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Re: Bulls are the front runner to sign Milos Teodosic 

Post#201 » by TeK » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:33 am

League Circles wrote:This just works:

5: Lopez, Felicio, #16
4: Niko, Portis
3: Butler, room MLE, Zipser
2: Teodosic, Wade, Valentine
1: Rondo, Grant, Canaan, Pain


First off, Niko needs to leave. He needs a change of scenery. He will be addition by subtraction.

I don't think we should be looking C at 16. SG or SF who can shoot 3s is what we need here.

Teo would not play SG. Give the keys to Butler and put him back at his position. Wade off the bench.

Teo would be backing up Rondo and would eventually hopefully start.

Grant and Canaan need to be playing for Hoffman Estates.
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Post#202 » by Chi » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:38 am

EuropeanBball wrote:First of all, my english is not best so you should be prepared for many mistakes in my mesaages.

Im shocked how many guys here are saying "we dont want him, he is trash, bla bla..." and none of you watched more than 2 games of Teodosic. Atleast, you can google "Teodosic", watch some videos/highlights before making comments about player you never heard about.

Also, im laughing because many of you are wrotting things like "Mirotic was best player in Europe"...LOL. Someone lied you hard, im not gonna comment anything about that.

Also, one correction to user "Mirotic12" - Teodosic never had problems with coaches during career, i dont know where you heard that? Actually, his coaches (Ivkovic & Itoudis) always talk about him in very positive way.

About chocking part - its same story with LeBron and choking. When you are best player on the team its normal to took important shoots...sometimes you miss, sometimes not. So if you are considering LeBron as choker... Teodosic being biggest choker in European bball history - that is BS. Sorry Mirotic12, but that is BS.

Now something about his game:
Teodosic is PnR specialist, he is maestro of pick n roll game. He is very very good 3point shooter - maybe 38% in career arent looking impresive, but he is shooting often from hard positions, contested shots, and he is shooting large number of 3s (this year 7per game). NBA range shouldnt be a problem, he is often 1 meter behind 3pts line when shooting. Passing...well, many people are saying that he is best passer in the world. Even this guy... yeah, looks familiar? I dont like making comparisons like this, but he is definitelly top3 passer in the world. If Chicago sign Teodosic they will have floor leader who is capable of doing about anything on offensive end.

Defense is another story...he is VERY bad defender,but he also look like he dont want to play defense. In crucial games, he improve his defensive attitude and plays D much better, but its still bad. In right system, he could be hidden in defense, but im not sure that Bulls are that right system.

He also spoke few months ago that he would like to play in Utah or San Antonio among NBA teams...and probably those teams are best fit for him. According to reports from media, Utah is interested in signing him, but again, thats just media reports, nothing official. Other teams beside Bulls & Jazz that is interested (acc to reports from media) are Nets, Heat, Kings. Nets arent interested after aquiring Rusell, thats sure.

He is better than every PG on Bulls roster, including Rondo. And dont even mention Calderon in same sentence with Teodosic! :D

Those highlights are from last season, if you love basketball you will watch them..


1. What type of shooter is he? Consistent every game, or is he the type that just gets hot and hits 6 or 7 in a row from time to time?

2. Does he get a lot of turnovers? And does he throw flashy passes to often and in the wrong situations?

3. Is he competitive? Or is he 1 of those guys whose just really good but doesn't care a lot about winning/losing?

4. Does he play well off ball? Like running off screens and shooting like Kyle Korver does?

5. Besides the highlight / flashy passes what separates him from a guy like Calderon? What makes him so much better?
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Re: Bulls are the front runner to sign Milos Teodosic 

Post#203 » by Chi » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:41 am

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Whats awesome about his passes that they arent just flashy, they are incredibly creative and fruitful in the scenario.

I cant say I've seen passing like this before. Even Nash, who was obv better, had a different style to his playmaking where he would make super safe passes and then go for a flashy play.

This dude just does it, and I don't think these moves are predetermined but rather just reactions on the fly, which is really impressive.


Jason Williams would be proud...


Of course! How did I forget about white chocolate? For sure, has that vibe to his game.


I could see some European Pistol Pete in him too...
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Re: Bulls are the front runner to sign Milos Teodosic 

Post#204 » by TeK » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:45 am

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Re: Bulls are the front runner to sign Milos Teodosic 

Post#205 » by TeK » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:46 am

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Jason Williams would be proud...


Of course! How did I forget about white chocolate? For sure, has that vibe to his game.


I could see some European Pistol Pete in him too...


