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Post#1761 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:52 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
Knox wrote:So KP's Big Bro stirs all this crap up and we are biting on it

KP ignores the Franchise
KP's Bro leaks this nonsense about trading him
KP hates the Triangle from what I am gathering ----I believe with Melo's influence

I feel if Melo Bought into the Triangle we wouldn't be going through this. I feel Melo's negative influence was deliberate to sabotage the Knicks with one big F U before he leaves. I am really sick of Melo right now ...He is the leader of the team that didn't buy into the Triangle. IF he supports the Triangle then the rest would fall into place. I know we are sour at the Triangle offense but it has more championships under Phil then most. I think he deserves the chance to get everything in place before we make judgement due to his 11 championships. The Problem with NY as a fan base we are to impatient...Phil tells us what we needs to hear to keep the game going along. He is quietly putting us in a better position then the last few GM's ever did. I don't miss the old Isiah Thomas Days the Zach randolph marbury nonsense. The Jared Jeffries ridiculous contracts...etc.


Melo not buying into something? Who could have seen that coming.


Not phil
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Post#1762 » by Knox » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:56 pm

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Knox wrote:So KP's Big Bro stirs all this crap up and we are biting on it

KP ignores the Franchise
KP's Bro leaks this nonsense about trading him
KP hates the Triangle from what I am gathering ----I believe with Melo's influence

I feel if Melo Bought into the Triangle we wouldn't be going through this. I feel Melo's negative influence was deliberate to sabotage the Knicks with one big F U before he leaves. I am really sick of Melo right now ...He is the leader of the team that didn't buy into the Triangle. IF he supports the Triangle then the rest would fall into place. I know we are sour at the Triangle offense but it has more championships under Phil then most. I think he deserves the chance to get everything in place before we make judgement due to his 11 championships. The Problem with NY as a fan base we are to impatient...Phil tells us what we needs to hear to keep the game going along. He is quietly putting us in a better position then the last few GM's ever did. I don't miss the old Isiah Thomas Days the Zach randolph marbury nonsense. The Jared Jeffries ridiculous contracts...etc.


Melo not buying into something? Who could have seen that coming.


Not phil


He only helped develop some of the greatest players in the game by the way also knew how to rebound, play defense and pass.
One dimensional melo has the nerve to question him L-O-L
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Re: Phil can GTFO out now *** PJ willing to deal KP per Woj. 

Post#1763 » by NOOB77 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:57 pm

Knox wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
Knox wrote:So KP's Big Bro stirs all this crap up and we are biting on it

KP ignores the Franchise
KP's Bro leaks this nonsense about trading him
KP hates the Triangle from what I am gathering ----I believe with Melo's influence

I feel if Melo Bought into the Triangle we wouldn't be going through this. I feel Melo's negative influence was deliberate to sabotage the Knicks with one big F U before he leaves. I am really sick of Melo right now ...He is the leader of the team that didn't buy into the Triangle. IF he supports the Triangle then the rest would fall into place. I know we are sour at the Triangle offense but it has more championships under Phil then most. I think he deserves the chance to get everything in place before we make judgement due to his 11 championships. The Problem with NY as a fan base we are to impatient...Phil tells us what we needs to hear to keep the game going along. He is quietly putting us in a better position then the last few GM's ever did. I don't miss the old Isiah Thomas Days the Zach randolph marbury nonsense. The Jared Jeffries ridiculous contracts...etc.


Melo not buying into something? Who could have seen that coming.


it's amazing how Phil has become this great scapegoat for the Franchise all this while giving the real problems a free pass. I can't remember the last time we had cap space, picks and a young talented franchise player to build off of. We are usually in cap hell without our own draft picks to at least reap the rewards of our failures. All this fast moving trades left us with a 7th or 8th seed at best. We were never in contention to compete with the Warriors or Cavs. Even with Melo, KP and another asset we are light years from facing them or the Spurs. If Phil wants to rebuild ...let the man do his thing



Last time we had that was well just recently when we had Gallo and cap space. Traded Gallo for Melo and wasted the Cap Space on Amare and Chandler.
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Re: Phil can GTFO out now *** PJ willing to deal KP per Woj. 

Post#1764 » by Sark » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:58 pm

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It's certainly a combo of both. I'm sure the Knicks have been listening to offers but Melo and KP's camp are trying to get Dolan to fire Phil.



It's completely pointless to even try. Dolan is not firing Jackson. He has 2 years left on his contract, and then maybe Jackson will just retire. If KP really doesn't want to be here at that point, he can sign his QO, turn down about $70 million or more, and become a free agent. Until then it's absolutely pointless.



Of course Dolan has never let anyone go before there contracts have ran its course right.



