2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[machu46]

I think Leaf has far greater potential in the NBA than Lydon given that he's far more of an athlete.

In what way is he "far more" of an athlete? Lydon showed up to the combine with the highest body fat % and still basically matched all of Leaf's numbers.

No step vert:
Leaf: 29
Lydon: 29.5

Max vert:
Leaf: 34.5
Lydon: 33.5

Lane Agility:
Leaf: 11.55
Lydon: 11.68

Shuttle Run:
Leaf: 3.27
Lydon: 2.81

Full Court Sprint:
Leaf: 3.27
Lydon: 3.46

I don't really think combine numbers mean a whole lot, but Leaf's athletic ability combined with his ability to put it on the floor make him more versatile than Lydon.

Lydon is pretty one-dimensional, in my opinion.

I mean, it's not like Lydon didn't show athleticism at Syracuse.

We'll see with Leaf. Where you and I seem to disagree on him is that I don't think his ball-handling will create anything for himself in the NBA; I think he's too slow for the moves he showed in college.

To me, both of these guys' value will ultimately come from their ability to stretch the floor and make smart cuts for put-backs and stuff like that. Lydon projects to be a better floor-stretcher IMO and he's more than capable of making those cuts.

[SirChurros]

In what way is he "far more" of an athlete? Lydon showed up to the combine with the highest body fat % and still basically matched all of Leaf's numbers.

No step vert:
Leaf: 29
Lydon: 29.5

Max vert:
Leaf: 34.5
Lydon: 33.5

Lane Agility:
Leaf: 11.55
Lydon: 11.68

Shuttle Run:
Leaf: 3.27
Lydon: 2.81

Full Court Sprint:
Leaf: 3.27
Lydon: 3.46

I don't really think combine numbers mean a whole lot, but Leaf's athletic ability combined with his ability to put it on the floor make him more versatile than Lydon.

Lydon is pretty one-dimensional, in my opinion.

I mean, it's not like Lydon didn't show athleticism at Syracuse.

We'll see with Leaf. Where you and I seem to disagree on him is that I don't think his ball-handling will create anything for himself in the NBA; I think he's too slow for the moves he showed in college.

To me, both of these guys' value will ultimately come from their ability to stretch the floor and make smart cuts for put-backs and stuff like that. Lydon projects to be a better floor-stretcher IMO and he's more than capable of making those cuts.

Fair enough, you very well could be right (and I agree that Lydon projects as a better floor-stretcher based on what we've seen).

[machu46]

Basketball Insiders reporting we made a promise to BAM

Link?

Edit: Thanks M-C-G

[M-C-G]

Basketball Insiders reporting we made a promise to BAM

Sounds like total speculation

Edrice "Bam" Adebayo was one of the surprise invites to the 2017 NBA Draft “Green Room” which usually indicates a player is going to be drafted fairly high. Word in NBA circles is not only did Bam receive a promise, but that promise may also have come from the Milwaukee Bucks with the 17th pick.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Bam would be a bit disappointing.

i think i'd be happy with it. i think he'll be tougher as he matures....and this team needs toughness.

If you want real toughness just take Jordan Bell instead. Better defender and shot blocker too.

I'm higher on Bell than most..... Taking him at 17 might be viewed as a stretch...but F that. Take the player you want when your pick comes up.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Basketball Insiders reporting we made a promise to BAM

Link?

Edit: Thanks M-C-G

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[machu46]

I know a ton of people are down on Allen, and I am one of them, but this would seem to differentiate him from Henson at least...

The size is there. The potential is there. I worry about the shooting (56 percent from the free-throw line in college) and the lack of offensive tools. But a college coach who recruited Allen raved to me about his focus and work ethic. He's not the type of kid who will get in trouble, instead just staying in the gym and working on his game. At the very least he can be an intimidating, explosive low-post presence. That's a pretty nice floor.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2017-back-to-the-future-with-lonzo-to-lakers-and-tatum-to-celtics/

[skones]

I think BAM! has a lot more offensive potential than people are giving him credit for. 65% from the line ain't too shabby for a C, and he's shown decent mechanics on his jumper. I see of him as less of a poor man's Dwight and more of a rich man's Montrezl Harrell.

I don't think he has anywhere near the motor Harrell has or the willingness to simply be that energy defender/rebounder. That's my concern with him, that he tries to be a square peg in a round hole and not making the progression in the areas he should be given his tools. It's the single biggest difference between Anigbogu and him. While Bam is more talented. I think Anigbogu has the higher likelihood of maximizing and playing the "right way."

[skones]

I know a ton of people are down on Allen, and I am one of them, but this would seem to differentiate him from Henson at least...

The size is there. The potential is there. I worry about the shooting (56 percent from the free-throw line in college) and the lack of offensive tools. But a college coach who recruited Allen raved to me about his focus and work ethic. He's not the type of kid who will get in trouble, instead just staying in the gym and working on his game. At the very least he can be an intimidating, explosive low-post presence. That's a pretty nice floor.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2017-back-to-the-future-with-lonzo-to-lakers-and-tatum-to-celtics/

As I stated earlier in these draft threads, the question with him is whether it's laziness or just a shyness that he grows out of as he matures. The feather in his cap is the dramatic increase in production he experienced down the stretch, even if it came with a heavy increase in minutes.