Totally. I wonder what we can actually sign him for.
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Re: Bulls are the front runner to sign Milos Teodosic 

Post#206 » by League Circles » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:52 am

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League Circles wrote:This just works:

5: Lopez, Felicio, #16
4: Niko, Portis
3: Butler, room MLE, Zipser
2: Teodosic, Wade, Valentine
1: Rondo, Grant, Canaan, Pain


First off, Niko needs to leave. He needs a change of scenery. He will be addition by subtraction.

I don't think we should be looking C at 16. SG or SF who can shoot 3s is what we need here.

Teo would not play SG. Give the keys to Butler and put him back at his position. Wade off the bench.

Teo would be backing up Rondo and would eventually hopefully start.

Grant and Canaan need to be playing for Hoffman Estates.

Like hell Niko needs to leave or would be addition by subtraction. He's a positive impact player amd our best player with Jimmy. They dominated on the court together. It's a fact.
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Re: Bulls are the front runner to sign Milos Teodosic 

Post#207 » by TeK » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 am

League Circles wrote::evil:
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League Circles wrote:This just works:

5: Lopez, Felicio, #16
4: Niko, Portis
3: Butler, room MLE, Zipser
2: Teodosic, Wade, Valentine
1: Rondo, Grant, Canaan, Pain


First off, Niko needs to leave. He needs a change of scenery. He will be addition by subtraction.

I don't think we should be looking C at 16. SG or SF who can shoot 3s is what we need here.

Teo would not play SG. Give the keys to Butler and put him back at his position. Wade off the bench.

Teo would be backing up Rondo and would eventually hopefully start.

Grant and Canaan need to be playing for Hoffman Estates.

Like hell Niko needs to leave or would be addition by subtraction. He's a positive impact player amd our best player with Jimmy. They dominated on the court together. It's a fact.


What about the first half of last season? Niko was very poor from 3. Frustrating and poor.

We need a REAL stretch four who can actually muscle ppl up but still knock down a corner shot to then open up the lanes. Teams don't respect Niko. Im not even convinced Niko is a PF. I'd take Taj starting over Niko. Niko is scared.
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Post#208 » by ThreeMileAllan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:04 am

League Circles wrote:This just works:

5: Lopez, Felicio, #16
4: Niko, Portis
3: Butler, room MLE, Zipser
2: Teodosic, Wade, Valentine
1: Rondo, Grant, Canaan, Pain

I love this lineup. Although my bench unit would be different.

Starters:
Lopez
Niko
Butler
Milos
Rondo

Bench:
Portis
Zipser
Valentine
Wade
Grant

Or BiG bench
Felicio/MLE
Portis
Zipser
Wade
Valentine

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Re: Bulls are the front runner to sign Milos Teodosic 

Post#209 » by erlim » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:08 am

I'm for the keep Jimmy camp. I feel like the one and only, but if we do something like

Teodosic
Wade
Buckets
Millsap
Rolo

Could earn us the right to be murder thrashed by the Warriors if we really really overachieve.
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Post#210 » by BigUps » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:29 am

EuropeanBball wrote:As McRotic wrote, big thing about Teodosic and his game in NBA will be on coach. How coach will use him, how much Teodosic will play and with which player on the floor etc Thats why i wrote that Spurs or Jazz will be probably best fit for him with their ball sharing (altrough Spurs this year are playing much more iso-ball) + Messina and Quin Snyder know him much better than any other coaches around the league.

Yeah, Denver is another team that could be great fit, they are playing fast, offensive, creative basketball with a lot ball sharing and they anyway dont play defense... :D

If you are concerned about number of games in NBA, he played 60+ games (Euroleague, VTB league and Russian cup) with CSKA this year...there is clear difference between 60 and 82, but it not like he was playing 10 games per year until now.


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Post#211 » by EuropeanBball » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:43 am

Chi wrote:1. What type of shooter is he? Consistent every game, or is he the type that just gets hot and hits 6 or 7 in a row from time to time?

2. Does he get a lot of turnovers? And does he throw flashy passes to often and in the wrong situations?

3. Is he competitive? Or is he 1 of those guys whose just really good but doesn't care a lot about winning/losing?

4. Does he play well off ball? Like running off screens and shooting like Kyle Korver does?

5. Besides the highlight / flashy passes what separates him from a guy like Calderon? What makes him so much better?


1. Well, sometimes he shoots 2/7 for 3, sometimes 6/10, but youll never seen him shooting like 0/8 for 3. He isnt streaky shooter, but neither is most consistent. Its depends on how hard shoots he took, is he open or not etc When someone is shooting 7 3s per game with 38% that tells something for itself..for example if he miss first 3 shoots in the game he will likely shoot less shots, if he is on fire he will shoot more. Dont know if i explain this correct.

