Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II

[Billy Goat]

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Carmelo Anthony

[god shammgod]

no matter what happens, nobody can deny that this is an absolute sh*t show. huh. wow. i start laughing when i think about what a mess this is.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I think booker is as intriguing a SG as there is in the NBA right now

I really like Tatum or Jackson at 4

I think we could get Bender too

I still don't make that trade

The only way I consider it is if all those pieces come with Bledsoe and we send no significant player back.

Basically send Lee and Thomas and KP for Bledsoe, bender, booker snd #4

That's fair value

I'd still probably not do it

Knicks interested in Marquese Chriss as well.

[Clyde Frazier]

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Good times!

[3toheadmelo]

adios phil

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[NBA Fan 1234]

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Good times!

They were the worst of times, and they were the worst of times.

[Mecca]

I would personally take Booker and 4 for KP.

Hear me out:

- I personally have eyebrows raised at KP's health. A kid that is 7'3 with his frame is bound to get nicked up. We all know how bigs fair with their feet/back. KP has missed 27 games in 2 years as a Knick already.

- Booker, Jackson, Ntlikina, and Hernangomez is a VERY nice core, plus we'd likely have another top 10 pick next season.

- Part of me worries that KP is destined to become an ELITE #2 option. In the very same breath, I believe Booker's skill set and aggressiveness lead me to believe he's going to be a go to scorer for the next decade.

[god shammgod]

i don't know that this strategy of "scaring" kp is gonna work. scare him of what exactly ? he might get traded from a horrible team that's also dysfunctional ? that's some serious hubris on phil's part if he thinks that. this is just gonna make the rift between them so much worse.

[Fury]

no matter what happens, nobody can deny that this is an absolute sh*t show. huh. wow. i start laughing when i think about what a mess this is.

Maybe this kind of laugh

[levendis]

(Snipped because quote was all messed up.)

Noah's contract is beyond awful - it's the worst or second worst in the entire NBA. On top of that, there was no need for him with the front court we had.

He's acquired players in an attempt to make the playoffs, only to fail because either they're always hurt, they suck, or they don't fit. He traded away RoLo for **** and got horrible value in the previous deals before that. That cannot be overlooked.

I don't think it's noise as all - if KP is legitimately annoyed, and players already don't want to sign here, we're ****. The fact that he went on TV to reduce the value of Melo (after already doing so through Rosen and Twitter) and then goes on TV to complain about KP and alienate our future shows that he's an immature twat who doesn't know what he's doing (especially when you take into account everything he's done). The tweeting and callin players out IS important because it's a players league. If players don't want to play here because they don't like Phil, we're ****.

Yeah, Thomas was very bad, but that doesn't excuse Phil one bit for being a **** FO executive either.

I agree Phil has been bad. And yes the rolo trade was bad and that worries me that he'll get a crap return. But listen to what I'm arguing. Franchise damaging is was Sean Marks inherited from the Nets. No picks, no stars, etc. If Phil was fired and was replaced with Someone more competent, are you going to tell me that we wouldn't be in a good spot? We'd probably be in the best position we have been in over a decade honestly.
What you're saying isn't wrong. But I don't think it's as big of a deal as you think. No one was coming to this team anyway. Who was signing here before Phil came here? We're going to have to win games to get players to sign period. Phil isn't here forever, all this **** will be forgotten once he leaves. It's more of a stain on him than the Knicks.

I'm saying if Phil were fired, we would be in a better spot because of KP, not because of anything Phil did - Phil's crippling moves and half-assing tanks will **** whoever comes next, if it happens before the deals run out.

Yeah, we need to win games, but if players are not coming to the Knicks specifically because of Phil, that is an issue.

We would be in a better spot because of a player he drafted though. He gets credit for KP and whatever package he gets for him. People wanted Mudiay or Winslow so it was far from a slam dunk to draft him. He drafted KP, Willy, kept the picks, so he gets credit for that, period.

Yes it is, but that issue goes away once his contract expires, so it's not a franchise crippling problem. Besides there weren't many players coming anyway. If it means missing out on guys like Greg Monroe who cares

[NoLayupRule]

I think booker is as intriguing a SG as there is in the NBA right now

I really like Tatum or Jackson at 4

I think we could get Bender too

I still don't make that trade

The only way I consider it is if all those pieces come with Bledsoe and we send no significant player back.