He likes Phil Jackson because he deflects everyone away from himself. He publicly came out and supported him. It's just not happening.
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Post#1765 » by NOOB77 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:59 pm

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It's completely pointless to even try. Dolan is not firing Jackson. He has 2 years left on his contract, and then maybe Jackson will just retire. If KP really doesn't want to be here at that point, he can sign his QO, turn down about $70 million or more, and become a free agent. Until then it's absolutely pointless.



Of course Dolan has never let anyone go before there contracts have ran its course right.



He likes Phil Jackson because he deflects everyone away from himself. He publicly came out and supported him. It's just not happening.



Well will see another season like that last not only the losing I mean the clown show he put on off the court I think Phil will not make his last year.
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Post#1766 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:59 pm

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Melo not buying into something? Who could have seen that coming.


Not phil


He only helped develop some of the greatest players in the game by the way also knew how to rebound, play defense and pass.
One dimensional melo has the nerve to question him L-O-L


Phil is not the coach, and if he was he'd get exposed. Big time.
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Post#1767 » by Sark » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:00 pm

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Of course Dolan has never let anyone go before there contracts have ran its course right.



He likes Phil Jackson because he deflects everyone away from himself. He publicly came out and supported him. It's just not happening.



Well will see another season like that last not only the losing I mean the clown show he put on off the court I think Phil will not make his last year.



All that nonsense goes away when Melo is off the team.
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Post#1768 » by NOOB77 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:02 pm

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He likes Phil Jackson because he deflects everyone away from himself. He publicly came out and supported him. It's just not happening.



Well will see another season like that last not only the losing I mean the clown show he put on off the court I think Phil will not make his last year.



All that nonsense goes away when Melo is off the team.



Does it?? I don't think it will. KP is a bigger problem than Melo IMO.
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Post#1769 » by Knox » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:02 pm

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Knox wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
Melo not buying into something? Who could have seen that coming.


it's amazing how Phil has become this great scapegoat for the Franchise all this while giving the real problems a free pass. I can't remember the last time we had cap space, picks and a young talented franchise player to build off of. We are usually in cap hell without our own draft picks to at least reap the rewards of our failures. All this fast moving trades left us with a 7th or 8th seed at best. We were never in contention to compete with the Warriors or Cavs. Even with Melo, KP and another asset we are light years from facing them or the Spurs. If Phil wants to rebuild ...let the man do his thing



Last time we had that was well just recently when we had Gallo and cap space. Traded Gallo for Melo and wasted the Cap Space on Amare and Chandler.


I don't believe we had the draft pick and we had the terrible contracts....we had a bunch of clunky pieces that didn't fit into the system once we brought Melo. Knicks played better under Antoni with Jeremy Lin. As much as I hate Antoni he knew that Melo didn't fit his system and wanted to bring in Deron Williams. This is a big reason I am okay with finding players that fit our system vs the talent. Because every time we have tried to fit square pegs into a triangle cut out we receive no progress. Zach Randolph didn't fit the offensive scheme we had nor did Melo. This is why I am okay with Phil sticking to his offensive scheme and I am good with him looking for talent that fits the scheme he is trying to build.
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Post#1770 » by Knox » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:05 pm

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Not phil


He only helped develop some of the greatest players in the game by the way also knew how to rebound, play defense and pass.
One dimensional melo has the nerve to question him L-O-L


Phil is not the coach, and if he was he'd get exposed. Big time.


I honestly Believe Hornacek was brought in to establish a winning Culture while learning the Triangle. It's obvious he wasn't brought in for his Triangle Knowledge. But I will give you Hornacek had his issues with his players.

You can't expose greatness
I rather deal with a has been then a never was

There is a Big difference between the two
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Post#1771 » by NOOB77 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:05 pm

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it's amazing how Phil has become this great scapegoat for the Franchise all this while giving the real problems a free pass. I can't remember the last time we had cap space, picks and a young talented franchise player to build off of. We are usually in cap hell without our own draft picks to at least reap the rewards of our failures. All this fast moving trades left us with a 7th or 8th seed at best. We were never in contention to compete with the Warriors or Cavs. Even with Melo, KP and another asset we are light years from facing them or the Spurs. If Phil wants to rebuild ...let the man do his thing



Last time we had that was well just recently when we had Gallo and cap space. Traded Gallo for Melo and wasted the Cap Space on Amare and Chandler.


I don't believe we had the draft pick and we had the terrible contracts....we had a bunch of clunky pieces that didn't fit into the system once we brought Melo. Knicks played better under Antoni with Jeremy Lin. As much as I hate Antoni he knew that Melo didn't fit his system and wanted to bring in Deron Williams. This is a big reason I am okay with finding players that fit our system vs the talent. Because every time we have tried to fit square pegs into a triangle cut out we receive no progress. Zach Randolph didn't fit the offensive scheme we had nor did Melo. This is why I am okay with Phil sticking to his offensive scheme and I am good with him looking for talent that fits the scheme he is trying to build.