2. 3 per game this year...and he is having about 7 assists per game (27 minutes per game) in Euroleague. Hint: Assists are counting different than in NBA, when you pass player who makes 3 dribbles and score it isnt assist. :D Basically, 7 assists in Europe is something like 10+ in NBA, so considering number of assists and fact that he is main ball handler in team, number of turnovers isnt high.

About flashy passes...when you look them, almost every situation is wrong, literally. Many passes looks imposible so i dont know how to answer on this question.

3. He is competitive as hell, basically in Europe its much more about competition, every loss is like death (off topic - for someones in Europe loss is literally death :lol: , this **** hapened in Greek week or two ago )
and Teodosic is one of the most competitive guys there, anyone who watches Euroleague can confirm that. Is that good or bad...dont know.

4. He is playing well off ball, but im not sure how running off screens would work in NBA because he is not fastest and strongest guy and NBA is more physical than Euroleague...i am sceptical about translating his off ball game to the NBA.

5. He is better scorer than him, much more agressive attacker. Jose was very efiicient in offense, but he was shooting "easy shoots" if you understand me. He didnt took risk in offense. For example. maybe Joe Ingles shoots 45% from 3 and Curry is shooting about 40%, but everybody know that Curry is 10x better shooter. Also, court vision that Teodosic possess is simply out of the world, Calderon is (was) very good passer, but Teodosic is on other level.
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Post#212 » by Chi » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:56 am

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Chi wrote:1. What type of shooter is he? Consistent every game, or is he the type that just gets hot and hits 6 or 7 in a row from time to time?

2. Does he get a lot of turnovers? And does he throw flashy passes to often and in the wrong situations?

3. Is he competitive? Or is he 1 of those guys whose just really good but doesn't care a lot about winning/losing?

4. Does he play well off ball? Like running off screens and shooting like Kyle Korver does?

5. Besides the highlight / flashy passes what separates him from a guy like Calderon? What makes him so much better?


1. Well, sometimes he shoots 2/7 for 3, sometimes 6/10, but youll never seen him shooting like 0/8 for 3. He isnt streaky shooter, but neither is most consistent. Its depends on how hard shoots he took, is he open or not etc When someone is shooting 7 3s per game with 38% that tells something for itself..for example if he miss first 3 shoots in the game he will likely shoot less shots, if he is on fire he will shoot more. Dont know if i explain this correct.

2. 3 per game this year...and he is having about 7 assists per game (27 minutes per game) in Euroleague. Hint: Assists are counting different than in NBA, when you pass player who makes 3 dribbles and score it isnt assist. :D Basically, 7 assists in Europe is something like 10+ in NBA, so considering number of assists and fact that he is main ball handler in team, number of turnovers isnt high.

About flashy passes...when you look them, almost every situation is wrong, literally. Many passes looks imposible so i dont know how to answer on this question.

3. He is competitive as hell, basically in Europe its much more about competition, every loss is like death (off topic - for someones in Europe loss is literally death :lol: , this **** hapened in Greek week or two ago )
and Teodosic is one of the most competitive guys there, anyone who watches Euroleague can confirm that. Is that good or bad...dont know.

4. He is playing well off ball, but im not sure how running off screens would work in NBA because he is not fastest and strongest guy and NBA is more physical than Euroleague...i am sceptical about translating his off ball game to the NBA.

5. He is better scorer than him, much more agressive attacker. Jose was very efiicient in offense, but he was shooting "easy shoots" if you understand me. He didnt took risk in offense. For example. maybe Joe Ingles shoots 45% from 3 and Curry is shooting about 40%, but everybody know that Curry is 10x better shooter. Also, court vision that Teodosic possess is simply out of the world, Calderon is (was) very good passer, but Teodosic is on other level.


Thank you... Very well explained... I understood all of it...

He sounds like he has a pretty high IQ as well. I don't think I mind adding him to the squad, seems like a good fit.
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Post#213 » by Repeat 3-peat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:57 am

Hate there was 1 report, and have heard nothing else about this.

Wasn't there a report a year or 2 ago where Chicago was looking to sign someone from overseas?
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Post#214 » by HomoSapien » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:00 am

G Buckets wrote:Hate there was 1 report, and have heard nothing else about this.

