2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[Kerrsed]

Would you rather have Porzingis or Butler? If this is the price, I would rather have the very proven, All-NBA Butler. I think he could be had cheaper than this price also.

Porzingis easily. If you can hit 3s and block shots, that is extremely important in today's nba. His shot is unguardable. Butler is nice and a good defender, but he is 27 and doesn't have much shooting range. With our team, KP makes much more sense if we trade one of Chriss and Bender.

This is very interesting to me. I have to think Zingers market is skewing his value away from the regular base. Butler is already All-NBA. You have to think that Porzingis has a very high likelihood of being an MVP, or even an all-timer. It should be noted that Butler hit a fair amount better from 3 than Zinger did, passed far better, scored better, and defended way better. Who would you rather have playing against GSW? Still Zinger? Thats tough for me to see. I like Porzingis, it just seems like a lot of people are in a hurry to overlook his obvious flaws.

I take a Booker/Butler/FA/Griffin/Chandler lineup over inserting KP in there. Chriss' rookie numbers are very similar and in some ways better than Zingers.

Butler was also the #1 option in Chicago. KP was around 3rd (Behind Melo and the primary ball handler Rose).

[Mr Puddles]

What I find funny is that if we do the NY deal, Brandon Knight is back at starting PG lol.

Goes from the most useless to most in need on the roster.

I'm all in favor of giving Knight more minutes. Call me a doe-eyed optimist, but I think in the right situation Knight can still produce. When playing 2 guard next to Bledsoe he looked worth every penny of his contract, it wasn't until he started playing PG again that he looked like the Knightmare. I have legitimate fear that we're going to end up with a Nurkic trade otherwise: pay extra to get rid of a player, only to watch him flourish in a new situation.

Promise Knight a spot in the starting line-up but run the offense through Booker/Ulis and see if we can revive a some semblance of value playing BK off ball.

[AtheJ415]

Blake is a perfect point forward. He was amazing against the Spurs in that playoff series when CP3 was out. Beverly would be a great compliment. Fun squad.

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No to Bev for me. Just draft Evans in the 2nd round and go into the season with Ulis, Knight, Evans. Bev is a great defender but he just isn't all that good overall.

One year of Beverly at $5.5 million sounds pretty good to me as a veteran stop gap. Decent shooter. Good defender.

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Why do we need a stopgap?

I keep reading about people who want Milsap or want some other vet who would do nothing but help us win in the short run with 0 chance of making a dent as a contender. All that ultimately does is hurt us in the tank race while eliminating minutes from the young guys.

Pick a direction and stick with it. Stop gaps are not helpful and go against the long-term interest. Bev probably costs us our top 2nd rounder. Give me Evans with about a decade of control on a rookie scale over Bev for 1 year and then having to pay full market price to keep.

For those who say, "look what tanking got us this year" just because the lottery fell against us. Well, if not for our 2nd best odds heading in, a team or 2 jumping us would have knocked us out of the top 4, which knocks us out of the running for Porzingis. It does matter.

[bwoolf2]

One other question in this KP saga, I see a lot of people keep adding assets on our side to make it happen, why? From everything I hear NY initiated the talks and who are we bidding against and what are they offering? I dont think many teams if any can offer a better package then bledsoe #4, and two more 1sts. not even sure it needs to be two. I would want to get a better idea of who else is in play and what they are offering before I go putting Chriss Bender and Warren in the pot.

[SkinnyOMiller]

No to Bev for me. Just draft Evans in the 2nd round and go into the season with Ulis, Knight, Evans. Bev is a great defender but he just isn't all that good overall.

One year of Beverly at $5.5 million sounds pretty good to me as a veteran stop gap. Decent shooter. Good defender.

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Why do we need a stopgap?

I keep reading about people who want Milsap or want some other vet who would do nothing but help us win in the short run with 0 chance of making a dent as a contender. All that ultimately does is hurt us in the tank race while eliminating minutes from the young guys.

Pick a direction and stick with it. Stop gaps are not helpful and go against the long-term interest. Bev probably costs us our top 2nd rounder. Give me Evans with about a decade of control on a rookie scale over Bev for 1 year and then having to pay full market price to keep.

For those who say, "look what tanking got us this year" just because the lottery fell against us. Well, if not for our 2nd best odds heading in, a team or 2 jumping us would have knocked us out of the top 4, which knocks us out of the running for Porzingis. It does matter.

Thank you. I don't want any aging or so stopgap players. If the Suns somehow acquired KP, then build the roster around him, Booker and hopefully one of Bender or Chriss. Throw Ulis on a regular rotation at PG, show off Knight to see if you can get something decent back for him in a trade. Wait until you get some capspace from Chandler and Knight being completely off the books and bring in a max level player to join up with KP and Booker while continuing to draft well.