Sorry the Knicks may have been better for fans to watch during the Linsanity stuff but they did not preform better.

Deron Williams is straight garbage.

If Phil is gone in 2 years then the system is gone with him. Take BPA not best triangle guy if they are the same then great but odds are the triangle will not be here after 2 years should draft a prospect based on his fit to the current offense.

I am fine with Phil sticking to his offensive scheme as long as he sticks to it. He has flipped flopped too much and has lead to a number of issues.
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Post#1772 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:06 pm

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I don't think he is unless there is a monster offer. We're not shopping.

There is a strange overlap with Knicks and Spurs fans. We're all aspiring spurs fans that can't make the commitment but there's a reciprocal vein, I've noticed. Strange bedfellows. And we often seem beat you once a year for some reason.

Thank you for the insight, Cap'n. Should be a crazy and exciting next few days!


I responded to your post from my phone last night. Looks like I got your affiliations a little mixed up

Yeah - it's already been nuts! I am entertained.

It is all good. The Spurs knocked us out of the playoffs so much I just started to hate them. Then they stole LMA from us a few years back.. Ah, oh well.

That's weird that there's Knicks/Spurs fans. I remember the finals in the late 90s or early 00s, can't remember but I was bummed NYK couldn't pull it out.

Best of luck tomorrow!
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Post#1773 » by Knox » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:07 pm

I am fine with Phil sticking to his offensive scheme as long as he sticks to it. He has flipped flopped too much and has lead to a number of issues.



I can't argue with that I feel you on that point... I understand a lot of your points and I get it. The thing I was trying to stress is that we are overlooking the value of finding players that fit your system vs BPA.
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Post#1774 » by robillionaire » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:08 pm

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Well will see another season like that last not only the losing I mean the clown show he put on off the court I think Phil will not make his last year.



All that nonsense goes away when Melo is off the team.



Does it?? I don't think it will. KP is a bigger problem than Melo IMO.


Not really. KP isn't overpaid on his contract, doesn't have a no trade clause, and is still a good player. It would be easy to make a change if he was truly a problem. His value is sky high and teams would ring out phone off the hook begging to take him off our hands for fair value.
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Post#1775 » by Greenie » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:11 pm

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almost every comment on this pic is #firephil :lol:

It's beautiful


Proof how strong the Melo Nutriding is within the Knicks fanbase.

Even more proof that all Knick fans aren't blind dimwits.
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Post#1776 » by NOOB77 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:13 pm

robillionaire wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
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All that nonsense goes away when Melo is off the team.



Does it?? I don't think it will. KP is a bigger problem than Melo IMO.


Not really. KP isn't overpaid on his contract, doesn't have a no trade clause, and is still a good player. It would be easy to make a change if he was truly a problem. His value is sky high and teams would ring out phone off the hook begging to take him off our hands for fair value.



Phil will not be allowed to trade KP
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Post#1777 » by Greenie » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:13 pm

robillionaire wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
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All that nonsense goes away when Melo is off the team.



Does it?? I don't think it will. KP is a bigger problem than Melo IMO.


Not really. KP isn't overpaid on his contract, doesn't have a no trade clause, and is still a good player. It would be easy to make a change if he was truly a problem. His value is sky high and teams would ring out phone off the hook begging to take him off our hands for fair value.

Right...
Because fair value is what teams give for publicity disgruntled players.
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Post#1778 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:15 pm

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Yankeeknickfan wrote:It's beautiful


Proof how strong the Melo Nutriding is within the Knicks fanbase.

Even more proof that all Knick fans aren't blind dimwits.


No just the ones who still think Carmelo Anthony is worth getting excited over.
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Post#1779 » by Greenie » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:19 pm

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Proof how strong the Melo Nutriding is within the Knicks fanbase.

Even more proof that all Knick fans aren't blind dimwits.


No just the ones who still think Carmelo Anthony is worth getting excited over.

No, just the ones that understand that Melo is one player. Just the ones that understand it starts from the top. Just the ones that understand we were better without Phil. Just the ones that rather let the coach actually coach. Just those that don't hate Melo because he's not LeBron. Just those fans.
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Post#1780 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:21 pm

Greenie wrote:
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Greenie wrote:Even more proof that all Knick fans aren't blind dimwits.


No just the ones who still think Carmelo Anthony is worth getting excited over.

No, just the ones that understand that Melo is one player. Just the ones that understand it starts from the top. Just the ones that understand we were better without Phil. Just the ones that rather let the coach actually coach. Just those that don't hate Melo because he's not LeBron. Just those fans.


Yeah it starts at the top within the player structure too and Melo's been on the top of that and the team has sucked. Bye Melo. :D

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