing position. So, Jackson/Tatum/Issac. They really don't need PG help. Chriss/Bender seem set at PF. And you got Chandler/Len at C. And SG is locked up by Booker. So in essence, your #4 pick isn't really coming in to play big minutes for the next 3-5 years cuz you're most likely having Warren in that spot holding it down after they pay him this summer.

So that's why I think PHO, by all accounts, just makes sense they'd be a partner with us when it comes to Love. It'd just be so much easier if Indy just did it straight up with us; Love + Frye for PG13 + Young. I'd be happy with that after it was all said and done. Personally, I think it's low value for Love but I think IND folk could say they're giving too much for just Love.

[Wizop]

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

so far it appears we've asked for the #2 and rejected #27 and/or #28. I doubt we're so in love with Ball that we wouldn't accept another high lottery pick. if the Lakers could move some assets to get such a pick, a three way would seem doable. that was the concept of the Lakers trying to trade down with the Kings and if someone else wants to take on that role, I think there's a deal to be done.

[Boneman2]

If Indy wanted Love the trade would have been agreed to by now. Maybe Pritch has been testing the Love market over the past few days and doesn't like the return, or maybe he does but not enough to agree to it this suddenly until no stones are left unturned. I've never hidden my interest when it comes to the Cavs as I prefer Kyrie. He could stay or Kevin could flip him, either way is fine.

[granger05]

It seems like a Love/PG swap is agreeable to the Cavs. I think it makes sense for them to be in win-now mode and after this year's finals getting some fresh blood makes sense. Kyrie is way too much, but Love seems about right. They seem like a team that could convince PG to stick around or even if he left that would likely be in conjunction with James leaving anyway and in that case I'm not sure still having Love on their books would matter much. They could just start over with Kyrie and be bad while their contracts come off the books. They've had luck with that before.

For the Pacers, I understand wanting to move Love to a 3rd team, but I wish they'd just take him if that offer is there and be done with it. We've never tanked and they don't seem to want to now. Love would be a good fit next to Turner and he'd rack up stats like he did in his Minny days. We could just add some athletes to run and let him whip outlet passes all game. I'm not saying this would be a winning formula, but it would drive up Love's value which I think is unfairly low as a 3rd wheel. We could flip him next offseason or at the trade deadline depending on how things are going.

[Birdie]

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

so far it appears we've asked for the #2 and rejected #27 and/or #28. I doubt we're so in love with Ball that we wouldn't accept another high lottery pick. if the Lakers could move some assets to get such a pick, a three way would seem doable. that was the concept of the Lakers trying to trade down with the Kings and if someone else wants to take on that role, I think there's a deal to be done.

Yea but I think LAL moving DRuss kind of sent up a red flag they want Ball to be their future PG. For me, it would be a crazy turn of events if they didn't draft him or didn't want him and his drama in the 1st place. I knew they would have to attach something to Mozzy or Deng in order to rid themselves of that ball n chain. It's was funny though to see some LAL posters think teams were just gonna eat Mozzy/Deng's salaries for free. Just laughable.

We're gonna see if Magic blinks and offers up #2 to IND in a move of desperation. It would be kind of a mind trick Pritchard would've pulled on the LAL as Sun, "oh, PG13's value is crap, you're lucky to get a 2nd rounder" and then come Thurs, "LAL trade #2 pick for PG13" IND drafts Josh Jackson, Lonzo Ball falls to #8 and LAL in essence prematurely traded for PG13 while also trading away their PG's of the future in the interim cuz they feared PG13 could have wandering eyes. That would be some fine karma I think IND folk would approve of for how this PG13 scenario has played out.

[8305]

If the offers are unacceptable we simply don't trade him. Who cares if this drags on into the season as long as it magnifies the position the Pacers have been put in for all to see. It would hurt the league far more than the Pacers as the damage has already been inflicted. There is no reason to give in to the pressure.

Very true but the question is, starting at #4, assuming it goes Fultz/Ball/Tatum;

How much does IND value Jackson/Fox/Smith/Issac/Monk/Markenan/etc.?

Not saying #4 is on the table but for argument's sake, some pick between 4-10 "could" be obtained by Pacers, do they like any of those 6 players and start the Turner/lotto pick rebuild next year? That's the million dollar question?

It's hard to tell how much they value 4-10 range but I can say that acquiring one of Jackson, Fox, or Isaac is seemingly a good start.

If its me Jackson, Fox or Isaac works fine. Maybe even expand to include Monk, Smith or Collins. I think the question is more how can the teams who would pull the trigger on taking PG and the apparent risk work you into that drafting range.

[pacers33granger]

Shhhh...you're gonna have a bunch of LAL fans try to "sell" you on Randle being the equivalent of a Top 5 pick in this years draft AND you guys get the pleasure of drafting not 1 but 2 diamonds in the rough at 27 & 28. Man, IDK how you guys could pass up such a SWEET deal.

Please don't bait. I know that's not your intention, but posts like this tend to start unnecessary arguments.

[Green_teamer]

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[lakerhater]

That makes me physically ill.

Is it possible despite how it impacts your health?

I wouldn't feel so nauseous if it did not feel so damn reasonable.

Amazing to think this (Klay for George) could have happened if GSW would have just said yes.

[Spens1]

Is it possible despite how it impacts your health?

I wouldn't feel so nauseous if it did not feel so damn reasonable.

Amazing to think this (Klay for George) could have happened if GSW would have just said yes.

why would you though. Klay himself isn't exactly a lot worse than George either way. Also Klay fits your playing style a lot more than George and you would have to commit money to George sooner than Klay.