Basically send Lee and Thomas and KP for Bledsoe, bender, booker snd #4

That's fair value

I'd still probably not do it

Knicks interested in Marquese Chriss as well.

Chriss seems very average to me

[Jstock12]

I think booker is as intriguing a SG as there is in the NBA right now

I really like Tatum or Jackson at 4

I think we could get Bender too

I still don't make that trade

The only way I consider it is if all those pieces come with Bledsoe and we send no significant player back.

Basically send Lee and Thomas and KP for Bledsoe, bender, booker snd #4

That's fair value

I'd still probably not do it

Knicks interested in Marquese Chriss as well.

Chriss seems very average to me

Terrence Jones 2.0

[JustinCredible]

What would Knicks fans think of:

Jabari Parker, Thon Maker, two 1st round picks, Greg Monroe

For

KP and Noah

[NBA Fan 1234]

I agree Phil has been bad. And yes the rolo trade was bad and that worries me that he'll get a crap return. But listen to what I'm arguing. Franchise damaging is was Sean Marks inherited from the Nets. No picks, no stars, etc. If Phil was fired and was replaced with Someone more competent, are you going to tell me that we wouldn't be in a good spot? We'd probably be in the best position we have been in over a decade honestly.
What you're saying isn't wrong. But I don't think it's as big of a deal as you think. No one was coming to this team anyway. Who was signing here before Phil came here? We're going to have to win games to get players to sign period. Phil isn't here forever, all this **** will be forgotten once he leaves. It's more of a stain on him than the Knicks.

I'm saying if Phil were fired, we would be in a better spot because of KP, not because of anything Phil did - Phil's crippling moves and half-assing tanks will **** whoever comes next, if it happens before the deals run out.

Yeah, we need to win games, but if players are not coming to the Knicks specifically because of Phil, that is an issue.

We would be in a better spot because of a player he drafted though. He gets credit for KP and whatever package he gets for him. People wanted Mudiay or Winslow so it was far from a slam dunk to draft him. He drafted KP, Willy, kept the picks, so he gets credit for that, period.

Yes it is, but that issue goes away once his contract expires, so it's not a franchise crippling problem. Besides there weren't many players coming anyway. If it means missing out on guys like Greg Monroe who cares

He gets no credit for keeping picks, because that's what GMs are supposed to do. KP was a guaranteed top 5 pick anyway, so no credit there. Willy he gets credit for.

I'm not talking about Monroe, I'm talking about the multiple reports saying that nobody wants to come to NY because of Phil.


Anyways, you and I don't see eye to eye on this (and that's ok). Agree to disagree, dude.

[Jstock12]

What would Knicks fans think of:

Jabari Parker, Thon Maker, two 1st round picks, Greg Monroe

For

KP and Noah

Damn, Giannis + KP would be a ridiculous duo.

[god shammgod]

also, lol at us being desperate to get in the top 5 when we were there and just had to lose a few more games.

[robillionaire]

What would Knicks fans think of:

Jabari Parker, Thon Maker, two 1st round picks, Greg Monroe

For

KP and Noah

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[NBA Fan 1234]

What would Knicks fans think of:

Jabari Parker, Thon Maker, two 1st round picks, Greg Monroe

For

KP and Noah

Abso - **** - lutely no.

[Billy Goat]

I'm saying if Phil were fired, we would be in a better spot because of KP, not because of anything Phil did - Phil's crippling moves and half-assing tanks will **** whoever comes next, if it happens before the deals run out.

Yeah, we need to win games, but if players are not coming to the Knicks specifically because of Phil, that is an issue.

We would be in a better spot because of a player he drafted though. He gets credit for KP and whatever package he gets for him. People wanted Mudiay or Winslow so it was far from a slam dunk to draft him. He drafted KP, Willy, kept the picks, so he gets credit for that, period.

Yes it is, but that issue goes away once his contract expires, so it's not a franchise crippling problem. Besides there weren't many players coming anyway. If it means missing out on guys like Greg Monroe who cares

He gets no credit for keeping picks, because that's what GMs are supposed to do. KP was a guaranteed top 5 pick anyway, so no credit there. Willy he gets credit for.

I'm not talking about Monroe, I'm talking about the multiple reports saying that nobody wants to come to NY because of Phil.

Which players specifically? Carmelo wants to be here- does that count?

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