[Swan Vox]

I like that Bam can move his feet well, seems like a good fit for our defense. I have questions about how he sees himself. Seems like he may not have a realistic self concept & may try to shoot too much. He'd be great as an athletic garbage big man if he'd embrace the role.

[BucksFanSD]

Ford just dropped his Mock 8.0. Do any of you know who he has the Bucks taking?

The guy I mentioned two days ago I think we end up taking - BAM.

He's the similar version of the player we wanted last year, but without the character issues (Deyonta Davis).

I welcome the physical presence and 39 Inch vertical.

Think Jason Caffey, but taller and with hops.

So...nothing like Jason Caffey?

That's a good thing hehe. BAM should be a bruiser at the next level though, like Caffey.

[M-C-G]

I like that Bam can move his feet well, seems like a good fit for our defense. I have questions about how he sees himself. Seems like he may not have a realistic self concept & may try to shoot too much. He'd be great as an athletic garbage big man if he'd embrace the role.

I'd rather take Lessort in the second I think...less length but likely a much better motor

[BucksFanSD]

It's finally draft day fellas!

If you're not hyped up enough already, here's your 2016 NBA Draft Theme Song you might recall.

Nostalgia of when we picked Thon last year

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[Badgerlander]

I like that Bam can move his feet well, seems like a good fit for our defense. I have questions about how he sees himself. Seems like he may not have a realistic self concept & may try to shoot too much. He'd be great as an athletic garbage big man if he'd embrace the role.

I'd rather take Lessort in the second I think...less length but likely a much better motor

exactly but at which point there is always a bruiser on the FA market so lets just grab a guy like Derrick White and hope he can be some form of McCollum

[BucksFanSD]

Bam would be a bit disappointing.

i think i'd be happy with it. i think he'll be tougher as he matures....and this team needs toughness.

I'm OK with it too.

He was ESPN's 5th ranked player coming out of high school.

As I said before, I would have been really eager to see if he improved on his rebounding and shot blocking had he stayed at a 2nd year. I'm a lot more lenient on Bigs maturing than guards. I think typically they just need more time. BAM had a great Combine in measurements and athletic testing. BAM has the tools.

[Fotis St]

Remember my Kidd GM plan ...

BAM shouts Kidd's pick ...

I hope Hammond texts Horst who to pick at #17

[M-C-G]

I think I am going to update my top 5s, with Ntilikina slipping, think I am going to add him to my board

@17
1. Donovan MItchell
2. Frank Ntilikina
Trade down
3. Ike Anigbogu
4. Frank Jackson
5. Leaf/Hartenstein

@48
1. Thornwell
2. Dorsey
3. Cam Oliver
4. Frank Mason
5. Pete Jok

[dc634]

Remember my Kidd GM plan ...

BAM shouts Kidd's pick ...

I hope Hammond texts Horst who to pick at #17

Why?

[BucksFanSD]

I don't watch a lot of college bball or anything have just been reading through profiles and stuff, but is Bam Adebayo Tristan Thompson?

I think Ike Anigbogu is a bigger version of TT in this draft. I prefer him to BAM, but I think if you can figure out which of the two of those guys is more likely to be able to hit a mid range shot consistently, they might be the better of the two.

I always was an Ike > BAM guy but I keep going back to their athletic testing and our system and I think BAM would do really well here.

BAM really did well at the Combine.

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-combine-athleticism-testing-analysis-0

Bam Adebayo, Kentucky

Out of all the big men at the combine, Adebayo probably turned in the most perspective-altering performance. He leapt like a guard, turning in a 38.5 inch max vert, and also placing among the overall top 10 at the combine in the standing vert. As a guy who already projects to primarily be a rim protector and an offensive rebounder and lob finisher, Adebayo did an excellent job of making his case as a guy who can beat his fellow big men to the ball on the offensive glass and can guard NBA centers.

Ike Anigbogu, UCLA

Despite receiving limited action as a freshman, the 18-year-old Anigbogu decided to enter the draft and hire an agent. At the combine, he didn’t fare so well, posting bottom 6 times in each of the speed and agility drills. As a guy who is also very raw in his skillset, he could certainly be in trouble. He's still a big, strong and very bouncy young big, but his lack of agility is a bit concerning.

[machu46]

DX updated their mock again.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Just going off my memory, but it seems like it's mostly identical to their previous iteration with the exception that Tyler Lydon has now jumped up to #20. I think the top 17 is completely unchanged. After that:

18. Bam
19. TJ Leaf
20. Lydon
21. Semi
22. DJ Wilson
23. Anunoby
24. Pasceniks
25. Anigbogu
26. Giles
27. Derrick White
28. Kuzma
29. Ferguson
30. Tony Bradley