[AtheJ415]

Some of this is mindboggling to me. In an open draft for this team, given our age and contention status, you could make a legitimate argument that only Giannis and maybe Towns are the guys you would pick before Kristaps. He is that good. His upside is that high. You do not pass him up for Butler or George given their ages and our team makeup, and you don't refuse to include guys like Chriss. You do what it takes short of including Booker.

[Zelaznyrules]

Porzingis easily. If you can hit 3s and block shots, that is extremely important in today's nba. His shot is unguardable. Butler is nice and a good defender, but he is 27 and doesn't have much shooting range. With our team, KP makes much more sense if we trade one of Chriss and Bender.

This is very interesting to me. I have to think Zingers market is skewing his value away from the regular base. Butler is already All-NBA. You have to think that Porzingis has a very high likelihood of being an MVP, or even an all-timer. It should be noted that Butler hit a fair amount better from 3 than Zinger did, passed far better, scored better, and defended way better. Who would you rather have playing against GSW? Still Zinger? Thats tough for me to see. I like Porzingis, it just seems like a lot of people are in a hurry to overlook his obvious flaws.

I take a Booker/Butler/FA/Griffin/Chandler lineup over inserting KP in there. Chriss' rookie numbers are very similar and in some ways better than Zingers.

No. You don't. All you have to do is look at the age of the rest of our roster, the current makeup of the other contenders (GSW, for instance, who are the greatest team of all time), and logically proceed to gauge what gives us the longest and best window for contending. That is EASILY with 21 year old Kristaps.

Also, Butler is 27. Kristaps with 6 years of improvement could easily best him. Look at Kristaps's numbers at 21 v. Butler's. They are not even close (in favor of Kristaps).

Some people are challenging the idea that you need all your players to be roughly the same age and they are right. But it isn't really about their age now, it's the age everyone will be when our young guys truly come of age. I'd be fine with adding a 31 year old Butler to play with a core of 25 year olds because those guys would be at or near their NBA peak. But adding a veteran stud to play alongside players that are still more liability than asset makes no sense. It would infuriate someone like Butler and he'd likely be long gone by the time our guys finally learn which way is up.

[RaisingArizona]

Some of this is mindboggling to me. In an open draft for this team, given our age and contention status, you could make a legitimate argument that only Giannis and maybe Towns are the guys you would pick before Kristaps. He is that good. His upside is that high. You do not pass him up for Butler or George given their ages and our team makeup, and you don't refuse to include guys like Chriss. You do what it takes short of including Booker.

Agreed but I'd like to keep Chriss if possible. I'd throw in Miami picks instead of him. I am really high on him.

[AtheJ415]

One other question in this KP saga, I see a lot of people keep adding assets on our side to make it happen, why? From everything I hear NY initiated the talks and who are we bidding against and what are they offering? I dont think many teams if any can offer a better package then bledsoe #4, and two more 1sts. not even sure it needs to be two. I would want to get a better idea of who else is in play and what they are offering before I go putting Chriss Bender and Warren in the pot.

28 teams called about him. 28. Apparently they aren't worried about the long history of 7'3" superstars falling apart.

Obviously you don't include more than is required to get him and what we are proposing in all likelihood is more than ends up being traded, but at the end of the day we should be willing to do anything short of including Booker to make Phil pull the trigger.

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hmm that doesnt sound as promising to me

Sounds even more promising to me.

We all have been led to believe that its Jackson he is after, and Boston could guarantee Jackson with the 3rd pick, but if he is saying a top 5 pick, maybe he is just like a lot of the GM's in thinking that the Jackson/Tatum/Isaac/Fox tier is too close to call and would be fine with any of them.

What I'm intrigued by are the recent reports that the Knicks love Markkanen and they also recently met with Zach Collins and liked him too.

They can easily get Markannen and Collins with our #4 pick and their own pick.

So even if Danny Ainge decides to be a pain in the ass and take Jackson, we might be alright.

[jredsaz]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/latest-on-kristaps-porzingis-knicks.html

Said a couple things. Knicks have had substantive talks with two teams AND the Suns. Why they were singled out is interesting.

Second, Jackson intimated on a radio interview that NYK is looking for two starters and a top 5 pick. Sounds like the price is coming down from earlier reports that had the asking price at a Booker + #4 (youg player on a star track + top five pick).

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[jredsaz]

No to Bev for me. Just draft Evans in the 2nd round and go into the season with Ulis, Knight, Evans. Bev is a great defender but he just isn't all that good overall.

One year of Beverly at $5.5 million sounds pretty good to me as a veteran stop gap. Decent shooter. Good defender.

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Why do we need a stopgap?