Wasn't there a report a year or 2 ago where Chicago was looking to sign someone from overseas?


There was a rumor we were interested in Sergio Rodriguez before he decided to return to the NBA.
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Post#215 » by Repeat 3-peat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:02 am

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G Buckets wrote:Hate there was 1 report, and have heard nothing else about this.

Wasn't there a report a year or 2 ago where Chicago was looking to sign someone from overseas?


There was a rumor we were interested in Sergio Rodriguez before he decided to return to the NBA.


Yes believe it was Sergio.

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Post#216 » by The Box Office » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:17 am

League Circles wrote::evil:
TeK wrote:
League Circles wrote:This just works:

5: Lopez, Felicio, #16
4: Niko, Portis
3: Butler, room MLE, Zipser
2: Teodosic, Wade, Valentine
1: Rondo, Grant, Canaan, Pain


First off, Niko needs to leave. He needs a change of scenery. He will be addition by subtraction.

I don't think we should be looking C at 16. SG or SF who can shoot 3s is what we need here.

Teo would not play SG. Give the keys to Butler and put him back at his position. Wade off the bench.

Teo would be backing up Rondo and would eventually hopefully start.

Grant and Canaan need to be playing for Hoffman Estates.

Like hell Niko needs to leave or would be addition by subtraction. He's a positive impact player amd our best player with Jimmy. They dominated on the court together. It's a fact.


This is madness. Niko sucks. Even my 1995 Honda Civic is more consistent than him. So now he's only good when playing with Butler? LMAO. That means he sucks with Butler on the bench/injured. Holy hell man, this is the difference between us and winning organizations like Boston, Lakers, Golden State and Cleveland. For them, Niko is filler. Niko would have been traded quickly. For some of you here, he's one of our best players. Wow. GarPax, is that you posting here?
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Post#217 » by League Circles » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:41 am

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First off, Niko needs to leave. He needs a change of scenery. He will be addition by subtraction.

I don't think we should be looking C at 16. SG or SF who can shoot 3s is what we need here.

Teo would not play SG. Give the keys to Butler and put him back at his position. Wade off the bench.

Teo would be backing up Rondo and would eventually hopefully start.

Grant and Canaan need to be playing for Hoffman Estates.

Like hell Niko needs to leave or would be addition by subtraction. He's a positive impact player amd our best player with Jimmy. They dominated on the court together. It's a fact.


This is madness. Niko sucks. Even my 1995 Honda Civic is more consistent than him. So now he's only good when playing with Butler? LMAO. That means he sucks with Butler on the bench/injured. Holy hell man, this is the difference between us and winning organizations like Boston, Lakers, Golden State and Cleveland. For them, Niko is filler. Niko would have been traded quickly. For some of you here, he's one of our best players. Wow. GarPax, is that you posting here?

Who said he's only good playing with Butler? We're +8.0 pts/100 with him on vs off the court. We do well when he's out there with Rondo, Lopez, Valentine, Zipser, Butler (a dominant +12.7, our best duo). It's when you put him out there with Wade that we suck. Cause Wade ruins the game.
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Post#218 » by The Box Office » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:46 am

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Like hell Niko needs to leave or would be addition by subtraction. He's a positive impact player amd our best player with Jimmy. They dominated on the court together. It's a fact.


This is madness. Niko sucks. Even my 1995 Honda Civic is more consistent than him. So now he's only good when playing with Butler? LMAO. That means he sucks with Butler on the bench/injured. Holy hell man, this is the difference between us and winning organizations like Boston, Lakers, Golden State and Cleveland. For them, Niko is filler. Niko would have been traded quickly. For some of you here, he's one of our best players. Wow. GarPax, is that you posting here?

Who said he's only good playing with Butler? We're +8.0 pts/100 with him on vs off the court. We do well when he's out there with Rondo, Lopez, Valentine, Zipser, Butler (a dominant +12.7, our best duo). It's when you put him out there with Wade that we suck. Cause Wade ruins the game.


I see. So now Valentine and Zipser are good, too? Wow. So Niko is now reliant on Butler, Valentine, and Zipser to be good? So now Wade is responsible for Niko sucking?
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Post#219 » by ThreeMileAllan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:26 am

So if we're the frontrunner, what are the chances we actually sign this guy to a deal?

That would make me really happy tbh.
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Post#220 » by Repeat 3-peat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:50 am

Funkman7 wrote:So if we're the frontrunner, what are the chances we actually sign this guy to a deal?

That would make me really happy tbh.


If something happens I'm assuming it'll happen after the draft.
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