I keep reading about people who want Milsap or want some other vet who would do nothing but help us win in the short run with 0 chance of making a dent as a contender. All that ultimately does is hurt us in the tank race while eliminating minutes from the young guys.

Pick a direction and stick with it. Stop gaps are not helpful and go against the long-term interest. Bev probably costs us our top 2nd rounder. Give me Evans with about a decade of control on a rookie scale over Bev for 1 year and then having to pay full market price to keep.

For those who say, "look what tanking got us this year" just because the lottery fell against us. Well, if not for our 2nd best odds heading in, a team or 2 jumping us would have knocked us out of the top 4, which knocks us out of the running for Porzingis. It does matter.

At some point you have to start winning.

And I wouldn't trade #32 for Bev either.

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[JS22]

If somehow Jackson is on the board at #4 do you make a Chriss, Jackson, and probably another future 1st for Porzingis deal?

I'm buying into the KP hype but that deal would make me nervous.

[jredsaz]

If somehow Jackson is on the board at #4 do you make a Chriss, Jackson, and probably another future 1st for Porzingis deal?

I'm buying into the KP hype but that deal would make me nervous.

It's a lot to give up but KP is that legit. Booker and Zing are arguably as good of a 1/2 punch as there is to build around for the next 10 years.

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[SkinnyOMiller]

One year of Beverly at $5.5 million sounds pretty good to me as a veteran stop gap. Decent shooter. Good defender.

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Why do we need a stopgap?

I keep reading about people who want Milsap or want some other vet who would do nothing but help us win in the short run with 0 chance of making a dent as a contender. All that ultimately does is hurt us in the tank race while eliminating minutes from the young guys.

Pick a direction and stick with it. Stop gaps are not helpful and go against the long-term interest. Bev probably costs us our top 2nd rounder. Give me Evans with about a decade of control on a rookie scale over Bev for 1 year and then having to pay full market price to keep.

For those who say, "look what tanking got us this year" just because the lottery fell against us. Well, if not for our 2nd best odds heading in, a team or 2 jumping us would have knocked us out of the top 4, which knocks us out of the running for Porzingis. It does matter.

At some point you have to start winning.

And I wouldn't trade #32 for Bev either.

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Depends on if you consider winning being the #6-8 seed in perpetuity. I am fine with the Suns taking their time and building a roster properly ala Golden State, developing their young guys rather than settling for average veterans.


If they are going to pursue someone in FA I want it to be a legit star, not an aging veteran who will eat minutes that could go to a younger player.

[bwoolf2]

One other question in this KP saga, I see a lot of people keep adding assets on our side to make it happen, why? From everything I hear NY initiated the talks and who are we bidding against and what are they offering? I dont think many teams if any can offer a better package then bledsoe #4, and two more 1sts. not even sure it needs to be two. I would want to get a better idea of who else is in play and what they are offering before I go putting Chriss Bender and Warren in the pot.

28 teams called about him. 28. Apparently they aren't worried about the long history of 7'3" superstars falling apart.

Obviously you don't include more than is required to get him and what we are proposing in all likelihood is more than ends up being traded, but at the end of the day we should be willing to do anything short of including Booker to make Phil pull the trigger.

28, not sure where you got that info, and great lets assume it was what were the amazing packages they were offering? Im just not eager to start trading away everything and everyone and if we do and this does happen he better be the 2nd coming himself.

[jredsaz]

Why do we need a stopgap?

I keep reading about people who want Milsap or want some other vet who would do nothing but help us win in the short run with 0 chance of making a dent as a contender. All that ultimately does is hurt us in the tank race while eliminating minutes from the young guys.

Pick a direction and stick with it. Stop gaps are not helpful and go against the long-term interest. Bev probably costs us our top 2nd rounder. Give me Evans with about a decade of control on a rookie scale over Bev for 1 year and then having to pay full market price to keep.

For those who say, "look what tanking got us this year" just because the lottery fell against us. Well, if not for our 2nd best odds heading in, a team or 2 jumping us would have knocked us out of the top 4, which knocks us out of the running for Porzingis. It does matter.

At some point you have to start winning.

And I wouldn't trade #32 for Bev either.

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Depends on if you consider winning being the #6-8 seed in perpetuity. I am fine with the Suns taking their time and building a roster properly ala Golden State, developing their young guys rather than settling for average veterans.


If they are going to pursue someone in FA I want it to be a legit star, not an aging veteran who will eat minutes that could go to a younger player.

This will be McDs sixth lottery selection. His fourth top 10 selection and his third top 5 selection. How many more top 10 picks do we need?

Steph and the Warriors had 47 wins in his third season in the NBA.


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[Kerrsed]

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[Kerrsed]

If 28 teams did call, and there are 30 teams in the league, and of course the Knicks didnt call themselves, who was the one team that didnt call?

[SkinnyOMiller]

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